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Tomster said:
Thank your for reply. Appreciated!

It is interesting that in your original post you claim to be a Satanist and, then, in your reply you state that you do not believe Satan is an entity. You sound very confused.

Consider the word Satanist. The suffix “-ist” means 1) a person who does, makes or practices; 2) a person skilled in or occupied with, an expert in; 3) an adherent of, believer in.

Are you aware that it is impossible to believe in and not to believe in someone or something at the same time?

Since you are an admitted Satanist, perhaps you can clearly define what you mean by the word Satan.
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Satanist don’t believe in an actual being called satan or lucifer. They believe in the idea of satan or lucifer. So it sounds accurate to me. (I’m not a satanist. But I’ve studied up on them.)
 
Arnoagns said:
Wow! What a lively forum :). I’ll definitely have to check by here reguarly. Well, to answer some of your questions; I was born Christian. Mother is somewhat religious and my Dad is agnostic. I’ve been reading up on theology and other religious studies since I was 9, I felt rushed, I needed to know where I was going before it was too late. I still feel that way, to a lesser degree.

And yes, the wikipedia article on LeVeyan Satanism is dead on. It’s an athiest(godless) religion that believes in the empowerment of self, it’s not better than other religions, just a different take on the whole grand scheme of things :). I just wish it was chosen a better name than Satanism, just sounds dreadful, doesn’t it?

It saddens me to hear that other Satanists have had ill conduct here in the past. I assure you, though I’m a minor, I will act maturely and converse in a respectful manner.

Hopefully I’m not getting too personal, but I’m just curious, how long have all of you been into your religion? I’ve been a Satanist for only a year now, and an athiest for 6.

It really lifts my spirits to see a large group of people devoted to their religion, really clears up your life, doesn’t it?
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My dear young friend,

Can we agree that of all the creatures who populate planet earth, we the human species are the most unique?

My reason for feeling this way, is I know of no other species that have an intellect (not simply an instinct) and a free will that allows US to decide and make our own decessions.

Why do you suppose that is?

Anxious to be enlightened:o

Have a wounderful day!

PJM m.c.
 
Hi Arnoagns,
I think that you’ll find if you believe human nature is the most important thing, that concentrating on and developing your human nature is what you are focused on and you do not believe in God or satan then you are a humanist/humanistic. Whilst in the atheist ‘camp’ it is not satanism.

LilyM has outlined why what you describe is not ‘satanism’.

It is be regarded by Catholicism as satanic as it argues against the existence of God and encourages a focus on self. Satanic or satanist both are dangerous.

You are in the right place if you want a lively discussion.
 
dzheremi said:
Prejudice, when applied to arguments such as those you’ll find in this thread, involves a pre-judgment of the facts prior to hearing all relevant information.
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I wasn’t saying everyone here was prejudiced. I was just responding to one person. Arguments saying Satanism is not a right fit or just a fairy tale are fine. Saying that just because some Satanists have been rude here in the past that this one should be cautioned to be polite is prejudice. It’s like if you meet a Muslim who is a terrorist or meet a few who are terrorists and then say you should be careful of Muslims, they tend to be terrorists.

Prejudice is not just physical. It can be anything. It can be based on your beliefs too. Wouldn’t you think people who think Jews are greedy or like Bill Donohue believes control Hollywood and the media, prejudiced? How about people who think that Muslims are due to their religion incapable of being peaceful or democratic?

Prejudice is pre-judging someone based on some characteristic. It doesn’t matter whether that characteristic is something that can be changed, it’s still prejudice. It’s worse if it can’t be changed, though.
Sorry, it doesn’t work that way. The young person who started this thread did so with a declarative statement that, like it or not, lead certain posters here to prejudge him.
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So you admit they prejudged him. That’s the definition of pre-judice. Prejudice and prejudgment mean the same thing.
If I tell you I am Christian, can I then accuse you of prejudice against me when you assume that I am at least aware of the existence of Jesus? No. This whole “I am a Satanist, but I don’t believe in Satan; it’s just a philosophy” business is just like that.
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Now you are being silly 🙂 The person I responded to didn’t assume he was aware of the existence of Jesus or anything benign. He assumed the Satanist needed to be warned that other Satanists have been rude and that he should be careful not to follow in their footsteps.
 
There seems to be a lot of confusion over the tenets of LaVeyan Satanism and theistic Satanism, despite the many posts in the earlier pages of this thread to explain the difference. I realize the thread is long but there are many informative posts that explain the philosophy of LaVeyan Satanism (what it is, why LaVey called it Satanism, etc) in the earlier pages. With all due respect, I think it would be worth your time to read them if you want to participate in this discussion without requiring a lot of repeition on the part of the folks (including myself) who posted all the preceding info. 🙂
 
jfhh said:
Now you are being silly 🙂 The person I responded to didn’t assume he was aware of the existence of Jesus or anything benign. He assumed the Satanist needed to be warned that other Satanists have been rude and that he should be careful not to follow in their footsteps.
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How do you know what I did or didn’t assume?

Once again, don’t call me prejudiced, that just isn’t the case.
 
LDNCatholic said:
How do you know what I did or didn’t assume?

Once again, don’t call me prejudiced, that just isn’t the case.
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I was going by what you said, but OK, I’ll take your word for it. You say you don’t prejudge Satanists and I believe you. I assume then you would have no problem with (if you had one) your daughter dating a Satanist just as I presume you wouldn’t have a problem with your daughter dating a black person. I assume specifically that you would judge the suitability of dating a Satanist on an individual, case by case basis, rather than blanket prejudice. But maybe religion is important to you in terms of carrying it on in your family. OK, fair enough. Then I assume that at least you would be OK with voting for a Satanist President assuming he was qualified and so forth.

Everyone knows Americans are prejudiced against certain groups. Polls show for instance that Americans don’t want to vote for Mormons and, especially, atheists. I don’t know of any poll on Satanists, but I bet Americans wouldn’t want to vote for them either. These are polls saying many Americans would under “no circumstances” vote for them based solely on their religious beliefs.

So I am glad you are trying as we all hopefully are to not be prejudiced, but I apologize for misjudging if I did, but I am still glad I brought the prejudice issue to the fore.
 
jfhh said:
I was going by what you said, but OK, I’ll take your word for it. You say you don’t prejudge Satanists and I believe you. I assume then you would have no problem with (if you had one) your daughter dating a Satanist just as I presume you wouldn’t have a problem with your daughter dating a black person. I assume specifically that you would judge the suitability of dating a Satanist on an individual, case by case basis, rather than blanket prejudice. But maybe religion is important to you in terms of carrying it on in your family. OK, fair enough. Then I assume that at least you would be OK with voting for a Satanist President assuming he was qualified and so forth.

Everyone knows Americans are prejudiced against certain groups. Polls show for instance that Americans don’t want to vote for Mormons and, especially, atheists. I don’t know of any poll on Satanists, but I bet Americans wouldn’t want to vote for them either. These are polls saying many Americans would under “no circumstances” vote for them based solely on their religious beliefs.

So I am glad you are trying as we all hopefully are to not be prejudiced, but I apologize for misjudging if I did, but I am still glad I brought the prejudice issue to the fore.
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Why do you keep on bringing up black people with this little prejudice kick? For all you know I am black.

Carrying it on in my family? I am one of the few Catholics in my immediate family. I can assure you my desire to raise my future children Catholic has nothing to do with ‘‘keeping it in the family’’

I can’t vote for your president, I am not an American.

Besides, are we talking Theistic Satanism? LeVeyan? If you want a better answer you shall have to be more specific,the two are completely different.
 
Jfhh,

I think you’re confusing prejudice and judgment, which can be dangerous.

Prejudice - making a decision before becoming aware of the relevant facts of a case or event

Judgment - a balanced weighing up of evidence preparatory to making a decision.

To be prejudice of a Satanist, I would merely have to make a decision about them without being aware of the facts of their religion.

To use judgment regarding a Satanist, once I have acquired information about their religion, is when we now enter the morally wrong or morally correct arena.

Good judgment, for a Catholic, would say that allowing one’s daughter to date an avowed Satanist (or any other religion than Catholic) would require due consideration of the persons convictions to said religion and the impending consequences of allowing such a relationship. In my particular case, and for most on this forum I would guess… good judgment is not allowing that relationship to occur. This is not prejudice, it’s judgment based on facts.

Likewise, after consideration of the presidents that ran in this election I made an informed decision using my judgment.

It’s always best to assume the best in others… in other words, assume that those you’re talking to aren’t religious bigots and racists until they give you evidence to prove otherwise. If you just assume that they’re racists and bigots it just proves that you’re prejudiced against people on here expressing their point of view.

Peace,

Col317
 
jfhh said:
I assume then you would have no problem with (if you had one) your daughter dating a Satanist just as I presume you wouldn’t have a problem with your daughter dating a black person. I assume specifically that you would judge the suitability of dating a Satanist on an individual, case by case basis, rather than blanket prejudice. But maybe religion is important to you in terms of carrying it on in your family.
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I would have a problem with my daughter (if God grants me a wife and children) dating anyone who is not Catholic for the simple reason that the disparity of cults is very difficult in a marriage. If you want a more detailed answer I suggest you read the Papal encyclicals on marriage from the last ~150 years (I can give you links if you want). They will clearly layout the Church’s views on marriage and why the Church considers marriage between a Catholic and a non-Catholic a less than ideal situation.
 
Arnoagns said:
so please, respect mine.
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I could no more respect your ‘religion’ (whether it is actual devil worship or if the master deceiver has fooled you into thinking he doesn’t exist and you’re not actually worshiping him), nor could I respect your errant choice anymore than I could respect the decision of a murderer to end your life or a rapist to commit their crime. There are some things that do not deserve respect, and there are some choices that are gravely disordered and wrong.
 
JMJ,

I think there is a subtle difference between “respect” and “believe in” that a lot of people on here overlook.

As a Catholic, I don’t “believe in” i.e. give creedance to Satan.

However, I do “respect” him in the sense that he can do harm to me if I do not believe in God and trust on his grace to keep me from harm.

Anyone agree/disagree with me? It’s not something I would expect to find in the Catechism (respecting Satan) but I would think it makes sense to know your enemies capabilities… at the same time we all know that Jesus Christ SAVES.

Col317
 
Col317 said:
However, I do “respect” him in the sense that he can do harm to me if I do not believe in God and trust on his grace to keep me from harm.
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This is one of those times where the English language doesn’t adequately convey the meaning and intent. One word has to fit many different meanings and shades of meaning. (similar times are the words love and knowledge)

I agree that one of the meanings of respect would apply here. That meaning that would apply to having respect for weather, or atomic power, or a vicious attack dog. In that meaning that you don’t necessarily highly esteem the object or subject, but know if you underestimate its power, it could do you harm. In this sense Satan should be respect - even though he’s a lowlife (putting it nicely), without the grace of God, he can do you a world of hurt.

In other words (to paraphrase Father Corapi), you wouldn’t get in a six foot circle of a vicious attack dog on a six foot leash. You respect the dog - or more accurately, you respect its teeth and jaw muscles. The devil is like a big vicious attack dog on a six foot leash. Don’t get in range (which you do when you sin).

But, in contrast the Satanists here want us to highly respect - in the sense of having a high regard or esteem - the devil and their choice to worship him. I cannot and will not do either.
 
Why does everything unnatural get compared to being black?

Being a Satanist, is not like being Black.
Being a Homosexual, is not like being Black.

Being black is natural, the immoral inflictions above are not natural.

I have no problem with black people living in my neighborhood or being on my television.
 
JMJ, I don’t ask for “high respect” I’m just asking for tolerance, do not insult my religion, please. I noticed some people are still saying I worship Satan, that I do not.

I realize Satanism did not come out of thin air, but LeVay believed that Satan, or Lucipher, or EA, or Enki, was the representation of human nature and our desires. He took it as a metaphor, rather than something literal.
 
Arnoagns said:
JMJ, I don’t ask for “high respect” I’m just asking for tolerance, do not insult my religion, please. I noticed some people are still saying I worship Satan, that I do not.

I realize Satanism did not come out of thin air, but LeVay believed that Satan, or Lucipher, or EA, or Enki, was the representation of human nature and our desires. He took it as a metaphor, rather than something literal.
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Quite frankly, I could care less about this man and what he thought. Who does he think he is anyway? Really no one. If it isn’t of Christ, I don’t need it.
 
Arnoagns said:
It’s called Satanism just because that’s the name, I’m trying really hard to be patient with you all, but come on.
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*IV. Hell, the Devil, and How to Sell Your Soul

In this essay LaVey now explains why, if he does not believe in literal concepts of gods or devils, he chose the name “Satanism” to describe his religion.

LaVey points out the Hebraic origin of the word “Satan” as a term to mean “adversary”, not only applied to a supernatural being but to any person who is your opponent. He likewise describes the mythological and literary significance of Satan in history, from the Greek Pan to the “scapegoat” used to absorb men’s sins to the co-opting of pagan deities and devils by Christianity.

LaVey’s final assessment is that as Satan and all the devils have represented man’s carnal nature made sinful, and the opposition of everything from servile god-worship to conformity, Satan as a literary and mythological figure is the ideal symbol for a religion that exalts man’s carnal and independent nature. LaVey’s view of Satan might be best compared to John Milton’s literary Satan, a proud and independent beast.*

~The Satanic Bible en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Bible
Arnoagns said:
Blade and Blood, I am a teenager buddy :P, 16 years old, in fact. I’m not asking for attention, the reason for the thread title was because I am being upfront with all of you. Not the shock factor, just honesty. I’m a nice kid, really, just get to know me :).
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😃 Ha! It’s cool. 🙂 Careful with calling me “buddy”, though; I get the impression that you people *think *I’m a guy. :rolleyes:
 
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