Help- Im catholic but i'v fell for a muslim

[happygal]

Muslim:

yes and ask your Muslim friend questions about Islam… i bet he cant answer half of them…
you cant force someone to convert, tell someone to convert, ask someone to convert, etc… you can tell someone about Islam but they have to convert on their own… how many times have we mentioned this…
yasir arafats wife is christian…she never converted.

Is just their practise that one should follow the conversion into Islam, upon their marriage is conceal. But ultimately religion is a free will stuff to individual. No religion in this world force others to accept one that they don’t believe in, else religion is not holy anymore.

I suggest to those who’s having inter religion relationship, before talking about marriage, one needs to have a clear mindset about individual on where they stand and their level of acceptance and understanding towards their respective religion. In both of you are willing to accept one and other without been face with a dilemma situation of conversion, then god will give blessing to both.

 

[Muslim]

happygal:

Is just their practise that one should follow the conversion into Islam, upon their marriage is conceal. But ultimately religion is a free will stuff to individual. No religion in this world force others to accept one that they don’t believe in, else religion is not holy anymore.

I suggest to those who’s having inter religion relationship, before talking about marriage, one needs to have a clear mindset about individual on where they stand and their level of acceptance and understanding towards their respective religion. In both of you are willing to accept one and other without been face with a dilemma situation of conversion, then god will give blessing to both.

well yeah but problem is, if she really is a Muslim, she can’t marry him…
what most people don’t get is that a relationship, or a marriage especially is not just about 2 people, no matter what the media, movies, etc. tries to tell you… like they know anything about it… look at the divorce rate in this country… it has to make sense. its a deal that has to make sense for both parties… ofcourse there needs to be love…but love is not just ‘oo i love you’…religion is a HUGE part in some peoples lives, or in their family… if she is ready to leave her family and her faith for some guy, let her.
same thing goes to the guy. if he is ready to leave his faith for her, let him… its between humans in this world but at the end, its upto God to judge.

 

[happygal]

Muslim:

well yeah but problem is, if she really is a Muslim, she can’t marry him…
what most people don’t get is that a relationship, or a marriage especially is not just about 2 people, no matter what the media, movies, etc. tries to tell you… like they know anything about it… look at the divorce rate in this country… it has to make sense. its a deal that has to make sense for both parties… ofcourse there needs to be love…but love is not just ‘oo i love you’…religion is a HUGE part in some peoples lives, or in their family… if she is ready to leave her family and her faith for some guy, let her.
same thing goes to the guy. if he is ready to leave his faith for her, let him… its between humans in this world but at the end, its upto God to judge.

Marriage is holy in all respect. Both of them would need to receive their direction given my God, ask him if the marriage is given and blessed by him. I’m sure the answer from him is the truth. But even if getting the answer from him still does not answer to our human nature thinking. Then i guess human have rejected god’s word. Everything happened for a reason in god’s eye…So why ask yrself if you can’t find the answer , ask God…

I understand inter religion marriage is an important decision to make, not only yourself but the concern coming from both side’s family. Thus lots of talking and mutual understanding needs to be taken into consideration.

 

[Muslim]

happygal:

Marriage is holy in all respect. Both of them would need to receive their direction given my God, ask him if the marriage is given and blessed by him. I’m sure the answer from him is the truth. But even if getting the answer from him still does not answer to our human nature thinking. Then i guess human have rejected god’s word. Everything happened for a reason in god’s eye…So why ask yrself if you can’t find the answer , ask God…

I understand inter religion marriage is an important decision to make, not only yourself but the concern coming from both side’s family. Thus lots of talking and mutual understanding needs to be taken into consideration.

well… i really dont know anybody that speaks to God…rather with God…
anyways are you agreeing with me, disagreeing? i am totally confused… im sorry im stupid…
but yeah

 

[happygal]

Muslim:

well… i really dont know anybody that speaks to God…rather with God…
anyways are you agreeing with me, disagreeing? i am totally confused… im sorry im stupid…
but yeah

Arrrr…did i wrote it wrongly !!! Sorry…When we pray to him, isn’t we talking to/with him??? Isn’t we asking for his protection, his direction and everything we have doubts in?? When i pray, i will get my anoiting direction from him so clear and truth…

So i don’t understand what do you mean of to or with God?? Please enlighten me!!! Thank you

 

[murtad]

Joseph_Alison:

Salaam Marc 18;

Salaam Joseph_Alison

Joseph_Alison:

You thread generated 65 posts so far and except from your original post, we did not hear from you again.

My two comments, make it now 67 posts

Joseph_Alison:

I hope you found the advice you were looking for, but in any case, it is so important, let no one make the decision in your stead, it should be Marc’s decision and no one esle’s decision. Good luck.

The original poster could easily convert his Muslim girlfriend to the Catholic faith (which is also called Trinitarian Islam) as St Paul told us 2,000 years ago that when we approach the Jews, we be as Jews so we can make them Trinitarian Jews.

I have seen Jews for Jesus being very successful in converting Orthodox Jews. So, our Catholic brother who wishes to marry a Muslim girl needs to follow St Paul’s advise pretend to be a Muslim, then teach her true Islam, called Trinitarian Islam (aka Roman Catholic Church).

The web site, Answering-Islam explains how to witness to a Muslim.

Please tell me your reaction to my comment above. Do you agree with my idea of converting Muslims?

 

[discipleofJesus]

murtad:

So, our Catholic brother who wishes to marry a Muslim girl needs to follow St Paul’s advise pretend to be a Muslim, then teach her true Islam, called Trinitarian Islam (aka Roman Catholic Church).

Hello murtad,

“follow St Paul’s advise pretend to be a Muslim”? I think you are misunderstanding St Paul’s advice. He never told us to pretend to be Muslims.

Read this article

‘1 Corinthians 9 and the Charge of Christian Missionary Deception’
answering-islam.org/BibleCom/1cor9_19-23.html

it should help you understand what St Paul said.

 

[twiztedseraph]

Marc18:

Im asking if anybody has been in my situation or could give me advice. I like this woman alot and she likes me alot but we have not even touched on the subjest of religion. many things have been going through my head like children what religion will they be catholics or muslim so confused, my family/her family if they will approve of different races combining.
I will apreciate your help immensely.

In the name of all that is good and holy I exort you to stay Catholic, perhaps try to open her eyes to the faith as well (don’t be agressive about it)…

 

[murtad]

Joseph_Alison:

If you want to marry her, you would have to change your religion (i.e. become a Muslim like her), there is no discussion about this.

I suggest Marc18 to pretend to be a Muslim (there is such a thing called Trinitarian Muslim just as we have Trinitarian Jews) and then try to evangelise this Muslim girl. He should teach her true Islam is confessing the Nicene Creed, ie. becoming a Catholic. Once she consents, she could be baptised in the Catholic Church, which will perform the marriage rites, but she should her parents she is a Muslim.

Joseph_Alison:

But don’t change your religion because of her; no one on earth is worth to change one’s religion for.

Why do you think Christians will convert to your Pan-Arab cult of Allah worshippers? We can encouraging Muslims to give up love for false god, Allah and ultimately dismantle Islam and Arabism.

Joseph_Alison:

Religion means conviction; if you are not convinced Islam is good for you, don’t marry her. So start studying Islam -you may have already started- she may help you; you would make the call yourself after study.

Why should Christians study Islamist propaganda? Islamic propaganda is always from one perspective, Islam. Why not look at Islam from Hindu, Buddhist, Sikh, and Jewish perspective. All these 4 faiths call Islamic leader, Muhammad and his 4 caliphs as violent terrorists. So, why should anyone convert to Islam?

 

[murtad]

Joseph_Alison:

Thanks for the answer Neverland;
At first it was not clear that she was a ***former ***Muslimah when he married her. That is why I was surprised she could marry him while being a devout Muslimah. The sharp mind of Exoflare spotted my concern and made the clarification for me in your stead.

That is nothing like a former Muslimah. Once a Muslim, forever a Muslim. Muslims are an Arabic people who worship in Arabic rites. Take Egypt for instance, it is today an Arab nation with 80% Arabic Muslim and 20% Coptic Christian. But it was not like that 1400 years ago. It had a Coptic-speaking majority. Today, Coptic remains the liturgical language of the Coptic Catholic Church and its rival Coptic Orthodox Church.

So, this is why Catholic Outreach To Muslims seeks to establish Trinitarian Muslim like Trinitarian Jew. When we convert Arian Muslim to Trinitarian Muslim, we normally tell him or her that we are Muslims and ask him whether s/he is interested in Islamic studies. Here is where evangelism begins

We will bring a Christian Quran - for more information, refer to Answering-Islam. Together, we will explain what true Islam is, and the true concept of God is Trinity not Tauhid. We tell him the true Shahada is Nicene Creed.

Trinity comprises of three co-equal yet distinct persons, each fully God yet one God. These three persons are Allah, Al-Rahman and Al-Rahim. Allah is the Father, Al-Rahman is the Son, and Al-Rahim is the Holy Spirit.

Allah through His Son, Al-Rahman created the heavens and the earth. His Son, Al-Rahman was born in flesh through the Ever-Virgin Mary as the man, Jesus.

Therefore, Jesus is fully man and fully God yet one person. The leaders of the Ishmaelites like Caiaphas crucified our Lord, the King of the Jews. This guilt for the murder of our Lord, our God Jesus is passed down on every Muslim today, which is why God punished Muslims allowing Jewish Israel is persecuting Muslim Palestine.

The Ishmaelite themselves told Pilate “his blood be upon us and our children” so the guilt of the murder of the King of the Jews stands with the Arabic people today. And since the 1 billion Muslims in our planet worship in Arabic, so they Arabs.

Please give me feedback, positive or negative. I love to hear what you say about my comments.

 

[murtad]

discipleofJesus:

Hello murtad,

In Christ, peace be to you

discipleofJesus:

“follow St Paul’s advise pretend to be a Muslim”? I think you are misunderstanding St Paul’s advice. He never told us to pretend to be Muslims.

So, how do you explain CCC #841 that says Muslims and Christians worship one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day?

discipleofJesus:

Read this article

‘1 Corinthians 9 and the Charge of Christian Missionary Deception’
answering-islam.org/BibleCom/1cor9_19-23.html

it should help you understand what St Paul said.

I read that many times but we agree to disagree

 

[exoflare]

murtad:

So, how do you explain CCC #841 that says Muslims and Christians worship one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day?

I know I wasn’t the one you replied to, but I just had to ask you this. Do you think the Catechism was referring to that same type of “Muslim” you speak of in that sentence? That’s a new way of looking at it that I never thought of. I had just always looked at that part as saying “Christians and Muslims both worship GOD, even though Muslims have a very skewed understanding of God.”

 

[inJESUS]

exoflare:

I know I wasn’t the one you replied to, but I just had to ask you this. Do you think the Catechism was referring to that same type of “Muslim” you speak of in that sentence? That’s a new way of looking at it that I never thought of. I had just always looked at that part as saying “Christians and Muslims both worship GOD, even though Muslims have a very skewed understanding of God.”

what i understand is that muslims as well worship THE creator of this universe…but it doesnt mean that we worship the same creator…that is, like same name to different persons.

 

[discipleofJesus]

murtad:

In Christ, peace be to you

peace be to you too

murtad:

So, how do you explain CCC #841 that says Muslims and Christians worship one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day?

I’m not sure how to explain CCC #841 that says Muslims and Christians worship one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day. But exoflare asked a good question and inJESUS explained it in an interesting way that seems possibly correct. How do you explain it?

 

[pro_universal]

discipleofJesus:

peace be to you too

I’m not sure how to explain CCC #841 that says Muslims and Christians worship one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day. But exoflare asked a good question and inJESUS explained it in an interesting way that seems possibly correct. How do you explain it?

Try reading the source material, Lumen Gentium. (It’s footnoted as the basis for 841).

Then it will be clear. Muslims worship the same God, the God of Abraham, and we are to respect them as brothers.

 

[Dorothy]

Please correct me if I am wrong, but from what I understand, Muslims do not see God as a loving, affectionate Father. Their perspective appears to be different, for obvious reasons. They don’t believe in Jesus as Saviour, and in His Death and Resurrection.

So, in spite of the fact that they worship the God of Abraham, their unacceptance of the whole truth has a certain effect on their understanding of God.

 

[discipleofJesus]

pro_universal:

Try reading the source material, Lumen Gentium. (It’s footnoted as the basis for 841).

Then it will be clear. Muslims worship the same God, the God of Abraham, and we are to respect them as brothers.

Thanks for referring me to the source material. After reading your post I checked to see what was footnoted as the basis for 841 and saw that Nostra Aetate was also footnoted as the basis for 841.

 

[Muslim]

Dorothy:

Please correct me if I am wrong, but from what I understand, Muslims do not see God as a loving, affectionate Father. Their perspective appears to be different, for obvious reasons. They don’t believe in Jesus as Saviour, and in His Death and Resurrection.

So, in spite of the fact that they worship the God of Abraham, their unacceptance of the whole truth has a certain effect on their understanding of God.

well God is loving to the just…and every prayer begins with “In the name of God the most merficul the most compassionate”
i don’t want to compare God to a parent or a human being… Btw the only person mentioned next to God is “mother”. Unfortunately, in the Islamic world they don’t treat the women like they are supposed to be treated. It is said that “heaven lies beneath ones mother’s feet”.
only God knows best.

 

[inJESUS]

Dorothy:

Please correct me if I am wrong, but from what I understand, Muslims do not see God as a loving, affectionate Father. Their perspective appears to be different, for obvious reasons. They don’t believe in Jesus as Saviour, and in His Death and Resurrection.

So, in spite of the fact that they worship the God of Abraham, their unacceptance of the whole truth has a certain effect on their understanding of God.

the God of Abraham to us is Trinity
the God of Abraham is called father
the God of Abraham saved His children on the Cross

this is not the God of Abraham that muslims believe in…it is impossible that it is the same…they may call it any name, but His description/nature is not the same…

the name Holywood is the also used for a club in Milano…does it mean that Holywood is the same as Holywood club? no. They “borrowed” the name to give the place some “character”.

 

[Dorothy]

inJESUS:

the God of Abraham to us is Trinity
the God of Abraham is called father
the God of Abraham saved His children on the Cross

this is not the God of Abraham that muslims believe in…it is impossible that it is the same…they may call it any name, but His description/nature is not the same…

the name Holywood is the also used for a club in Milano…does it mean that Holywood is the same as Holywood club? no. They “borrowed” the name to give the place some “character”.

Good insight!