Help! I'm being eaten alive by fundamentalists!

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I started a thread at www.churchofchristdiscussions.com/yabb/YaBB.cgi
called “What’s wrong with being Catholic?” (under the ‘questions outside the church’ category) and I could use some help.

I know what answers to give them, but they outnumber me.

This is the kind of responses I’m getting:
clearly the call no man father is being taken out of context. if you read the entire passage you will see that Christ is NOT speaking of our earthly biological fathers, but in the context of the scripture he is talking against RELIGIOUS leaders. that right there is said plain and clear. and to bring up the excuse of calling our biological fathers…fathers is not even one that can be used. because the scripture is being taken out of context.

catholicisim teaches a lot of false truths.

i’ll just point out one…reconciliation

the Bible teaches…all sins are forgiven at the point of salvation, because Christ’s death satisfied all God’s wrath against sin [cols 2:13-14]

catholicisim teaches…sins are only potentially forgiven, and must be worked off through a process mediated by the church and its sacrements over the lifetime of the believer.

and false doctrines…that have just been basically made up over time…such as

mary’s immaculate conception…and this came from where?

mary’s physical acension from heavenhttp://www.churchofchristdiscussions.com/YaBBImages/huh.gif??
mary’s role as co-redemptrix and mediatrix of all graceshttp://www.churchofchristdiscussions.com/YaBBImages/huh.gif

the Bible CLEARLY states…in 1 timothy 2:5 that there is ONLY one mediator between God and men…and clearly it states that is Christ Jesus…

i mean something so plain as that has been twisted by the catholic church…how is that possible to just disregard scripture just to please the church.

and many practices of the rcc steam from pagan doctrines that the church adopted…and i have references for those also…

so my friend, i pray that you study you Bible for a clear understanding, and with an open-mind, and really dig deep, which in all honesty you won’t have to go far, so see that the rcc is not christ’s church…and no way resembles the NT church at all.

I would answer all the points myself, but I’m a busy man as it is…
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Real quick comeback to the mediator question: yes, Jesus is the one mediator between God and man. However, aren’t we all mediators between Jesus and man? Everytime they ask you to pray for someone, aren’t they asking you to be a mediator?

Now, I’ll go back and read some more. I’m not as astute or learned as a lot of posters here are so this will help me, too.

Thanks for posting this thread. Sue
 
By the way, if there is one thing I have learned on this board in dealing with fundies, it’s this: Only take one question at a time. They love to overwhelm you with lots and lots of rejections of the faith. Insist on taking only one at a time. If they truly want to have a conversation and not a lynching, then they will go along with you on one subject at a time.

And as a convert, I can vouch for something else, too. If you don’t know the answer, don’t pretend. Just tell them you will find out for them and then follow up. They will respect you more for that. One little pretense and it’s all over.

God bless you and don’t lose hope. I will pray for you and for them. Sue
 
Helium, the problem I have with this relay style, me giving my answers so you can give them an answer and them answering you to come back to us. It’s far too cumbersome. I’m sure you’ve read all the answers before, if not go to this main site, they have excellent references, after you’ve researched them have your fundalmentist friends come also and discuss the differences. Also Karl Keating’s book “Catholicism and Fundamentalism” is an excellent resource.
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heliumspark:
so my friend, i pray that you study you Bible for a clear understanding, and with an open-mind, and really dig deep, which in all honesty you won’t have to go far
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On this I couldn’t agree more. Please do research; it will bring you closer to His Church, the Catholic Church. Do not use anti-Catholic sources in your research. They do twist the truth and take Scripture out of context.
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heliumspark:
I would answer all the points myself, but I’m a busy man as it is…
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May the peace and love of our Lord, Jesus the Christ, be with you.
 
Give links to the resources on Catholic Answers. Preface your cover note with:

Non-Catholics frequently ask this question. It is dealt with very clearly at the following web site: (link). After you have read this material, I would be glad to try to answer any remaining questions you might have.
 
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Helium, the problem I have with this relay style, me giving my answers so you can give them an answer and them answering you to come back to us. It’s far too cumbersome.
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No, I just wanted to cordially invite people to come over here www.churchofchristdiscussions.com if they want to join in the fun. The thread is called ‘What’s wrong with being Catholic’, under the ‘questions outside the Church’ category.

Thanks!
 
Another thought: If you are going to have debates/conversations with fundies, it would be best to have a devout Catholic buddy to bounce ideas off of. Also to help you in understand what they are trying to say and what your faith truly is. Sometimes well-meaning Christians can give you very articulate and convincing arguments but are lacking a critical piece of information. This, along with emotions, can cause you doubts and throw you into turmoil.

Find a close buddy who is as devout a Catholic as you are to share this with. I’ve done it with one of my friends who had a friendly conversation with a protestant on the internet. Between me and her mother, my friend was able to think things through a bit more clearly.
 
maybe get a couple of book an have them handy. just discuss one topic at the time. before you get into a specific topic do your research first this way you will have the answers to debate. some of my book recomendation are; born fundamentalist born again catholic by david currie, fundamentals of the faith by peter kreeft and beginning apologetics volumes by fathee chacon. hope this help. god bless:)
 
They can’t even claim to understand the Bible because it was formed in the context of the Catholic Church.

St. Paul tells people he has been a father to them.

Greg
 
Has it ever occurred to you that it’s less than good manners to go onto another church’s discussion board, post a deliberately provocative message (essentially challenging them to defend the fact that they aren’t Catholic), and then summon your compatriots to swarm the board in order to support you? When fundamentalists do this on Catholic boards, you complain loudly that this is “trolling” and is somehow dishonorable behavior. An application of the Golden Rule might be in order.

I hang out on Catholic boards because I’m interested in Catholicism and frequently consider becoming Catholic. I don’t hang out on fundamentalist boards because I have no interest in becoming a fundamentalist (been there, done that). I don’t think that invading the message boards of other Christians is an appropriate way to evangelize.

In Christ,

Edwin
 
i guess i would say if you are “being eaten alive by funadamentalists” then don’t go where they are. it seems you went on the offensive on that site with a pointed question (which you knew what sort of response you would get). they did not start the discussion. apologetics is a defense of one’s beliefs and, much like martial arts, should only be used as a defense not an offense. you won’t begin to change people’s hearts by throwing out apologetics, but if their hearts begin to change then apologetics can be a part of the process.
 
Bless your heart, you are in a den of vipers, Sola Scriptura vipers.

I, too, went to that Church of Christ forum about two months ago. THEY ARE USING THE SAME STUFF ON YOU THEY USED ON ME. Does Hoss, Planter, Timotheus, Zoebird, justtryingthisout and Michael Cordeleone spew out those Bible verses to you?

THEY BANNED ME 2 days ago. I was banned, and given no reason.

Do me a favor, ask the administrator if some Catholics can be banned for posting non-Church of Christ doctrine…I am Exporter, they know me. I wonder just why I was banned. I did not insult anyone!

They will say, I challange you to give me a verse in the Bible that agrees with your Catholic point of view…right? I suggest you used this thread to get help. Don’t be too hasty to reply to them, even tho’ you may be “upset” at them. Get help.
 
You went to this Church of Christ website’s discussions area, labeled:

Questions from Outside the Church of Christ If you’re not a member of the Church of Christ and want to know more about it, here’s the place to ask.

There, you started a thread about Catholicism, not for the innocent curious purpose of really just finding out what the Church of Christ’s position on being Catholic is – but to counter all of their simple direct answers with Catholic apologetics. They didn’t want to read all of that stuff, they aren’t Catholic and aren’t interested in becoming Catholic. And the way that part of their forum is described on their site, it doesn’t sound like that is a place for people of other faiths to come and sell their own religion. I get the impression that that part of their discussion board is for people who want to learn more about the Church of Christ and its beliefs and practices.

To go there asking “what’s wrong with being Catholic?” is like going to a dentist’s office and asking what’s wrong with being a monkey. It just doesn’t fit. Maybe that is why you perceive that they are ganging up on you.

You are very very brave, though. I do admire your courage and tenacity.
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Hi Edwin,
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I must admit, you have a point there. However, I think Catholics can have courteous discussions with others if they are interested. I don’t think he is asking us to “invade”, he is just saying that he needs a few people to help answer all the objections and questions.

1000 to 1 or 1000 to 5 is still not exactly “invading”.

Greg
 
I agree with the previous post where it was said that you went to a Church of Christ board for people seeking information about that church and their doctrines and that it was perhaps inappropriate for you to do that.

I, too, went to that site and thought about going to that particular board but I didn’t because it was for people looking for info on that faith. It didn’t seem like the thing to do. Some people also remember “Exporter” and have apparently made the connection. Depending on the circumstances, this might not be seen in a good light (?)

There are many ways in which to view your “intrusion” onto their site - personally and respectfully, I think you should excuse yourself from that board and not go back. It looks as though you were trying to stir ****. I’m sure that was not your intenetion, you just wanted to make sure they heard the truth about their misconceptions. We don’t see it as very nice when others intrude on this board just to argue.

Just a friendly suggestion. Re-think it!
 
Do not try to handle more than one topic at a time. That is a common tactic that has been used against me, they keep throwing out issues before you have settled the one you were on. The reason they do this is because they have no answer for the Catholic response that is given to thier initial objection.

On the first topic regarding “call no man father”, just quote the Apostle Paul, “For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel.” 1Cor 4:15. This completely obliterates their entire argument, but i wouldn’t go on to the next topic until they answer for this one. The fact is there is no answer unless St.Paul was mistaken and commited a sin and then erroneously recorded his sin as Scripture, which would then render Scripture no longer inerrant! My what a tangled web they weave!!!

Isn’t it funny that after all these years they still don’t get it! 😉
 
When in a terse discussion with rabid Fundamentalists, do not let them ask the questions, YOU ASK THE QUESTIONS - Then you counter with the truth.🙂 👍
 
iam thinking on trying that website but i would go as undercover. i will exposed one theme an see there response. but first i will get ready with a couple of apologetics books. this way i will go prepared. god bless
 
I didn’t go in there because I wanted to convince them to be Catholic, I just wanted to see if they had heard of any arguments that I hadn’t. I was looking in the wrong place, I guess.

I have never heard of ‘trolling’. Aren’t discussion boards for anybody who wants to post in them, provided they follow the rules?

Anyhow, I am not going back there. There are no new arguments to be found there, and they resented my presence.

It was really silly of me to invite everybody to ‘invade’. I apologize for my bad manners.
 
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