Here are some links that Protestants don’t want you to visit…Am I right?

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Julianna:
The links you posted are “baiting”, plain and simple…
to make a long story short…

No, you are NOT right…
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I agree, Julianna. This reminds me of the incident where St. Paul was pursued by a possessed girl.
Acts 16:
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As we were going to the place of prayer, we met a slave girl with an divining spirit, who used to bring a large profit to her owners through her fortune-telling.
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She began to follow Paul and us, shouting, “These people are slaves of the Most High God, who proclaim to you a way of salvation.”
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She did this for many days. Paul became annoyed, turned, and said to the spirit, “I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her.” Then it came out at that moment.
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Strange, isn’t it? She was telling the TRUTH, but her overkill was driving people away from Paul’s message, rather than bringing people to him. She obviously did not have the Spirit-anointed calling to “preach.” Her many days of proselytizing had Paul very grieved.

It may be similar here. The OP’s overkill with scores of threads that bait and flame are not going to produce a single convert, for they are filled with condemnation of the very people Jesus died to save; i.e., ALL MEN.

As Christ strongly warnedl in today’s scripture, the weeds must be allowed to grow along with the wheat, lest the good plant be wrongly rooted up with it. The disciples were not capable of distinguishing which plant was the true wheat from the false wheat, because both looked exactly alike. In their error, they could easily mistake rooting up what they felt was ‘no good,’ or worthless. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockle_%28weed%29
 
I see no problem with you all visiting those sites. Why should I?

Any site that gets you thinking about Christ and the Bible is fine with me.

Philippians 1:15-18 (New International Version)

15It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill. 16The latter do so in love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. 17The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains.[a] 18But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.
 
I posted that picture in humor.

Some people here need to lighten-up. Doesn’t Christianity beg for “tolerance”, or is it just tolerance for those who agree with “you”? Is it amazing today how many people, when they don’t get their way, the first thing they will do is to start insulting others and start with the name-calling… all in the name of “Christianity”.

All this talk about Christian “charity” from Protestants here, seems not to apply to Catholics who will not yield or compromise their faith for the sake of ecumenicalism. I will not compromise any beliefs that I have in any Christian truth found in Catholicism, so that you or others here, who reject Christian truths, might “like me"…sorry.

Much of this complaining by Protestants here is a big smoke screen and doesn’t go to answering any of the questions here.

There are many evil, offensive and dangerous things in this world and it is not my threads. I believe that there are some here who have completely lost their perspective. Too many spoiled brats today (in general).

As for comparing me to the possessed girl chasing Saint Paul….that’s just stupid. More Catholic-on-Catholic, where a Catholic will attack another Catholic, so the a Protestant might like them…That’s just wrong.
 
As for comparing me to the possessed girl chasing Saint Paul….that’s just stupid. More Catholic-on-Catholic, where a Catholic will attack another Catholic, so the Protestant might like them…
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Hmm. :ehh: You also have the gift of clairvoyance to read my motivation? Not very effective, your ‘gift.’ And it still comes through very clearly that you don’t have any use for Protestants.

No, Jimmy, I was not comparing you to the possessed girl, but to the “in your face” proselytizing that she engaged in, which ruined any chance of authentic ministry by St. Paul. It was a complete turn-off.

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I read all the posts and do not see any evidence of insults except in yours. What I did see from them is a concern that you are baiting any who are not Catholic, in the many posts you have begun.
 
Jimmy_B said:
Hello, anamchara,

Thank you for your post.

Can true ecumenicalism occur without agreement on Christian truths? Is it the, ”telling the truth” that is “offensive”, or is it that… some find the truth, to be offensive?

Why would anyone find the truth, especially Christian truth, offensive?

Peace 🙂
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There are truths in all Christian faiths. Some have more truths then others. The Catholic faith is believed to have the fullness of the truth but this doesn’t disregard what truths many Protestants Churches hold. Yes true ecumenicism can occur as long as the people involved understand and respect the differences. The differences need to be a given without acrimony. But it takes a well rounded, educated mature mind and thoughtful loving heart to do this.

Many converts on CAF are from evangelical Protestant backgrounds and I would say they wouldn’t be the best candidates for ecumenical work (some) They often feel any sort of acceptance towards our separate brethren is seen as jeopardizing their own Catholic belief. I am sorry to say this and forgive me for generalizing but many of these converts have brought with them the same narrow-minded rigid tactics they had as Protestants. This is simply not the Catholic way. I would go further and say that many “apologists” cause more problems then help in this regard.

I would recommend you go read what the Church says on ecumenical works. Poking fun and needling is not part of the program as a Catholic Jimmy. There is too much disheartening history between Catholics and Protestants and wounds that need to be healed. We can joke with each other but it should be in good fun not veiled with accusations as your thread is.
 
Jimmy_B said:
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You’re original post said, "Here are some links that Protestants don’t want you to visit…Am I
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Excuse me? OSL is referencing the very title of this thread you created. How much more “on topic” could he be? You included yourself in this question, whether intentionally or not. If you would like to backtrack from that stance, you have the opportunity here and now to admit to your poor word choice but I doubt that will shake many here off because the ugly implications of this thread will be attached to the OP.
Where is the “community,” where there are “many different denominations”? Why is it that Catholics are the only ones who are not accepted by multi-denominational or non-denominational sects?
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I realize that personal anecdotes can hardly count as definitive “proof” but I will share this one, tiny glimpse into the ecumenical world… I have been, at one time, an elder in the Presbyterian Church. Elders, as a collective body, called “the session”, serve as the decision-making authority for the parish. While serving on Session, I was on a sub-committee tasked to gather the area churches for a ecumenical Thanksgiving worship service. We were joined by Korean-based Presbyterian church in the area, a Wesleyan church from down the street, and a Mennonite church within view of our church. The only hold out was the Catholic church right across the street.
So, in my personal experience it is not that Catholics are excluded but they exclude themselves, building an ever greater wall that separates us. I would further offer that the tone of this thread and the many others like it only serve to add yet another brick to that wall.
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Jimmy_B said:
All this talk about Christian “charity” from Protestants here, seems not to apply to Catholics who will not yield or compromise their faith for the sake of ecumenicalism. I will not compromise any beliefs that I have in any Christian truth found in Catholicism, so that you or others here, who reject Christian truths, might “like me"…sorry.
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No, you should not compromise your beliefs. I do not believe anyone here is asking you to do so (even though that is what you are asking of others). HOWEVER, as you hold those beliefs in your heart, I would urge you to be more circumspect in how you deliver that message. Your (stated) goal may well be good but your methods contravene that purpose.
Jimmy_B said:
There are many evil, offensive and dangerous things in this world and it is not my threads. I believe that there are some here who have completely lost their perspective. Too many spoiled brats today (in general).
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Indeed there are “many evil, offensive and dangerous things in this world” but let’s save those for another thread. You created this one with the subject and title you chose so while we are here, let us stick to that.

And finally, do you not see the–I’ll be charitable and call it ironic–juxtaposition that in the same post wherein you bemoan people who “when they don’t get their way, the first thing they will do is to start insulting others and start with the name-calling” and then you essentially call all those who take issue with your thread “spoiled brats”?
 
Something to keep mind, from the CCC:
**817 **In fact, “in this one and only Church of God from its very beginnings there arose certain rifts, which the Apostle strongly censures as damnable. But in subsequent centuries much more serious dissensions appeared and large communities became separated from full communion with the Catholic Church - for which, often enough, men of both sides were to blame.” The ruptures that wound the unity of Christ’s Body - here we must distinguish heresy, apostasy, and schism - do not occur without human sin: Where there are sins, there are also divisions, schisms, heresies, and disputes. Where there is virtue, however, there also are harmony and unity, from which arise the one heart and one soul of all believers.
**818 **“However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers. . . . All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church.”
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**819 **"Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth" are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: “the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements.” Christ’s Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him, and are in themselves calls to “Catholic unity.”
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And on Unity:
**820 **“Christ bestowed unity on his Church from the beginning. This unity, we believe, subsists in the Catholic Church as something she can never lose, and we hope that it will continue to increase until the end of time.” Christ always gives his Church the gift of unity, but the Church must always pray and work to maintain, reinforce, and perfect the unity that Christ wills for her. This is why Jesus himself prayed at the hour of his Passion, and does not cease praying to his Father, for the unity of his disciples: “That they may all be one. As you, Father, are in me and I am in you, may they also be one in us, . . . so that the world may know that you have sent me.” The desire to recover the unity of all Christians is a gift of Christ and a call of the Holy Spirit.

**821 **Certain things are required in order to respond adequately to this call: - a permanent *renewal *of the Church in greater fidelity to her vocation; such renewal is the driving-force of the movement toward unity;
  • conversion of heart as the faithful “try to live holier lives according to the Gospel”; for it is the unfaithfulness of the members to Christ’s gift which causes divisions;
  • prayer in common, because “change of heart and holiness of life, along with public and private prayer for the unity of Christians, should be regarded as the soul of the whole ecumenical movement, and merits the name 'spiritual ecumenism;”’
    - fraternal knowledge of each other**;
    - ecumenical formation of the faithful and especially of priests;
    **- *dialogue ***among theologians and meetings among Christians of the different churches and communities;
    **- *collaboration ***among Christians in various areas of service to mankind. “Human service” is the idiomatic phrase.
    **822 **Concern for achieving unity “involves the whole Church, faithful and clergy alike.” But we must realize “that this holy objective - the reconciliation of all Christians in the unity of the one and only Church of Christ - transcends human powers and gifts.” That is why we place all our hope “in the prayer of Christ for the Church, in the love of the Father for us, and in the power of the Holy Spirit.”
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Emphasis is mine. I don’t know why so many Catholics seem to ignore a very important part of our Catechism.
 
Anamchara,

Excellent post! It would also be good for Jimmy to read the entire document of V-II on ecumenism for the fuller teaching of our Church.

Here it is … TEST time! I wonder if our OP, simply by reading the CCC articles you posted, will respond as he expects a noncatholic to do - immediately accept it, because there it is in black and white before his eyes? All we have to do is print the truth and make them read it, right? :whistle:
 
Bill McNabb, writing in The Door, told about an old seminary professor of his who began and ended his apologetics lecture with one sentence: “You defend God like you defend a lion – you get out of his way.”

If you read biblical history as well as modern history, it’s clear that God never had trouble with his enemies; it’s his friends who gave Him fits!

Catholic theologian Karl Rahner said it another way: “The number one cause of atheism is Christians. Those who proclaim God with their mouths and deny Him with their lifestyles is what an unbelieving world finds simply unbelievable.”

People are watching us. Are we a beacon, or a detractor?

At times, internet forums and bulletin boards resemble less the Kingdom of God and more a noisy gong and clanging cymbal. The two anecdotes above suggest that at times, our best defense of God might be to just keep our mouths shut and simply live like He told us to. The gospel message and incarnate Christ would then have such power and attraction that we wouldn’t have to worry about defending it.

Studying Christian apologetics can tell us much about the faith, and much about our personal and corporate relationship with Christ. But the danger of Christian apologetics is that it becomes its own religion and passion - and instead of Christ crucified and resurrected being proclaimed, we get bogged down into the details and point the finger instead. As a result, the casual onlooker or seeker, the one struggling with the faith, or the one who has never heard or known, says, “I don’t know what this is, but I’m certain I want no part of it.”

The Great Commission is to go and make disciples, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit; it is not to turn people off. In an increasingly secular world, the burden is on us, not them. In fact - it’s always supposed to have been that way.

Just a thought.

O+
 
O.S.Luke said:
Bill McNabb, writing in The Door, told about an old seminary professor of his who began and ended his apologetics lecture with one sentence: “You defend God like you defend a lion – you get out of his way.”

If you read biblical history as well as modern history, it’s clear that God never had trouble with his enemies; it’s his friends who gave Him fits!

Catholic theologian Karl Rahner said it another way: “The number one cause of atheism is Christians. Those who proclaim God with their mouths and deny Him with their lifestyles is what an unbelieving world finds simply unbelievable.”

People are watching us. Are we a beacon, or a detractor?

At times, internet forums and bulletin boards resemble less the Kingdom of God and more a noisy gong and clanging cymbal. The two anecdotes above suggest that at times, our best defense of God might be to just keep our mouths shut and simply live like He told us to. The gospel message and incarnate Christ would then have such power and attraction that we wouldn’t have to worry about defending it.

Studying Christian apologetics can tell us much about the faith, and much about our personal and corporate relationship with Christ. But the danger of Christian apologetics is that it becomes its own religion and passion - and instead of Christ crucified and resurrected being proclaimed, we get bogged down into the details and point the finger instead. As a result, the casual onlooker or seeker, the one struggling with the faith, or the one who has never heard or known, says, “I don’t know what this is, but I’m certain I want no part of it.”

The Great Commission is to go and make disciples, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit; it is not to turn people off. In an increasingly secular world, the burden is on us, not them. In fact - it’s always supposed to have been that way.

Just a thought.

O+
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This is beautifully written, thank you. I’ve always been very proud of everything I learned growing up as a United Methodist and this post perfectly defines why.
 
Strummer said:
Excuse me? OSL is referencing the very title of this thread you created. How much more “on topic” could he be? You included yourself in this question, whether intentionally or not. If you would like to backtrack from that stance, you have the opportunity here and now to admit to your poor word choice but I doubt that will shake many here off because the ugly implications of this thread will be attached to the OP.

I realize that personal anecdotes can hardly count as definitive “proof” but I will share this one, tiny glimpse into the ecumenical world… I have been, at one time, an elder in the Presbyterian Church. Elders, as a collective body, called “the session”, serve as the decision-making authority for the parish. While serving on Session, I was on a sub-committee tasked to gather the area churches for a ecumenical Thanksgiving worship service. We were joined by Korean-based Presbyterian church in the area, a Wesleyan church from down the street, and a Mennonite church within view of our church. The only hold out was the Catholic church right across the street.
So, in my personal experience it is not that Catholics are excluded but they exclude themselves, building an ever greater wall that separates us. I would further offer that the tone of this thread and the many others like it only serve to add yet another brick to that wall.
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Hello Strummer,

The question, “Am I right?”, refers back to the original question and indicates that I am the person asking the question.

These forums are named “Catholic Answers” because people here have Catholic questions. We are here to ask and to find the answers to Catholic questions and not here to “preach” or to prostylize.

Rude and personal comments, work to kill a civil discussion and are off-topic here. Posters here are never the topic. We are here to discuss the differences, divisions and in many cases, the similarities found in Christianity today.

I was looking for a theological response and instead received a personal attack, which was off-topic".

I am not the topic here and responses like his appear to be a violation of forum rules and do not help to further the conversation here:
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  1. *]Messages posted to this board must be polite and free of personal attacks…etc…
    **Thank you for your comments, some of which I agree with and I hope this helps. I look forward to reading more of your posts in the future.

    God Bless you.
 
**Joysong you wrote - **
"No, Jimmy, I was not comparing you to the possessed girl, but to the “in your face” proselytizing that she engaged in, which ruined any chance of authentic ministry by St. Paul".
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**Joysong, **

I hate to correct you but yes, your post here was directed towards me…please read posts numbers 39 and 40.

This post from Julianna was for me. The only thing worse than doing something wrong, is not admitting that you were wrong.

**Julianna’s post to me - **
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**Originally Posted by Julianna **
The links you posted are “baiting”, plain and simple…
to make a long story short…
No, you are NOT right…
Here is your responce to this (above) post (in blue. was underlined by me to emphasize my point here) -
'I agree,
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*** Julianna. This reminds me of the incident where St. Paul was pursued by a possessed girl. ’

Then you provided these Bible verses, below -
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**Originally Posted by Acts 16 **
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***As we were going to the place of prayer, we met a slave girl with an divining spirit, who used to bring a large profit to her owners through her fortune-telling. ***
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She began to follow Paul and us, shouting, “These people are slaves of the Most High God, who proclaim to you a way of salvation.” *
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She did this for many days. Paul became annoyed, turned, and said to the spirit, “I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her.” Then it came out at that moment.
You continued –
Strange, isn’t it? She was telling the TRUTH, but her overkill was driving people away from Paul’s message, rather than bringing people to him.
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Sure looks like you are comparing me to the possessed girl in Act 16. Just trying to keep people honest here… Please read your previous posts and this might help. Your post was clearly directed at me. So, my original response stands.

**Now, back to this thread; **

Do you believe that the links, I provided (in post #1) contain sites that Protestants don’t want Catholics to visit?

And

Do you have any good links that you would like to post here?

I will pray for you.

God bless you!
 
I hate to correct you but yes, your post here was directed towards me…please read posts numbers 39 and 40.
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No, you don’t “hate” to correct me. You love it. And yes, I did direct the post to you, especially these words which were contained therein.
It may be similar here. The OP’s overkill with scores of threads that bait and flame are not going to produce a single convert, for they are filled with condemnation of the very people Jesus died to save; i.e., ALL MEN.
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Re the possessed girl, note well that I did not say you were possessed, but I equated your ‘action’ with that of the girl, as I explained clearly - proselytizing to the point of ruining St. Paul’s authentic ministry.

To answer your other question, yes, I am a saint. My feast day is November 1st.
 
Jimmy_B said:
Here are some links that Protestants don’t want you to visit…

Am I right? Your thoughts?
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NO NO NO. Plain and simple. If a Protestant wants to visit them then so be it. I’ve read plenty of Scott Hahn’s rubbish and simply don’t agree with him. But then there are plenty of Catechisms I think are absolutely right on the money and explain things in words that help you understand where the RCC is coming from.

Jimmy if you are so secure in your faith as an RC then why worry about Protestants? If you’re underlying motive is to help Non-Roman Catholics see the truth then start by understanding what truths they believe in first. Instead you start by creating threads with titles that are sure to start an argument and then you try to call yourself an apologist defending the RCC. I’ve never seen a Priest act this way nor do I think that your parish Priest would approve of your conversations. Seek to understand first instead of being understood.
 
NDfan said:
NO NO NO. Plain and simple. If a Protestant wants to visit them then so be it. I’ve read plenty of Scott Hahn’s rubbish and simply don’t agree with him. But then there are plenty of Catechisms I think are absolutely right on the money and explain things in words that help you understand where the RCC is coming from.

Jimmy if you are so secure in your faith as an RC then why worry about Protestants? If you’re underlying motive is to help Non-Roman Catholics see the truth then start by understanding what truths they believe in first. Instead you start by creating threads with titles that are sure to start an argument and then you try to call yourself an apologist defending the RCC. I’ve never seen a Priest act this way nor do I think that your parish Priest would approve of your conversations. Seek to understand first instead of being understood.
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Thanks, I thought I was the only one to see Jimmy’s slanted polls and questions and obvious agenda.
 
Jimmy_B said:
Here are some links that Protestants don’t want you to visit…

Am I right? Your thoughts?
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Why would Protestants not want people to visit these sites?

I wish you would stop pretending that you understand how Protestants think.

Edwin
 
Jimmy_B said:
I posted that picture in humor.

Some people here need to lighten-up.

Coming from you, that’s truly hilarious!

All this talk about Christian “charity” from Protestants here, seems not to apply to Catholics who will not yield or compromise their faith for the sake of ecumenicalism.
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You’ve been called on this before. You have never been able to point to any way in which you have been asked to compromise your faith. You just use this “I will not compromise” language as a smoke screen.

Give one example of one doctrine you think people want you to compromise. People don’t get upset with you because of your doctrine. They get upset with you because you are rude and belligerent and don’t even bother to discuss substantive issues. (The OP has absolutely no doctrinal substance whatever–it’s a completely pointless post.)

Edwin
 
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