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Just what IS an “ecumenical bible study” anyway?
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James
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James
=wfr;7893233]Hi Gang,
I have a problem that I would like your help with. This morning, for the first time, I attended an ecumenical Bible study hosted at our parish. Of the twelve or so men attending, there were only two Catholics, including myself. We were discussing Acts 8; Peter’s encounter with Simon the Magician. I off -handily mentioned that some early Church writers indicate that Simon later went back to his old ways and opposed Christianity (i.e. Irenaeus Against Heresies; Book I, Chapter 23 and St. Justin of Rome, First Apolog., xxvi, lvi; Dialogus c. Tryphonem, cxx). I did not assert that this was so, I only made a historical observation.
At this the gentleman sitting across from me mumbled under his breath “Sooo …. Simon wasn’t saved. OOOOH K.” I was somewhat taken a back with this as I believed I had made a fairly innocuous statement. This gentleman then looked at the man sitting beside him and they both rolled their eyes. He then slid his Bible over to the other guy and tapped the page with his finger.
Not being their places our opinions at risk of being judgmental. But your there it seems to me [IMO] to make the truth [which must be singular on any precise issue] known.So, here’s my dilemma. The whole point, as I understand it, of an ecumenical Bible study is to be able to discuss differing opinions in a way that respects our differences. If these guys get so bent out of shape over such trivial things, I wonder what is going to happen when a real issue of importance comes up.
PAX CHRISTI,
Bill
=wfr;7894296]Hi all
Thanks for all the great advice. I am a former Baptist minister so I know the mind set well. I also know my faith and have no problem defending it. My first thought was to catch these guys after the study and take them down a notch or two; there is a time when I would have done it and enjoied it. But I am older now and hopefully a little wiser now and I understand that I would win the fight but lose the war.
The study is led by a Protestant gentalman who my be a preacher but I am not sure. I did not say if Simon was saved or not, I simply made a comment.
I too am concerned that Catholics may have their faith weakened by such a study, especially because it is hosted by my parish. I guess I am going to have to approach this thing as an evangelism opportunity.
Welcome Home Friend!PAX CHRISTY
After having clearly identified the problem, it sounds like you have the solution well in hand. A prayer said for your meeting with Father.Hi All,
I don’t want to mislead. I do not know that the leader of this study is a Protestant pastor. All I know is that he mentioned that he had attended seminary.
I also do not know the history of this study. Having said this I also am concerned about giving Protestants such free access to Catholics who unknowingly may attend just to study the Bible.
This is why I have offered to start a Bible study that is faithful to the Church.
It has been my experance that because Many Catholics are respectful of Protestant faith, they innocently believe that Protestants will treat them the same way.
Even worse are those Catholics who have the mind set that we “all believe in Jesus.” I am going to try to catch Father after Mass this morning and voice my concerns.
PAX CHRISTI
Bill
Oh Boy! Too bad I wasn’t there, I could have had a dandy time with that one! Look at verses 8:21, 22, 23 and 24 and ask your antagonist if a saved person has to repent. (The answer is no, by the way. A saved Evangelical could shoot up 3 orphanages and a Dairy Queen every day and dying unrepentent would still be saved. That’s the concept, bizarre as it may seem.)Hi Gang,
I have a problem that I would like your help with. This morning, for the first time, I attended an ecumenical Bible study hosted at our parish. Of the twelve or so men attending, there were only two Catholics, including myself. We were discussing Acts 8; Peter’s encounter with Simon the Magician. I off -handily mentioned that some early Church writers indicate that Simon later went back to his old ways and opposed Christianity (i.e. Irenaeus Against Heresies; Book I, Chapter 23 and St. Justin of Rome, First Apolog., xxvi, lvi; Dialogus c. Tryphonem, cxx). I did not assert that this was so, I only made a historical observation.
At this the gentleman sitting across from me mumbled under his breath “Sooo …. Simon wasn’t saved. OOOOH K.” I was somewhat taken a back with this as I believed I had made a fairly innocuous statement. This gentleman then looked at the man sitting beside him and they both rolled their eyes. He then slid his Bible over to the other guy and tapped the page with his finger.
At this I asked him if I had said something controversial. His only answer was, “James 5:15.” I asked how this text was relevant to our discussion. He answered, “Read it.” I stated that I knew what James 5:15 said, I just did not understand how it applied to Simon the Magician (actually I knew the “once saved always saved” point he was making). At this he looked at the other guy again and gave him that “stupid Catholic” look and they both smirked. Not wanting to create a stink, especially as I was a new comer to the group, I dropped the issue.
So, here’s my dilemma. The whole point, as I understand it, of an ecumenical Bible study is to be able to discuss differing opinions in a way that respects our differences. If these guys get so bent out of shape over such trivial things, I wonder what is going to happen when a real issue of importance comes up. I would like to continue attending this group, but I need to find a way express my Catholic faith without alienating myself from the group. I don’t want to be labeled as a trouble-maker. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
PAX CHRISTI,
Bill