Hermit monks plan monastery on remote Wyo. ranch [Incomprehensible Opposition to Catholic Monastery in Wyoming]

[zdon011]

I think I might go try that Mystic Monk coffee (not sure I’m allowed to post a link here, but I did Google it and they do have a website!)

I went to the site, and found that the master coffee roaster is Brother Java. Isn’t that cool?
mysticmonkcoffee.com/monks.html

 

[Hopemercy]

Yet another nail in the coffin of true monasticism, which is based on simplicity and Holy Poverty and not on what is truly a monstrous edifice… in a wolrld and indeed a land where thousands are homeless and starving… what a terrible example to the world is this.

here in Ireland, we are seeing similar huge edifices eg Mercy Convents, sold off at high prices… ask google for Mercy Convents in Kinsale, Skibbereen, Clonakility…

God does not honour these worldly ways. He honours those monastics who truly love Him and His needy ones. Living humbly in Prayer .

So sad to see this happening in this day and age… the true witness to Jesus is a life lived in simplicity and poverty, as Jesus lived Himself.

How many could be saved from death with the money squandered in this way. So very sad, so very, very sad.

 

[Another_Mary]

I think I might go try that Mystic Monk coffee (not sure I’m allowed to post a link here, but I did Google it and they do have a website!)

I have been having whole beans shipped to me automatically for quite some time. I love the stuff and am glad to help them out.

I just hope there are no complaints that their coffee roasting is polluting the air…

 

[AnotherVoice]

There is a true beauty here. A few years ago less than ten monks started the formation of a community; they had very little other than faith and prayer to keep them going. They worked hard, prayed, sold coffee and CDs and now they can embark upon building a beautiful house of worship.

Actually, their first CD had a rough sketch of a cathedral on the cover, at that time it was a dream. Soon that dream may become a reality. I have been drinking Mystic Monk coffee for a few years and it is tasting better and better every day.

 

[fkjuliano]

Yet another nail in the coffin of true monasticism, which is based on simplicity and Holy Poverty and not on what is truly a monstrous edifice… in a wolrld and indeed a land where thousands are homeless and starving… what a terrible example to the world is this.

here in Ireland, we are seeing similar huge edifices eg Mercy Convents, sold off at high prices… ask google for Mercy Convents in Kinsale, Skibbereen, Clonakility…

God does not honour these worldly ways. He honours those monastics who truly love Him and His needy ones. Living humbly in Prayer .

So sad to see this happening in this day and age… the true witness to Jesus is a life lived in simplicity and poverty, as Jesus lived Himself.

How many could be saved from death with the money squandered in this way. So very sad, so very, very sad.

Your point of view, that material resources should not be spent to honor God, is short-sighted and demonstrably in error, as the following passage clearly demonstrates. As God created all of the material world, it is only fitting for us to give back to Him a small portion of all He has given us. That is precisely what the monks from Wyoming are doing, and it is laudable. As to the sale of ancient monasteries in Ireland (presumably for conversion to condos), that is lamentable.

[BIBLEDRB]Matthew 26:6-13[/BIBLEDRB]

 

[Red_Wolf]

They got their permission!!!

If any of you flat landers are wondering where this is, it is c. 30 miles (or so) east of the SE corner of Yellowstone National Park and c. 20 miles south of Cody, Wyoming (news had me confused, saying it was NW). Basically, from the junction of Wyoming State Highways 120 & 30 (don’t blink while you’re looking for it), hang due west (on a hint of a county road) and follow it (c.10-15 miles, don’t take no turn offs) until you’re about 5- 6 miles east of the Shoshone National Forest. From that point, I ain’t too sure. Doubt that the Gothic monastery or 15 story spire will be visibile enough, in that terrain, to give one much help.

gillettenewsrecord.com/articles/2010/10/06/news/state_news/news75.txt

The Park County Commission on Tuesday unanimously approved two permits for a 144,000-square-foot French Gothic-style monastery and coffee roasting barn on a remote, 2,500-acre ranch near Meeteetse.

The Monks of the Most Blessed Virgin Mary of Mt. Carmel are looking for more room to meet their expanding order and maintain their privacy. There are currently 18 monks in the order, which requires a secluded, Spartan life of prayer and mediation.

Some of the neighboring ranch owners object to the monastery plans, citing concerns about traffic, wildlife, water — and questioning whether the massive stone structure fits with the rural landscape.

But the monks and the neighbors reached a private agreement on the issues, and only one person stood up before the county commission in Cody to question the permits, county Planning Director Linda Gillett said.

Michael LaBazzo, an attorney representing the monks, said construction on the monastery is scheduled to start next April. Work to improve a private road to the site and drill a water well is to be done by the end of this year, he said.

The county commission gave the monks more time than usual under the permits to build the monastery, LaBazzo said.

“We have a total of four years from today to complete and occupy the premises,” he said Tuesday. “But the contractors … have told us somewhere between 30 months, give or take a little bit for the actual construction, so we’ll be well within that four year total period if we can get started in April.”

 

[Beau_Ouiville]

I do admit though, I’m having a hard time picturing a Gothic Cathedral jutting up from the middle of nowhere Wyoming!

It kind of reminds me of the Mormon temple near DC. On the beltway you can see nothing but trees. Then, all of a sudden, there is a Gothic building rising out of the mist …

 

[Dale_M]

It kind of reminds me of the Mormon temple near DC. On the beltway you can see nothing but trees. Then, all of a sudden, there is a Gothic building rising out of the mist .

I’ve wondered if Mormon temples aren’t deliberately sited to be visible from the freeway. In Oakland, CA a similar situation occurs… heading south on I-580, which is sometimes slow going due to traffic, there is a point in which the LDS temple is directly in front of the roadway, on top of a hill. It really stands out.

 

[unafraid]

Our Lord Jesus Christ spent forty days and forty nights battling Satan in the wilderness. I can think of no better place to build a cathedral to mark His victory.

 

[Dale_M]

The county’s decision to grant the permit was made significantly easier by a settlement signed last Friday by the monks and the landowners who had been protesting. The landowners waived their right to seek court action in exchange for an agreement to limit the traffic on the road. The monks agreed to post signs discouraging uninvited visitors, and to limit the number of occasions which a large number of guests might be invited e.g. for an ordination, when 150 people might be invited.
powelltribune.com/index.php/content/view/3764/1/

News reports from a week ago indicate that the monks foundation had $4.7 million in 2009, which should allow them to make a significant down payment and get good credit terms for this large project.
billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/wyoming/article_797998be-ce9c-11df-b04e-001cc4c002e0.html

 

[estesbob]

Now that you mention it there is such a steeple visible to the South of I-70, seems like it was in the vicinity of Abilene or maybe more to the West.

Cathedral of the plains in Victoria Kansas

 

[RUNE190]

Isn’t it amazing. So many have no problem with a Mosque being built at ground zero but there are those who have a problem with a Monastery being built somewhere in the wilds of Wyoming.

 

[Beau_Ouiville]

Isn’t it amazing. So many have no problem with a Mosque being built at ground zero but there are those who have a problem with a Monastery being built somewhere in the wilds of Wyoming.

Just like the case on this forum with the bells ringing in Philly. Folks supported a variance from the noise ordinance for a church sounding off at 6 am but if it had been a Muslim calling the faithful to prayer, the conservatives would have been incensed.

Go figure.

 

[57classic]

Cathedral of the plains in Victoria Kansas

And if you think the outside is beautiful:
kansastravel.org/cathedralofheplains.htm

 

[RUNE190]

Beau Ouiville…I wouldn’t have any problem with bells at 6AM. I lived in Milwaukee, WI for a time when I was young. Street cars went by all the time. You get used to it. After a while, you don’t even hear them. I don’t think the conservatives would have a problem with Muslims calling members to prayer. Just because you say it would happen, doesn’t make it so.

 

[1234]

Why does everyone ignore WHAT JESUS SAID, in Matthew 6:19

bible.cc/matthew/6-19.htm

(Chose your preferred translation):

King James:

Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

I personally find the huge LDS temples with their gigantic spires very offensive. Something like this doesn’t belong in rural Wyoming. The Gothic cathedrals in Europe, first of all, aren’t nearly that tall, with the exception of the cathedral in Cologne, which I think is not attractive, and is and always was–urban, in the middle of the city. I also think that the idea of the huge monastery and beetling spire is against the vow of poverty. The successful nuns of St. Walburga in northern CO (www.walburga. org) near the WY border have a beautiful monastery which blends in very well with the surroundings, which are similar to the monks, who, by the way, are not members of the Carmelite order (according to regular poster Ocarm, who is).

 

[RUNE190]

I don’t understand the problem. It is in rural Wyoming. In the whole scheme of things, how important is it whether the design of the Monastery blends in with the scenery or not. If the church can afford such opulence, why not. Look at our churches, are those also offensive? They, too, are quite grand. Consideriing the use of the Monastery, I say have at it.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

Just like the case on this forum with the bells ringing in Philly. Folks supported a variance from the noise ordinance for a church sounding off at 6 am but if it had been a Muslim calling the faithful to prayer, the conservatives would have been incensed.

Go figure.

And as a variance (an official dispensation to act contrary to a rule or regulation) to the local noise ordinace was granted it would be right for anyone to support or not support it for any reason.

My guess is that is was supported by this community is becuase a majority of them are Catholic/Christian and have no problem with a Catholic Church’s bells ringing. Now if a Muslim call to prayer was not granted a variance or was and people were upset it would behove us to look at the make up of the community, if the majority was not muslim then why should they have to put up with it when it violates the local noise ordinance?

Just another unwarranted attack on “conservatives”.

Go figure.

 

[Beau_Ouiville]

Now if a Muslim call to prayer was not granted a variance or was and people were upset it would behove us to look at the make up of the community, if the majority was not muslim then why should they have to put up with it when it violates the local noise ordinance?

That’s the problem with freedom of religion – it applies to all religions. If you allow one noise variance one probably would have to allow another.

Just another unwarranted attack on “conservatives”.

Go figure.

Did you see the thread on the monks in Montana? Liberals had nothing to do with that but they sure got slammed in that thread. An unwarranted attack on conservatives? I prefer ‘clever riposte’.

 

[57classic]

Why does everyone ignore WHAT JESUS SAID, in Matthew 6:19

bible.cc/matthew/6-19.htm

(Chose your preferred translation):

King James:

Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

I personally find the huge LDS temples with their gigantic spires very offensive. Something like this doesn’t belong in rural Wyoming. The Gothic cathedrals in Europe, first of all, aren’t nearly that tall, with the exception of the cathedral in Cologne, which I think is not attractive, and is and always was–urban, in the middle of the city. I also think that the idea of the huge monastery and beetling spire is against the vow of poverty. The successful nuns of St. Walburga in northern CO (www.walburga. org) near the WY border have a beautiful monastery which blends in very well with the surroundings, which are similar to the monks, who, by the way, are not members of the Carmelite order (according to regular poster Ocarm, who is).

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I found the St. Walburga monastery rather cold in atmosphere, not awe inspiring which feeds the eye AND the soul. I for one am tired of uninspiring churches, causal dress and casual attitudes. Gothic spires, traditional chant and high expectations of dress and behavior are not bad things.