Help with public school providing sexual content to students

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Spongebob had some pretty well written episodes, but some parents thought it was fresh and wouldn’t let their kids watch.
Teletubbies was very cute, but “Boohbah” was downright trippy.
Not sure how they got the green light for that one.
 
Spongebob had some pretty well written episodes, but some parents thought it was fresh and wouldn’t let their kids watch.
Teletubbies was very cute, but “Boohbah” was downright trippy.
Not sure how they got the green light for that one.
Actually, studying Marketing it’s the colors and frame rates that worry me…and the over-reliance on scatalogical humor.

No “baby voice” TV shows in my house. Nope. No Wiggles, Teletubbies or the devil incarnate—sorry I mean Caliu.
 
Caillou and Barney–the most heinous forces of evil on television…
 
Meh, I read The Scarlet Letter.

It was pretty much the reverse of juicy and salacious.

Heck, it was pretty much the reverse of interesting…
Yes, that’s pretty much my recollection, from reading it in high school. I didn’t find it entirely boring, but it certainly didn’t have any explicit sexual depictions.
 
I am responding in the context of a Catholic Forum, hence the reference to Catholics and christians.
Fine. I was concerned that you might have thought, or others might have thought you meant, that the matters in debate were only/mainly sensitive issues for Catholics / Christians, rather than generally.
 
Just like a number of years ago when some in the christian community held the belief that 'The Tella Tubbies" and “Sponge Bob” were gay oriented.
I didn’t know that about Teletubbies / Sponge bob! Really? I assume those who believed a “gay orientation” was depicted were not solely Christians?
 
Hi Teek, I’m glad that the meeting wasn’t a complete disappointment. I get the feeling that the teacher is set on making the students read books that have (skewed) sexuality as a theme, rather than just “deep” subjects in general. Do you think that was the case?
 
Hi Teek, I’m glad that the meeting wasn’t a complete disappointment. I get the feeling that the teacher is set on making the students read books that have (skewed) sexuality as a theme, rather than just “deep” subjects in general. Do you think that was the case?
I did get that impression from our conversation. When I told her that the book passage depicting an adolescent boy masturbating while thinking of an adult woman’s physical anatomy (with descriptions) presented the objectification of women in a positive way, she protested strongly that he loved and deeply admired that woman. It was not degrading to her but a reflection of how much this woman had impacted his life and he was NOT treating her as an object.

So says an adult woman presenting sexually explicit content to adolescent children.

However, I believe that it runs deeper than sexuality for this person. It is not just skewed sexuality that she wishes to share her fascination with, but also other aspects of the fallen side of human nature. Violence, murder, etc. She has a rather negative view of what it ultimately means to be human, and the books she has chosen thus far present those views as if they are unavoidable.

It is much like the arguments many people have presented here that posit that these children will experience this stuff in their own lives and probably already have and so it would be wrong to avoid these books. That argument has the flavor of fatalism and capitulation that is often the fastest way to lose a culture war. Fight back people! No matter how common criminal behavior may become do not accept it as a foregone conclusion! We were made for more, to be more, and so we should expect more! Every act of violence or sexual exploitation perpetuated against any human should be treated as an outrage, not as if it is a part of day to day life. That attitude helps no one.

My daughter is reading a non fiction book in that class now about the lobotomy of Rosemary Kennedy. It is an ugly story. It includes the promiscuity of her father, her parent’s embarrassment with her mental limitations, etc. It is a true story. It is ugly.

Can there be value in reflecting on these things? Of course—knowledge of history helps us to Never Go There Again, if we use it wisely. But first, let us present to these young kids what a human person can aspire to be! What nobility and goodness and truth look like. Then, with that lens, it is possible to explore these distortions in light of truth and know them for what they are, and most importantly, know that there is, in fact, an attainable alternative that can be embraced.

I have been in literature classes and I have been in book clubs. Not all books are literature, in the deeper sense of the term. (Written works, especially those considered of superior or lasting merit.) These books remind me more of the book clubs I’ve been in, and less of the literature classes.
 
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I get that feeling too, this dumbing down of literature classes.
The kids still learn Shakespeare, but they seem to be reading a lot of Oprah’s picks, too…
 
I get that feeling too, this dumbing down of literature classes.

The kids still learn Shakespeare, but they seem to be reading a lot of Oprah’s picks, too…
These ones have not read Shakespeare. This was supposed to be the year they started with some of his work. The teacher said they just don’t get interested in the classics anymore. They really get into the ones with explicit sexual depravity and graphic murder, though.
 
Yeah, kids like the salacious stuff. That’s pretty normal. Kids are naturally curious about sex and adult life. Which is why they need models of sane and healthy sexuality.
But since when do kids choose the curriculum?
Fine, kids, don’t read the book. I don’t care.
You fail the class.
Full stop
 
To reply to comments about The Scarlet Letter.

I would say, again, that it isn’t sexual themes that I am protesting. It is sexually explicit content. The Scarlet Letter was not sexually explicit. You know that it happened, but it did not describe the sordid details of the sexual act that took place.

Second, that book is not about the sexual immorality itself, but about the reaction of people to it. It can open up some seriously deep conversations about judgement, mercy, forgiveness, and the harshness of self-righteousness. With a skilled teacher, a lot could be learned about the social order. Put it in context with what they are learning about history, such as the Salem Witch Trials, or the violence of the Reformation, it can be informative. It would take some skilled and intentional direction by an invested teacher to make it have that value, though.

I doubt I had that at my first go at it in my seventh grade “advanced” English and literature class, because I remember it being boring and horrible. I didn’t really understand what had happened, anyway.

My second go at it as a junior (11th year) I had an excellent literature teacher and we used it actually with Romeo and Juliet to look at the way social expectations can allow injustices to happen when people are afraid to act in defense of those being wronged due to social expectations. We explored ways individual people could have intervened, what could have been done to stop the tragic results, and could anything have made a difference.

It wasn’t the book really, it was the both the teacher and the age of the kids being taught. We had more experiences and maturity to work with the second time. Makes an enormous difference.
 
A lot of Shakespeare’s work has some pretty dirty sexual jokes as well. Most references go over the heads of high school students, unless the teacher explains them.
 
I think the original poster probably needs to home school her daughter and then see that she attends a very traditional, conservative Catholic or christian college to avoid literature, film and other creative art forms that incorporate sexuality in its work. Better yet, she probably should severely limit (censor) her daughter’s exposure to books, the arts and humanities, and education.
Why should that be the recommendation?
 
Why should that be the recommendation?
I believe that poster, in her posts here, attributes objections such as yours to a peculiarly traditional catholic “mindset”, rather than to actual lack of literary merit and inclusion of objectionable material in those books. I questioned her on just those points earlier. She later remarked about “Christians” who noted “gayness” or something similar in the teletubbies :roll_eyes:.
 
see that she attends a very traditional, conservative Catholic or christian college to avoid literature, film and other creative art forms that incorporate sexuality in its work.
Traditional, conservative Catholic teaching does not avoid sexuality. It teaches about the beauty of sexuality as a gift from God. It is because of the inherent sacredness and beauty of sexuality that the profanation of it is so heinous. And should not be presented to children at all, especially not as if sexual profanation is normal and unavoidable.

Who said anything about avoiding sexuality as if it is evil? We are talking about avoiding the presentation of the evil and distorted uses of sexuality to children. That is what I am looking to protect my child from. Not from sexuality. She was born a sexual being by the grace and gift of God. It is in using her sexuality in accordance with His will and His design that she will find lasting joy and fulfillment. That is what I want for her.

She was completely disgusted with the content of the book her teacher gave her, and wrote in her classroom journal that it made her feel gross. The teacher replied that “boys will be boys” and that it (masturbation) is to be expected at this age.

Literature class is not a forum for presenting sexual views to 15 year olds. That is what “the OP” was reacting to.
 
I believe that poster, in her posts here, attributes objections such as yours to a peculiarly traditional catholic “mindset”, rather than to actual lack of literary merit and inclusion of objectionable material in those books. I questioned her on just those points earlier. She later remarked about “Christians” who noted “gayness” or something similar in the teletubbies :roll_eyes:.
That has been the most fascinating sort of reaction to the original post, in my opinion!

The Catholic view of human life or “mindset” is the most ennobling and uplifting of any viewpoint you could foster. Made in the image and likeness of God, made to know Him and love Him to be with Him eternally?? There is no other viewpoint anywhere that even comes close to affirming with such strength the beauty of the individual person and the worth of that person. And yet, when you seek to defend it, people tell you to stuff your daughter in a closet and hide from the world because she won’t be able to handle real life with your views.

What, that she is beautiful and cherished in the eyes of God?

That sexuality is a beautiful gift from God in which you can give yourself to another person in a sharing of love and life that God may bless to become fruitful for the creation of a new life? That it is a sharing in the love of the Trinity? That to see it otherwise lessens and cheapens it?

I hardly think she will now be unable to navigate the real world. She will now, however, know that she does not need to settle for less than the will of her all-powerful and all-knowing Father in Heaven who loves her.

In the meantime, could we not waste her time in literature class reading about Inez the prostitute and how long she and her client took to let the other murderer in the room fall asleep?

Some of the reactions to this position in this forum blow my mind.

Yes, I do try to protect her from sexually explicit material in all contexts at this age. I do hope she chooses friends that have her faith and defend her values. I do not want her hanging around only with the kids who are sending each other nude pictures of other students, or doing drugs, or cussing and disrespecting all rules and authority. She doesn’t have to live in her closet to fulfill these hopes of mine. She isn’t the only good kid out there. Eventually she would be if everyone who hoped their kids would stay good just shoved them in a closet to protect them!

We could also protect them out in the world. It is not an all or nothing kind of deal. That is what I want to do.

(I never was sure what the Teletubbies were doing. I don’t think it was intentional enough to even ascribe to it any agenda at all. It was just bizarre.)
 
@teek - I would write a letter to the school board for starters.

There are TONS of classical literature which is very engaging, with should be used instead of this trash.

You might want to look into online high schools too, as an option.

Some states, like PA even have online Charter schools, which are free because they are considered public schools.

There also a handful of online Catholic High Schools (not home school programs, but actually online schools)

Here are a few online Catholic High Schools that offer high school diplomas:



http://stdavt.org


Plus, there are a good number homeschool online curriculum programs where you have teachers teach your homeschooling kids online, and they even offer diplomas




https://modg.org
http://www.olvs.org

Here’s a blog article that was interesting regarding the homeschooling programs (not the online schools): (MODG) Mother of Divine Grace: Why we chose it - elizabeth clare
 
Wow, as if her interpretation of the passages you found objectionable as a pareny have ANYTHING to do with the matter. Clearly another unprofessional teacher with some pseudointellectual agenda. Sorry to hear about that. I suppose private or homeschooling just isn’t an option for her, which is unfortunate.
 
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