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Podo2005
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or the person is feeling a tug towards a conversion of heart… you never know could be a possibility
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Layman
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So LaVeyan Satanists, according to some posters here:
Anyway, speaking from personal experience,
Traditional Roman Catholicism, with
The only real fee involved:
The annihilation of your infernal pride.***
- Don’t worship Satan
- Don’t do black magic
- Are quite nice, actually.
Anyway, speaking from personal experience,
Traditional Roman Catholicism, with
- The Latin Mass,
- Communion,
- Confession,
- Prayer,
- Fasting,
- Abstention,
- Giving Alms,
- Visiting the Sick,
- Saints,
- Archangels and
- Indulgences
The only real fee involved:
The annihilation of your infernal pride.***
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bbarrick8383
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Lol, that would make me a complete blithering idiot then because I never could stand to listen to other people talk in a classroom. I had one college class, before the semester was halfway over I had taken the chalk from the teacher and was giving the class.
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Kevin42
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How do you define good people? If good is only defined by things or qualities that are appreciated by the world, then Satanists may be good. However, if goodness has anything to do with being holy or Christ-like, then they cannot be good. If this is how you define good, then we can deduce simply from how you describe them that they are the antithesis of good.
Some of their actions may be nice, and they may act in a law-abiding manner. In fact, they are intrinsically good in that they are still made in God’s image. However, to go any further would be misguided. They are against goodness, and like all people who live in mortal sin, must be turned to God. Let us pray for that all who live in sin will be converted.
Pax et bonum.
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Blade_and_Blood
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Not all Non-Christians are evil. Not all Christians are good.
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Blade_and_Blood
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It’s not as simple as you make it seem. Believe it or not, for some people, being Satanic from the teachings of Anton LaVey is simpler.
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Kevin42
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I made no such implication, and my thoughts are certainly not that simplistic.
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Blade_and_Blood
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Thank God.
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Kevin42
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Indeed. Even people who call themselves Christian can live in opposition to God’s will. These people would not be “good” people. I myself freely admit to having lived a lifestyle I knew was in opposition to God’s will. During this period of my life, I was not a “good person”. At the same time, there are other non-Catholics who are doing their best to live by divine truth, and these people may indeed be good. All I was saying was that by your description of a Satanist as someone who “worships themselves”-they are continually violating the most important commandment and are not “good”.Thank God.
I hope that clarifies things. Peace and good!
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Imryl
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So, I have a question.
What would be worse in a Christians eye’s? Worshiping yourself, or demons?
What would be worse in a Christians eye’s? Worshiping yourself, or demons?
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Blade_and_Blood
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On one hand, worshipping demons is a big middle finger to Christianity and those who practice it. Worshipping yourself is just mere competition.
Very good question, buddy.
I respect that type of critical thinking very much.
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Kevin42
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Both are deadly derivatives of the sin of pride, and are capable of leading a soul to hell. Beyond that, no distinction is really necessary.
On further thought though, I would have to say worshiping demons is the “worse” of the two, since demons are pure evil.
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Swan
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I just want to respond because I know a little about Demonolatry, the worship of demons. The word “demon”, as being used to describe these entities, comes from the Judeo/Christian tradition. Generally, only to folks who follow J/C beleif view these entities as either demons or evil. Demonolators generally don’t believe in the J/C “God” at all, let alone as a supreme “God”. The “demons” were gods before the rise of the J/C “God” - it was the J/C “God” that said they were demons, not gods. Some Demonolators believe that the J/C “God” is just one of the many gods who got uppity and claimed to have more power and be better than all the rest. To eliminate the competition, so to speak, he said the rest were demons and not to be dealt with.
Now, I realize that this is not what you believe but if we are really going to discuss oppposing belief systems I think it is important to understand the reasoning and beliefs of the others for what they are, not simply as view through the J/C lens.
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dolphinlove
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Anything that distracts you from feeling compassion and empathy for your fellow man is the work of satan. He is the one that has inhibited your feelings towards others, he can trick us into doing such things.
The thing is, i dont think satan is going to give you a pat on the back IF you go to hell. I hope you dont get offended with me saying this, but he will probably be poking you with hit pitchfork saying ‘you were stupid for worshipping me werent you’. None of that ‘worshipping’ is going to help you down here.
satan is hate, pure evil and absolutely no compassion.
He tempts us to feel this way, every bad thought, every bad thing we do, is a temptation we have failed to pass.
You probably think im a bit of the top with what im saying, but it is true. He is pure evil, and noone deserves to spend eternity with him.
I still pray for you Imryl.
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Arnoagns
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Some of you seem to think I’m just a young person who lost his way. Quite the opposite, I found my own way, my own individual path. I know what I’m getting into, a religion. I’m not joining any groups, I’m not participating in any harmful events, I’m just living life as a Satanist.
A lot of you see Satanism as bad because of the name, but a name is just what it is, a label. But when something is labeled with what represents the epitome of evil, how can it be good? Depends on how you look at it. Some people read the bible and think Satan really wasn’t that evil of a guy, others read it and see quite the opposite. There’s tons of debates out there about it, I’m positioned at neutral. It’s hard for me to say whether he was good or bad since I believe mostly everyone in the bible was strictly fictional, aside from Jesus who was alive at some point in time.
But I think everyone in the world needs to realize that they could be wrong. There’s no saying who’s right until it’s over, there’s no such thing as a sure thing. Keep up with the questions, hope you’re having a good weekend!
P.S. Tonight I saw one of the only decent school plays there’s every been. It’s called Out Of Sight and Murder, a mystery murder play, first one I didn’t sleep through!
A lot of you see Satanism as bad because of the name, but a name is just what it is, a label. But when something is labeled with what represents the epitome of evil, how can it be good? Depends on how you look at it. Some people read the bible and think Satan really wasn’t that evil of a guy, others read it and see quite the opposite. There’s tons of debates out there about it, I’m positioned at neutral. It’s hard for me to say whether he was good or bad since I believe mostly everyone in the bible was strictly fictional, aside from Jesus who was alive at some point in time.
But I think everyone in the world needs to realize that they could be wrong. There’s no saying who’s right until it’s over, there’s no such thing as a sure thing. Keep up with the questions, hope you’re having a good weekend!
P.S. Tonight I saw one of the only decent school plays there’s every been. It’s called Out Of Sight and Murder, a mystery murder play, first one I didn’t sleep through!
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bbarrick8383
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The question was asked from a Christian’s perspective, so it was answered in a one sided way.
I kinda think that being materialistic would be part of self worship would it not? Seems to be a lot of that in this country these days.
Well, I would tend to agree with you here. You found your way all right, unfortunately it is the wrong way. There are many paths in this world, being an individual and all is great in most cases, but not this one. Running around saying it’s ok, I’m not doing anything bad, I am just a Satanist. Is kinda like saying It’s ok, I am just a heroin addict, I’m not doing anything wrong. Personally, I do not care what your “Religion” believes just because you are calling yourself a Satanist.
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Little_Mary
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Hey there Arnoagns,
Have you ever witnessed a miracle? Have you ever given God a chance to be in your life and work through you and in you?
Would you consider spending time in front of the Real Presence for an hour or so a day or at least as often as possible for a few weeks, opening your heart and mind to Jesus?
Have you considered learning about the Rosary, and possibly meditating on it once or twice?
I ask because you state in your post that you are neutral, that there’s no such thing as a sure thing, and we won’t know who’s right until it’s over. That sounds to me like you are really not judging anyone or anything, just choosing things that appeal to you personally. (??).
So, with that neutrality, why would you not explore more into the questions I have posted here (assuming, of course, you have not already done this), with the purpose of finding out “what is the big deal” with Christianity?
Peace,
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Fran65
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Often young people self identify as an extreme in an attempt to construct a clear identity and as a way of gaining attention.
I know some young people who dress and make up themselves in an extreme gothic style. They are actually decent young people who have found a way to wind others up and to discourage certain types of people from speaking to them.
One young man (12-13) turned up at mass wearing a T shirt that said ‘The Devil Rides Out’ with a lurid although not obscene or graphic illustration. I think he was disappointed when no one reacted. Another group of similar young people turned up at an youth orientated evangelical church to heckle and disrupt only to be made feel very welcome and they apparently had an enjoyable time.
I know some young people who dress and make up themselves in an extreme gothic style. They are actually decent young people who have found a way to wind others up and to discourage certain types of people from speaking to them.
One young man (12-13) turned up at mass wearing a T shirt that said ‘The Devil Rides Out’ with a lurid although not obscene or graphic illustration. I think he was disappointed when no one reacted. Another group of similar young people turned up at an youth orientated evangelical church to heckle and disrupt only to be made feel very welcome and they apparently had an enjoyable time.
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Little_Mary
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That is great! I am so happy to hear that!!
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Layman
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Quote: “But I think everyone in the world needs to realize that they could be wrong. There’s no saying who’s right until it’s over, there’s no such thing as a sure thing.”
2000 years of saints suffering for Christ, performing miracles, meeting Christ and the Virgin Mary, even in the flesh?
The small, and not so small miracles that occur in the lives of ordinary Catholics, every day?
Not a sure thing?
It’s the New Age, occultism and Satanism that’s the lie. They appeal to people’s vanity, lust for power, egotism and self-centredness.
The Devil’s project is to keep you out of Heaven. He wants you dead and damned. The means don’t matter. You can believe and do what you like, as long as it doesn’t bring you anywhere near holiness.
Imagine how amused he is at getting God’s creatures to debase themselves with ‘sex, drugs and rock and roll’, with getting people to compete in how vulgar they can become, with following pseudo-Christian religions, with causing us to worship ourselves (ha!), or even him, openly.
I recall from memory the Devil is called ‘The Accuser’ in the old Testament. He wants to point to you and say to God “You want to set these above me?”
Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to frustrate this goal.
2000 years of saints suffering for Christ, performing miracles, meeting Christ and the Virgin Mary, even in the flesh?
The small, and not so small miracles that occur in the lives of ordinary Catholics, every day?
Not a sure thing?
It’s the New Age, occultism and Satanism that’s the lie. They appeal to people’s vanity, lust for power, egotism and self-centredness.
The Devil’s project is to keep you out of Heaven. He wants you dead and damned. The means don’t matter. You can believe and do what you like, as long as it doesn’t bring you anywhere near holiness.
Imagine how amused he is at getting God’s creatures to debase themselves with ‘sex, drugs and rock and roll’, with getting people to compete in how vulgar they can become, with following pseudo-Christian religions, with causing us to worship ourselves (ha!), or even him, openly.
I recall from memory the Devil is called ‘The Accuser’ in the old Testament. He wants to point to you and say to God “You want to set these above me?”
Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to frustrate this goal.
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