Help me defend against the "orans" posture

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AlanFromWichita:
No reason in particular I can think of. It sounds like you are very blessed to have all those options at your home parish! 👍

Alan
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You bet Alan! I thank God everyday and pray that everyone would have that option.
LifeTeen, Charismatic, TLM or “Historically Catholic” there is room for all of us. No one should be uncomfortable in Holy Mass.
 
John,

You want both sides to get past it?

Maybe we can step it up a notch with the “liturgical abuses” concept.

Can you say, “liturgical dancers?” 😃

Alan
 
I can’t believe how split and devisive people get over what seems to be such a minor topic. First, I have never used the orans position, so I am not tied to it. However I see an error in the argument from silence of the GIRM that is used in this thread to quash it.

Specifically, the GIRM does not specify the orans position, yea or nay, as a proper during the “Our Father.” So the argument from silence is that postures not approved are not to be used. However, I have also seen many who prayer with their hands clasped. The same arguement must apply to clasping hands in prayer. Furthermore, some also pray with the hands to the sides or holding the pew. This posture too is not approved.

The arguement has a built in flaw. Everyone must assume some posture. It is unavoidable. Since none is mentioned. Everyone must assume some posture that is not approved.

I think Alan has the only good idea. Let’s just all close our eyes and prayer to God. He is more important than those around us. Or is it too “protestant” to pray with the eyes closed.

Oops! That’s not approved either.
 
netmil(name removed by moderator):
You bet Alan! I thank God everyday and pray that everyone would have that option.
LifeTeen, Charismatic, TLM or “Historically Catholic” there is room for all of us. No one should be uncomfortable in Holy Mass.
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Amen to that my sister!

You have said in one clear sentence what I’ve probably “wasted” hundreds of (way too long :o ) posts trying to say. 🙂
 
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ncjohn:
You have said in one clear sentence what I’ve probably “wasted” hundreds of (way too long :o ) posts trying to say. 🙂
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I just figured something out. I read this all wrong. It’s not such a big issue. You guys are just trying to get your post count up. Right? 😃
 
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ncjohn:
In the end the best we can do is our best to please God.
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Geez, you’re a good egg John!
We are all fighting the good fight, for love of Our Lord.

ps…I don’t have any inside information but I suspect that you are very pleasing to Him. If I had an in, that 360 million lotto would have been mine and my parish would have a new church building!!! (and a school)
 
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pnewton:
Specifically, the GIRM does not specify the orans position, yea or nay, as a proper during the “Our Father.” .
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Look for the words “hands outstretched”. That is the Orans.
It is used for the Presider in the GIRM, not the laity.
In fact, it is the most used instruction for Priests in Vatican documents.

It is never instructed for the laity. The laity is instructed to join hands. Silence in the GIRM does not override other Vatican documents.
However, Bishops have directed on that silence in the GIRM. If your diocese encourages it, it is fine. If not, then it is not correct in the liturgy.
 
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ncjohn:
Amen to that my sister!

You have said in one clear sentence what I’ve probably “wasted” hundreds of (way too long :o ) posts trying to say. 🙂
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I’m racking up posts too! Any wonder why I give this forum up for Lent!
We have a Library unit to do for HS today. My kids are tapping their feet at me. Gotta go.

xxoo
 
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YIKES!
That is confusing isn’t it?

Look here…
107. The priest returns to the center and, facing the people and extending then joining his hands, pronounces the invitation: “Pray, brothers and sisters.”

Oh geez, my kiddies are going to get the car keys and drive themselves to the Library if I don’t get going…
Between the Olympics and CA, I am chained to my chair.
 
netmil(name removed by moderator):
YIKES!
107. The priest returns to the center and, facing the people and extending then joining his hands, pronounces the invitation: “Pray, brothers and sisters.”
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Whew! 🙂

Alan
 
That’s a good answer. After thinking about this, I am going to form a small group at my parish and pass out olive branches and small bowls of holy water and we will dip the branches in the holy water and shake it at each other as a sign of peace. I believe that is neither supported or discouraged by the Church. If we do it long enough, it will become an accepted practice and people will fight for our right to continue it. Thanks.
 
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lphelps:
That’s a good answer. After thinking about this, I am going to form a small group at my parish and pass out olive branches and small bowls of holy water and we will dip the branches in the holy water and shake it at each other as a sign of peace. I believe that is neither supported or discouraged by the Church. If we do it long enough, it will become an accepted practice and people will fight for our right to continue it. Thanks.
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You ought to be a professional liturgist! 🙂
 
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lphelps:
That’s a good answer. After thinking about this, I am going to form a small group at my parish and pass out olive branches and small bowls of holy water …
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Does your church have an orans group that has organized to promote this position? I have never heard of such a group in a church. If not, then your analogy is false. If there is, then you have a point.

Quick question to all: What is the liturgically correct thing to do with the hands. I have a child I need to teach and thought about teaching the little folded hands thing.
 
Way too funny, Hesychios. I probably don’t need any certification to become a professional liturgist, but I am very creative!! I have no music background which makes me a shoe-in as a liturgical music developer, too. Oh, the opportunities! Thanks for the laugh.
 
We have no orans gestures at my parish with the exception of those of the priest. My analogy is valid since the orans gestures for the congregation started with the charismatic Catholic movement in the 70s and 80s and not by direction of the Church.
 
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