Help about Mary

[PeterJohn]

Background:
I’m a catholic revert. I’m the pastoral council chairman at my parish. I’ve lead apologetics classes for my parish. I’ve been in a funk lately about Marian devotions and their place in catholic culture.

Probelms:
I’m feeling like devotions to Mary are very popular these days and I am concerned that it’s to much. Is there a to much? I’m not one to pray the rosary because my mind wanders quickly wile trying to meditate on the scripture. I feel like our Catholic Church these days is full of Marian devotions, and not enough God devotion in comparison. What should be Mary’s place in my mind, in my prayer life, and in our Sunday mass? What place should Marian devotion have in catholic culture?

Also, mediatrix of all graces?
Does this mean: female mediator of ALL graces? So no graces can be granted except through Mary? If so, c’mon…

I want to sort this out in my mind so any help would be appreciated.

 

[Oneofthewomen]

I sometimes feel the same way when it comes to Mary and some of the devotions to her. I also struggle with the rosary. I wish I could offer you more than my empathy, and some encouragement, as I am sure you and I will both get some flack on this board for our feelings.

I will offer some advice, the best I have ever received,- “Pray as you can, not as you can’t. What matters is that you pray.”

I have my own special little devotion to Mary that is a little unusual. I pray the Hail Mary every time I wash my hands, and offer it for what ever intention happens to pop in my head at that moment. I work in food service, so it’s not uncommon for me to wash my hands, and pray, 50 or more times a day.

I got the idea when I was in my federal food safety training class. The instructor was talking about hand-washing, and said that if you sang “Happy Birthday” while lathering your hands, you would been following the “guidelines” for optimal safety. Well, I hate that song, always have, and said, “I can say a Hail Mary in the same amount of time, I’ll do that instead.” And thus my personalized devotion was born!

As I said, no real advice, just know you are not alone. :console:
Peace be with you on your journey.

 

[InNomineDomini]

I would strongly recommend two things.

Firstly, Gary Michuta’s work Making Sense of Mary, as it is the best modern work on basic Mariology that I’m aware of. (If you sign up for a free trial of Amazon Prime, you can read the electronic form of this book for free. See Amazon for details.)

Secondly, Dr. Lawrence Feingold’s talks on Mary over at the Association of Hebrew Catholics. (In point of fact, ALL of Dr. Feingold’s lectures are exquisite, seminary-level presentations of topics that are given in clear, highly approachable language. All talks are free of charge.)

A couple of principles to keep in mind:

(1) Mariology is a complicated subject, and, like many others aspects of Theology, only makes sense in view of the bigger picture;

(2) Devotional language–especially of past centuries–can often be hyperbolic, poetic, difficult to understand, and can often reflect a sort of spirituality that may not, in fact, be for everyone.

 

[PietroPaolo]

Remember you can never love or honor Mary more than Christ does. As long as we don’t worship Mary, which no orthodox Catholics do, then we are to offer her as much praise and honor as we can. She always points us to Christ and never distracts us from Him. It isn’t either we are praying to Mary or to Jesus, it’s BOTH/ AND. God bless.

 

[R_C]

Background:
I’m a catholic revert. I’m the pastoral council chairman at my parish. I’ve lead apologetics classes for my parish. I’ve been in a funk lately about Marian devotions and their place in catholic culture.

Probelms:
I’m feeling like devotions to Mary are very popular these days and I am concerned that it’s to much. Is there a to much? I’m not one to pray the rosary because my mind wanders quickly wile trying to meditate on the scripture. I feel like our Catholic Church these days is full of Marian devotions, and not enough God devotion in comparison. What should be Mary’s place in my mind, in my prayer life, and in our Sunday mass? What place should Marian devotion have in catholic culture?

Also, mediatrix of all graces?
Does this mean: female mediator of ALL graces? So no graces can be granted except through Mary? If so, c’mon…

I want to sort this out in my mind so any help would be appreciated.

I suggest you learn what the Ordinary and Universal Magisterium teaches on these matters, and what the Church Fathers teach. The Church is quite devoid of Marian devotion, in fact, compared with what it used to have less than a century ago.

As for: mediatrix of all graces, I suggest you speak very prudently, very very prudently. This title is employed by the Church Fathers, Church Doctors, and by the Holy Fathers, and there is an official Holy Mass offered (in the Missal of s. Pius V and John XXIII).

Although Christ is the Sole Mediator between God and Man (1 Tim. 2: 5) since He alone by His death on the Cross, fully reconciled mankind with God, this does not exclude a secondary mediatorship, subordinated to Christ (cf. Summa Theologica III 26, 1). “To unite man to God prefectively (perfective) appertains to Christ according to 2 Cor. 5: 19). Therefore Christ alone is the perfect mediator between God and man, inasmuch as He reconciled mankind with God by His death… But there is nothing to prevent others in a certain way (secundum quid) from being called mediators between God and man, insofar as they, by preparing or serving (dispositive vel ministeraliter), cooperate in uniting men to God.”

The source, then, is Jesus Christ…But Mary, as St. Bernard justly remarks, is the channel… or, if you will, the connecting portion the function of which is to join the body to the head and to transmit to the body the influences and volitions of the head …] she is the neck of Our Head, by which He communicates to His mystical body all spiritual gifts"

The Fathers called Mary the “Go-between” (mesitris, mediatrix). A prayer ascribed to St. Ephrem says of her: “After the Mediator thou art the mediatrix of the whole world” (post mediatorem mediatrix totius mundi: Oratio IV ad Deiparam. 4th lesson of the Office of the Feast).

The title Mediatrix is attached to Mary in official Church documents also, for example, in the Bull “Ineffabilis” of Pope Pius IX (1854); in the Rosary Encyclicals “Adiutricem” and "Fidentem (D 1940a) of Pope Leo XIII (1895 and (1896); in the Encyclical “Ad diem illum” of Pope St. Pius X (1904).

It has also been received into the Liturgy of the Church through the introduction in the Missale Romanum on June 8 on the Feast of Mariae Virginis omnium gratiarum Mediatricis (1921).

So, rather than saying stuff like “c’mon”, please, do try to adopt the humble stance of full assent and submission of mind and will that all Catholics are required to give to the Magisterium. Especially given that - as you state - you are tasked with leading a pastoral council and teaching apologetics, and must thus be imbued in perfect adherence to the Catholic faith.

A good starting point - besides of course the Church Fathers and the encyclicals on Our Lady written by the Holy Fathers I mention above - are books by St. Maximilian Kolbe and St. Louis de Montfort. Prayer of the Little Office of the Blessed Virgin Mary may also bring some benefits, since it brings forth references to Our Lady from Scripture and Tradition. Finally, I understand Dr. Scott Hahn has some great books on Our Lady.

And please bear in mind what the greatest teachers, theologians, and saints have always taught in unison: to Jesus through Mary.

Pax Christi tecum

 

[fred_conty]

As a starter, this should help.

Lumen Gentium
Vatican Council II, Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, 21 November 1964.
Excerpts from CHAPTER VIII: OUR LADY, from sections 60-65.
Mary’s Role in the Church

Mary’s function as mother of men in no way obscures or diminishes this unique mediation of Christ, but rather shows its power. But the Blessed Virgin’s salutary influence on men originates not in any inner necessity but in the disposition of God. It flows forth from the superabundance of the merits of Christ, rests on his mediation, depends entirely on it and draws all its power from it. It does not hinder in any way the immediate union of the faithful with Christ but on the contrary fosters it.

The predestination of the Blessed Virgin as Mother of God was associated with the incarnation of the divine word: in the designs of divine Providence she was the gracious mother of the divine Redeemer here on earth, and above all others and in a singular way the generous associate and humble handmaid of the Lord. She conceived, brought forth, and nourished Christ, she presented him to the Father in the temple, shared her Son’s sufferings as he died on the cross. Thus, in a wholly singular way she cooperated by her obedience, faith, hope and burning charity in the work of the Savior in restoring supernatural life to souls. For this reason she is a mother to us in the order of grace.

This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation.[15] By her maternal charity, she cares for the brethren of her Son, who still journey on earth surrounded by dangers and difficulties, until they are led into their blessed home. Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix.[16] This, however, is so understood that it neither takes away anything from nor adds anything to the dignity and efficacy of Christ the one Mediator.[17]

No creature could ever be counted along with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer; but just as the priesthood of Christ is shared in various ways both by his ministers and the faithful, and as the one goodness of God is radiated in different ways among his creatures, so also the unique mediation of the Redeemer does not exclude but rather gives rise to a manifold cooperation which is but a sharing in this one source.

The Church does not hesitate to profess this subordinate role of Mary, which it constantly experiences and recommends to the heartfelt attention of the faithful, so that encouraged by this maternal help they may the more closely adhere to the Mediator and Redeemer.

Mary, type or figure of the Church

By reason of the gift and role of her divine motherhood, by which she is united with her Son, the Redeemer, and with her unique graces and functions, the Blessed Virgin is also intimately united to the Church. As St. Ambrose taught, the Mother of God is a type of the Church in the order of faith, charity, and perfect union with Christ.[18] For in the mystery of the Church, which is itself rightly called mother and virgin, the Blessed Virgin stands out in eminent and singular fashion as exemplar both of virgin and mother.[19] Through her faith and obedience she gave birth on earth to the very Son of the Father, not through the knowledge of man but by the overshadowing of the Holy Spirit, in the manner of a new Eve who placed her faith, not in the serpent of old but in God’s messenger without waivering in doubt. The Son whom she brought forth is he whom God placed as the first born among many brethren (Rom. 8:29), that is, the faithful, in whose generation and formation she cooperates with a mother’s love.

The Church indeed contemplating her hidden sanctity, imitating her charity and faithfully fulfilling the Father’s will, by receiving the word of God in faith becomes herself a mother. By preaching and baptism she brings forth sons, who are conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of God, to a new and immortal life. She herself is a virgin, who keeps in its entirety and purity the faith she pledged to her spouse. Imitating the mother of her Lord, and by the power of the Holy Spirit, she keeps intact faith, firm hope and sincere charity.[20]

But while in the most Blessed Virgin the Church has already reached that perfection whereby she exists without spot or wrinkle (cf. Eph. 5:27), the faithful still strive to conquer sin and increase in holiness. And so they turn their eyes to Mary who shines forth to the whole community of the elect as the model of virtues. Devoutly meditating on her and contemplating her in the light of the Word made man, the Church reverently penetrates more deeply into the great mystery of the Incarnation and becomes more and more like her spouse. Having entered deeply into the history of salvation, Mary, in a way, unites in her person and re-echoes the most important doctrines of the faith: and when she is the subject of preaching and veneration she prompts the faithful to come to her Son, to his sacrifice and to the love of the Father. Seeking after the glory of Christ, the Church becomes more like her lofty type, and continually progresses in faith, hope and charity, seeking and doing the will of God in all things. The Church, therefore, in her apostolic work too, rightly looks to her who gave birth to Christ, who was thus conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of a virgin, in order that through the Church he could be born and increase in the hearts of the faithful. In her life the Virgin has been a model of that motherly love with which all who join in the Church’s apostolic mission for the regeneration of mankind should be animated.

 

[po18guy]

I had the “Mary problem” for years, too. But it all evaporated during a bible study lead by a Dominican priest.

Exorcists rely on the power of Mary against demons. Often the invocation of her name is a turning point in an exorcism. As we see in an excerpt from this interview with exorcist priest Fr. Pedro Barrajon:

And once it´s said it (demon’s name)?

At the end, the priest says to the demon, “Go away! Disappear!” The demon usually answers, “No, I don´t want to.” It rebels and revolts. Sometimes it says “You have no power over me. You are nothing to me.” But after a while, its resistance weakens. This usually happens after the invocation of the Holy Mother, she´s very important for that. No demon ever dares to insult her during an exorcism. Never.

Does he have more respect for Mary than for God himself?

Apparently. Otherwise no holds are barred, and everyone is insulted: the priests, everyone present, the bishops, the Pope, even Jesus Christ. But never the Virgin Mary. It´s an enigma.

 

[hadulzo]

I think individuals or groups of individuals may overemphasize Mary. When I came back to the church I was going to a weekly Our Lady of Perpetual Help Novena, I quit going to the Novena because they always focused on the Icon by the communion rail and ignored the presence of Christ in the Tabernacle. Not sure how it is elsewhere but everyone but me was Phillipino. They take OLP very seriously.

 

[EmeraldOak]

As a revert myself, I understand your struggles on this topic. I saw a program once on EWTN in which a woman was describing once how Mother Therese had taught her to say a simple prayer - “Holy Mary, Mother of God, be a mother to me”. For some reason that resonated with me and is now one of the prayers I say. I also pray the Hail Mary but have difficulty praying the rosary as a result of too many years of going to my husband’s protestant church. For some reason, it would be more logical to me to pray 10 Our Fathers and 1 Hail Mary and not the other way round. I pray for understanding in this matter. I think the rosary is a beautiful devotion and I pray that someday I will be able to pray it without any of my hang-ups & false guilt that I am putting too much emphasis on Mary. May the Holy Spirit help us.

 

[david_patrick]

hi,
i read, not so much skepticism-rather reading into your post a bit of humor…

Take a poll-that the parish mother’s of whom speak of Mary as a person, advising," Mary is thanking you for your commitment…" These may be the same mothers who have sons that are becoming priests…
Since males do not have the hips for baby delivery-the most valuable ideas and evaluations (about Mary as mother) are from mothers…second best is ask a kid…in a parish meeting, find a kid, pick her up-and introduce the kid -telling the meeting,“this is the kingdom of God”…the kid actually will be able to tell you of Mary (better than me-as i age-i quickly forget);just ask a kid…

I add, if i am correct that Mary can be thought of as a real person-i think she is like Ben Cartwright; well like the actor that played Ben Cartwrignt-(old TV show of Ponderosa);what was his name? Lorene Green…in context, Lorene Greene was a most underated actor-I think most people would agree that he and Mary sometimes don’t get enough credit…

 

[marywarfield]

Mary always takes us to Jesus. So the question of
how much is too much is a sort of impasse maybe?
Sometimes people get into the mindset that there
exists a competition between Mother and Son
but that is usually born of fear.
The best way I have found to resolve the question
is to simply ask Mary? How much devotion or love
for you is too much Mother?

 

[pianistclare]

Remember you can never love or honor Mary more than Christ does. As long as we don’t worship Mary, which no orthodox Catholics do, then we are to offer her as much praise and honor as we can. She always points us to Christ and never distracts us from Him. It isn’t either we are praying to Mary or to Jesus, it’s BOTH/ AND. God bless.

^^^^ THIS.

Well said.

Remember the wedding feast at Cana…she said
“Do whatever He tells you to do”.
All Marian devotions point to her Son.
She was truly the Mother of Our Savior.
Why wouldn’t she hold a special place in His heart? So it should be with ours.
Mary never once put herself first.
We can learn so much from her. Humility, love, loyalty, obedience.
Peace to you,
One who loves Mary, most assuredly love her Son.
pianist

 

[R_C]

I think individuals or groups of individuals may overemphasize Mary. I quit going to the Novena because **they always focused on the Icon **by the communion rail and ignored the presence of Christ in the Tabernacle.

Thanks for mentioning this! It reminds me of St. Louis de Montfort’s True Devotion to Mary:

Scrupulous devotees are those who imagine they are slighting the Son by honouring the Mother. They fear that by exalting Mary they are belittling Jesus. They cannot bear to see people giving to our Lady the praises due to her and which the Fathers of the Church have lavished upon her.** It annoys them to see more people kneeling before Mary’s altar than before the Blessed Sacrament**, as if these acts were at variance with each other, or as if those who were praying to our Lady were not praying through her to Jesus. They do not want us to speak too often of her or to pray so often to her…Here are some of the things they say: “Tell us about those who are devoted to Jesus.We should go directly to Jesus, since he is our sole Mediator. We must preach Jesus; that is sound devotion.”

There is some truth in what they say, but the inference they draw to prevent devotion to our Lady is very insidious. It is a subtle snare of the evil one under the pretext of promoting a greater good. For we never give more honour to Jesus than when we honour his Mother, and we honour her simply and solely to honour him all the more perfectly. We go to her only as a way leading to the goal we seek - Jesus, her Son.

The Church, with the Holy Spirit, blesses our Lady first, then Jesus, “Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.” Not that Mary is greater than Jesus, or even equal to him - that would be an intolerable heresy. But in order to bless Jesus more perfectly we should first bless Mary.

Critical devotees are for the most part proud scholars, people of independent and self-satisfied minds, who deep down in their hearts have a vague sort of devotion to Mary. However, they criticise nearly all those forms of devotion to her which simple and pious people use to honour their good Mother just because such practices do not appeal to them. They question all miracles and stories which testify to the mercy and power of the Blessed Virgin…They cannot bear to see simple and humble people on their knees before an altar or statue of our Lady, or at prayer before some outdoor shrine. They even accuse them of idolatry as if they were adoring the wood or the stone. They say that as far as they are concerned they do not care for such outward display of devotion…When you tell them how admirably the Fathers of the Church praised our Lady, they reply that the Fathers were exaggerating as orators do, or that their words are misrepresented. These…are greatly to be feared…While pretending to correct abuses, they succeed only too well in turning people away from this devotion.

 

[po18guy]

We know that all created things were created by the power of the Word of God - Jesus, His only Son. When the Son was to take flesh for our redemption, God’s plan was that He would come to us by a woman. Thus, Jesus created Mary to be His mother. No other mother has been created by her son, much less by a divine Son.

Catholics and Orthodox Christians (and a few others) honor Mary because God honored her first. We simply recognize the honor given her, and know that she brought our Lord to us and now leads us to our Lord. Everything in right relation, and in correct proportion.

 

[grandfather]

Background:
I’m a catholic revert. I’m the pastoral council chairman at my parish. I’ve lead apologetics classes for my parish. I’ve been in a funk lately about Marian devotions and their place in catholic culture.

Probelms:
I’m feeling like devotions to Mary are very popular these days and I am concerned that it’s to much. Is there a to much? I’m not one to pray the rosary because my mind wanders quickly wile trying to meditate on the scripture. I feel like our Catholic Church these days is full of Marian devotions, and not enough God devotion in comparison. What should be Mary’s place in my mind, in my prayer life, and in our Sunday mass? What place should Marian devotion have in catholic culture?

Also, mediatrix of all graces?
Does this mean: female mediator of ALL graces? So no graces can be granted except through Mary? If so, c’mon…

I want to sort this out in my mind so any help would be appreciated.

Jesus is your salvation. He is the truth. He is the resurrection and He is the author of life. He comes to you through a woman, His mother. She conceives Him in her sinless holy body by the power of and in cooperation with the Holy Ghost. She forms Him in her womb. She delivers Him who is God Almighty our salvation to us in a manger. He enters the world though her alone. She nurses Him. She stands by the cross and watches her Son tortured to death. She holds Him dead in her arms. She is the ark of the covenant that goes ahead of the pilgrim Church.

And you think she is not the mediatrix of all grace. C’mon, you say?

Your problem is you do not know her. You think you know her Son? Really?

All the centuries of saints tell us you can not know the Son without the mother. You say Marian devotions are too much. Do you practice any devotion to her at all? Probably not. I suspect you ignore her. If you did know her benefits, the protection and comfort she gives you would not be so confused as to write what you do.

Jesus comes to us through Mary His mother and we go to Him through Mary our Mother.

God honors this woman above all other creatures by making her His mother and queen of heaven. Do you really think you can honor her too much?

Put yourself at Calvary and stand next to her.

 

[PeterJohn]

Some of you people whom answered my question just wanted to fight or to lash out at me.
Thanks for that.

I’m at a weird stage, I’m very confused about the Marian devotions to the point that it erks me. It bothers me that it erks me too. I’m aware of many of the fathers writings about Mary.
I know her place in scripture. I’m just uncomfortable with how much emphasis is on Mary in a world where God lacks the proper emphasis.

As for mediatrix of all graces, in my mind the term simply puts Us in a position where we are required to give Mary credit for Gods graces.

I know Mary said yes to God, and I’m grateful. But is her life long sacrifice greater then St. John’s, or St. Peter’s? Or St. Therese? If so… How much greater? And where is the concrete scripture/tradition for the Marian devotion?

Does God want us to love him and be devoted to him? Yes!
Does Mary?

 

[PeterJohn]

I’m not by any means trying to be rude or disrespectful. I just need to talk this out.

If you aren’t going to help and you want to insult me, please don’t post.

 

[Mark121359]

Some of you people whom answered my question just wanted to fight or to lash out at me.
Thanks for that.

I’m not by any means trying to be rude or disrespectful. I just need to talk this out.

If you aren’t going to help and you want to insult me, please don’t post.

I’ve read all of the posts, and I see no posts that want to fight or to lash out at you. No insulting posts that I see. Please point them out. Now maybe it’s me, but you seem to have your mind already closed to Mary. InNomineDomini pointed to this book; Making Sense of Mary. Here’s two I recommend; Mary and the Fathers of the Church: The Blessed Virgin Mary in Patristic Thought by Fr. Luigi S. M. Gambero. And also the follow-up; Mary in the Middle Ages: The Blessed Virgin Mary in the Thought of Medieval Latin Theologians by Fr. Luigi Gambero. You have to open your mind and desire to learn about Mary and put forth some effort in doing so. A word of warning; Once you find out what a treasure trove Mary is to the RCC, don’t blame me when you find yourself falling in love with her!..

In post #16 you mentioned St. Therese. In a letter to her cousin Marie Guérin on May 30, 1889 she wrote this;

“Have no fear of loving the Blessed Virgin too much, you will never love her enough, and Jesus will be pleased since the Blessed Virgin is His Mother.”
~St. Therese of Lisieux~

archives-carmel-lisieux.fr/english/carmel/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1096:lt-92-a-marie-guerin&catid=361&Itemid=225

Peace, Mark

 

[fred_conty]

Here is a little more info that I hope will help in the process of making a personal relationship with Mary. Sometimes that takes a while, but the more me know about Mary this begins to happen.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=849047

Thence, on the new continent of America 8 million Aztec pagans were added and grew to millions more in a short time span. The Protestant Revolt was taking place in Europe about this time, in the year 1541. Many Roman Catholics were leaving the faith in the old world. Approximately 5 million separated from the Catholic faith in the Protestant Revolt, if not more.

This was the outcome of our Lady’s appearance in Mexico and the effects of her image on the Tilma.
She always leads people to her Son. Tho 5 million left in Europe, 8 million found the faith in the new world.

The Aztec pagans had offered 20,000 bloody human sacrifices to the god Quetzalcoatl-Venus each year. The image of this pagan god was carved out of stone, as seen in ancient pyramids of Mexico. The Aztecs learned through the instruction of Juan Diego and the ‘writing of the tilma’ Image that no human sacrifice could equal Jesus Christ offered on the Cross.

 

[marywarfield]

I’m not by any means trying to be rude or disrespectful. I just need to talk this out.

If you aren’t going to help and you want to insult me, please don’t post.

I don’t see anyone lashing out at you. I do see people
trying to help.
Actually Marian devotion has fallen off as far as I can
see. It’s nothing like it used to be. Our Church Fathers
have made it clear from the beginning- resistance,
hostility toward Mary indicates God’s disapproval.
God gives enormous graces to those who ARE
devoted to His Mother and withholds them from
those who are not.
St. Louis DeMontfort did an excellent piece
on what he calls the “Catholic Scholar”- those
who believe Mariology is for peasants and illiterates
who don’t have what it takes to honor Christ Himself.
The “scholars” state it is an insult to honor the Mother etc.
Mary is Queen of the Saints for a reason.
More than that those who believe they are so
sinless and acceptable they can bypass mediators
and go straight to God are “presumptuous”.
Montfort also states they have been led astray by
their own presumption and the evil one.
Honoring Mary honors Jesus. We must remember
Jesus is our mediator before God. But Mary is our
Mediator before her Son as He IS God.
Anyone who believes sincerely they can bypass
that help may find themselves sent to the “end of
the table”. Jesus decides who to sit at the head
of the table- not us. Trying to decide ourselves
we belong in that seat is dangerous to say the least.

At the same time those who are resistant to Mary
tend to be also resistant to warnings- seeing instead
an attack.
No, all I see people here telling you is as a Catholic- eastern
western or Orthodox- you are jumping off a cliff with this
resistance.
In so far as devotion goes? LOZl. C’mon. The Orthodox
Rosary literally states Mary is the salvation of
the Christian race as she bore the savior of our
souls in her womb.
So believe me, the modern Western Church would
need to work a lot harder to equal the degree of
Marian devotion in the Orthodox and many of
the Eastern Catholic Churches.