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I think you should go ahead and share it. You never know. He might still be reading, or another person in a similar situation might benefit.
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Yes she is a jewel. One of those folks who I put on a pedestal, you know, SAHM who are raising their precious ones who are made in the image and likeness of God and in His true Church to boot. As the prayer of St. Francis goes it is in dying that we are born to eternal life. I used to think that meant that when we die physically we spend eternity in heaven. I have come to understand that it means dying to self. As Jesus said, deny thyself, take up thy cross and follow Me. These women who could choose the route that would give them accolades here, have decided to take the greater reward both here (“her children will rise up and call her blessed”) and in the hereafter. Eternity for all of us has already begun.
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Annie39
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I’m not quite with you here. We have been defending Catholic teaching here and what may sound uncharitable may be simply fraternal correction. In the spirit of Harry Truman when someone told him “give 'em hell Harry” and he replied (I’m probably not getting the quote exactly right) I just tell 'em the truth and they think it’s hell.
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I have one anecdote from a family member and her hubby. Through most of their marriage they chose to work towards the goal of earthly riches and I must say they didn’t do too badly. One of there many decisions on this path was for hubby to get a vasectomy but the best laid plans of mice and men… The family member found herself with child after that. And yes it was his, the boy now man is the spit and image of his dad including but not limited to, his personality.
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Annie39
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I can speak only for myself and I can’t think of a person here who has been holding up the teaching of the Church and defending that wonderful Catholic mom who was uncharitable IMHO.I don’t think she was referring to you actually.
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90Domer
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Wow…just wow. It’s hard for me to believe you are posting this on Palm Sunday.
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mommamaree
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Annie, I was not referring to you. You have given very nice responses here. I am sorry if you felt I was pointing at you. I wasn’t. There have been some very nasty posts here calling the OP’s daughter names and slinging insults at SAHMs.
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What does that have to do with anything or just stirring the pot? Everyone should have the same value whether they are parents or not.
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mommamaree
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That is the whole point, Annie. Those who were defending the Church’s teachings were also defending the OP’s daughter against slander.
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TeachCatechism
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Obviously you don’t know what slander is. The op admitted himself his daughter is on assistance. That’s not slander. The church also teaches we should help the poor but some people stated it was okay not to help the childless poor, which is NOT what the church teaches. The church teaches charity, but the op’s daughter isn’t taking charity but taxpayer money which is not the same thing. There is no reason why his daughter couldn’t get a job, he even supports that. McDonald’s for example will work a mother’s schedule around her kids.
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90Domer
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My kid, among others, will be paying for you. And no, he will not be on welfare or in prison if he keeps discerning the priesthood like he is. Further, my husband and this SAHM mom (who runs her own business part time) have a million dollars set aside for his needs as of today. Perhaps you think my DH is a deadbeat because I put him through grad school?
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With very young children, there is no “working around” the kids’ schedule, and childcare for four kids would almost certainly exceed a McDonald’s income. Quite a few women are staying home for economic reasons; see this link:
forums.catholic-questions.org/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=11894269
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90Domer
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This is the start of Holy Week. One should not judge and love everyone because he/she was made in the image of God.
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If you are actually teaching catechism, you should make sure you actually know the meaning of Catholic vocabulary. Slander includes things said against the reputation of another person, such as accusations of vices or poor character, especially when accusations are either unfounded or untrue. Slander, calumny and detraction are all sins of grave matter. Charity, as used in my post to which you responded, is not limited to almsgiving or financial support of a cause. Charity is so much more than that. Charity is one of the three theological virtues; in fact, it is the greatest virtue. It is nothing less than the love of one’s neighbor (i.e. fellow human beings) for the love of God.
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I’m sorry that I seemed to derail this thread. I sincerely apologize to the OP. I also am sorry if I give the impression that I think only mothers are worthy of love and admiration or that all moms should be placed upon a pedestal simply for giving birth. I also acknowledge that there are mothers who don’t do a good job taking care of their families and I know that some moms probably are lazy. But most moms people from the outside view as lazy are probably not lazy, just exhausted! Motherhood IS exhausting!!! Stay at home moms are often the most exhausted because we have no time off and we have very little grown up interaction. There have been many days I have dreamed of going back to work just to talk to someone about anything besides going potty or acne (I have teens as well). I would love to not have to remind people to use their inside voices. It gets old sometimes. Perhaps the daughter is feeling some of this exhaustion. It’s also possible that she may not be able to find a job that would give her time off when her kids are sick or maternity leave, so she may very well lose any job she does get making future jobs harder to get. Even if she does work she may not get insurance and her kids would still need coverage from somewhere. Or even worse, it could push the family over the income limit and therefore the kids are without any coverage at all. There are too many possibilities, and there is no way we could possibly know the full situation. We don’t even know for sure this family is having baby after baby purposely. I have used the phrases this dad related myself as I struggled to avoid pregnancy. I have also told people, “Well, when you already have 8,what’s one more?” It doesn’t really mean anything more than mind your own business, this doesn’t concern you.
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With all due respect, working is working. Not being paid for it does not invalidate it. Slinging insults at an entire group of people is not worthy of a 40 something or a Catholic. I’m beginning to think that perhaps you are a troll, as I can’t imagine any real Catholic continuing to say such hateful things, or freely admitting that they want to be cruel. No one has said that anyone is more special or better than anyone.
OPs daughter is not on welfare.
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Once again I have paid taxes since I was 16 so this idea that someone else will pay taxes for me is beyond ridiculous. I will continue to work as long as I am healthy. I have money put away too. I’m willing to bet that even if the next generation of kids pay for me it won’t be anywhere near what I paid in taxes.
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Actually yes there is, there are weekends and evenings. That way dad can watch the kids.
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TeachCatechism
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Oh I’m a troll because I happen to think working for a living is the way to be? If you want to talk about hateful things, I can quote all the posts that attacked me. I never stated I wanted to be cruel, you and quite a few others ganged up on me for stating the fact that the op’s daughter could work. Several of you stated cruel things about me, such as unable to find a man (not true btw)because I am so evil. One post even said she thinks I am probably a horrible teacher. So those are acceptable but me stating that she could find a job so not to rely on assistance is cruel? I stand by that because she could. I’m probably more of a true Catholic because I believe in helping all of those in need, unlike the comments that said this wasn’t so. I stated that the OP’s daughter (who is receiving assistance from their post)should work instead of receiving medicaid from the government.
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