hey ATHIESTS, was Hitler right?

[Laurent_LUG]

Was hitler wrong in killing 6 million plus people, mostly jews?

if not, why?

if yes, why?

simple question, which no athiest can seem to answer.

First off all , can you ??

if not , why ??
Whoever agrees on that one is just a one big hell of a sick weirdo !!!

if yes , why ??
He was wrong in let killing everyone !!!
Killing people for your sick ideals ,
come on , how sick you must be !!

What’s so funny about killing people ???

Salute & Cheers from a NON BELIEVER:
– Laurent LUG (.@…), january 18, 2008

 

[ralphinal]

First off all , can you ??

if not , why ??
Whoever agrees on that one is just a one big hell of a sick weirdo !!!

if yes , why ??
He was wrong in let killing everyone !!!
Killing people for your sick ideals ,
come on , how sick you must be !!

What’s so funny about killing people ???

Salute & Cheers from a NON BELIEVER:
– Laurent LUG (.@…), january 18, 2008

Laurent,
Hello and welcome!! I hope you enjoy your time here. The poster would like a reason that it is wrong and sick to kill someone from a non-believer’s point of view. We are not discussing the validity of the question (we did that for a long time). He wants to know what gives human life value if you have no faith system

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

Sources, please.

you can start here.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism_and_religion

Hitler,though may have been born and raised Catholic was in no way a follower for Christ or the Church.

 

[Laurent_LUG]

Laurent,
Hello and welcome!! I hope you enjoy your time here. The poster would like a reason that it is wrong and sick to kill someone from a non-believer’s point of view. We are not discussing the validity of the question (we did that for a long time). He wants to know what gives human life value if you have no faith system

How’s life started ??
And why we’re all die ??

Or a very though question:
If it is written when we all gonna die ,
in that case are those victims , written victims ,
or has the madman hitler decide to kill them
for his own purpose ??
How becomes someone so sick he or she wants to commit murder
(wants) to create the übermensch ??
His blind created hate made him real furious blind ,
his brains became sick , or where already sick
since the day he was made !!
So that means his parents & earlier (??) must be crazy too ??
In case of bad influence , brainwashing , etc …
a kind hypnosing is the result !!
I don’t get why people (like to) murder people !!
Also all those tests they commit on their victims … sick minded !!
But sadistic said , strange enough we have learned from !!

Salute & Cheers from a NON BELIEVER:
– Laurent LUG (.@…), january 18, 2008

 

[CalmDownWisWins]

Quote:
Originally Posted by justinthemartyr
Was hitler wrong in killing 6 million plus people, mostly jews?

if not, why?

if yes, why?

simple question, which no athiest can seem to answer.

First off all , can you ??

Yes. Hitler was wrong because He did evil as defined by God. He may also have done “evil” as defined by “an unbeliever”, but why does an “unbeliever” consider Hitler’s “evils” evils? That is the question. Please try to answer THAT question. Thanks.

if not , why ??

Whoever agrees on that one is just a one big hell of a sick weirdo !!!

Why are those who think that Hitler was “not evil” by doing what he did, incorrect in that conclusion? There’s another question for you to answer.

if yes , why ??

He was wrong in let killing everyone !!!

Killing people for your sick ideals ,
come on , how sick you must be !!

Why are those ideas “sick”, Laurent?

What’s so funny about killing people ???

Many people “kill” things in video-games. Why can that be “acceptably funny”, and killing people who mean **precisely **as much to the killer as video-game “characters” be “not funny”?

 

[Laurent_LUG]

Yes. Hitler was wrong because He did evil as defined by God. He may also have done “evil” as defined by “an unbeliever”, but why does an “unbeliever” consider Hitler’s “evils” evils? That is the question. Please try to answer THAT question. Thanks.

that’s the problem , created by mankind !!

Why are those who think that Hitler was “not evil” by doing what he did, incorrect in that conclusion? There’s another question for you to answer.

Read stormfront & mootsf and you will perfectly find out why !!

I’ve seen another link , I really don’t dare to place it !!
It’s really gonna violate the rules & terms !!

But to try to answer on my own:
what is wrong with not to belong to the arian race ??
Books like mein kampf , it makes me puke ,
no respect for other life , pure sadism !!!
The term ubermensch ,
you must be sickminded to accept such rubbish !!

Why are those ideas “sick”, Laurent?

Simply , creation of the ubermensch !!
Some are born handicapted , in fact , everyone has a(nother) handicap !!
If we were perfect , should we live ??
We are imperfect , should we have to die ??

Many people “kill” things in video-games. Why can that be “acceptably funny”, and killing people who mean **precisely **as much to the killer as video-game “characters” be “not funny”?

There is a difference between killing things in
a videogame or in reality !!

A videogame is just a toy !! But …
But , some use such games to brainwash people ,
or some takes it bloody serious , as a command / voice
which tells them to kill in reality !!
Reality is in real life , reality , present !!

Salute & Cheers from a NON BELIEVER:
– Laurent LUG (.@…), january 18, 2008

 

[CalmDownWisWins]

Quote:
Originally Posted by CalmDownWisWins
Yes. Hitler was wrong because He did evil as defined by God. He may also have done “evil” as defined by “an unbeliever”, but why does an “unbeliever” consider Hitler’s “evils” evils? That is the question. Please try to answer THAT question. Thanks.

that’s the problem , created by mankind !!

We can certainly agree to disagree that God is a creation of mankind, if that’s what you meant.

 

[CalmDownWisWins]

Quote:
Why are those who think that Hitler was “not evil” by doing what he did, incorrect in that conclusion? There’s another question for you to answer.

Read stormfront & mootsf and you will perfectly find out why !!

I’ve seen another link , I really don’t dare to place it !!
It’s really gonna violate the rules & terms !!

But to try to answer on my own:
what is wrong with not to belong to the arian race ??
Books like mein kampf , it makes me puke ,
no respect for other life , pure sadism !!!
The term ubermensch ,
you must be sickminded to accept such rubbish !!

I certainly agree with you that Hitler’s ideas were evil, by why do you consider them TO BE EVIL?

If you could please give a reason, other than “it’s obvious”, as to why you consider Hitler’s ideas to be evil, we’d all be very grateful.

 

[CalmDownWisWins]

Quote:
Why are those ideas “sick”, Laurent?

Simply , creation of the ubermensch !!
Some are born handicapted , in fact , everyone has a(nother) handicap !!

If we were perfect , should we live ??
We are imperfect , should we have to die ??

Well, we’re getting closer, I suppose.

Why is imperfection not worthy of death?

 

[CalmDownWisWins]

Quote:
Many people “kill” things in video-games. Why can that be “acceptably funny”, and killing people who mean precisely as much to the killer as video-game “characters” be “not funny”?

There is a difference between killing things in
a videogame or in reality !!

What is the difference as it affects whether it’s acceptable or not?

A videogame is just a toy !! But …
But , some use such games to brainwash people ,
or some takes it bloody serious , as a command / voice
which tells them to kill in reality !!
Reality is in real life , reality , present !!

What is it about “real people” that makes murdering them an “evil”?

 

[Laurent_LUG]

We can certainly agree to disagree that God is a creation of mankind, if that’s what you meant.

To prefend a misunderstanding:

To me , it’s only a creation of mankind !!

If you could please give a reason, other than “it’s obvious”, as to why you consider Hitler’s ideas to be evil, we’d all be very grateful.

Hitler showed no respect for life at all !!
If you watch his face , it’s not even a typical arian-face !!

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No excuse , but …
English is not my native language

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Salute & Cheers from a NON BELIEVER:
– Laurent LUG (.@…), january 18, 2008

 

[CalmDownWisWins]

Quote:
Originally Posted by CalmDownWisWins
We can certainly agree to disagree that God is a creation of mankind, if that’s what you meant.

To prefend a misunderstanding:

To me , it’s only a creation of mankind !!

No excuse , but …
English is not my native language

Your english is better than my french! I admire you greatly in your attempt to communicate in a language which you aren’t perfect in! Of course, no one’s perfect in ANY language, so it’s a pleasure to speak with one who’s working on improving their less well known language.

Anyway, what “absolute rule” is there that makes murder a bad thing, and how was that rule “created/discovered”?

 

[CalmDownWisWins]

Quote:
Originally Posted by CalmDownWisWins
If you could please give a reason, other than “it’s obvious”, as to why you consider Hitler’s ideas to be evil, we’d all be very grateful.

Hitler showed no respect for life at all !!
If you watch his face , it’s not even a typical arian-face !!

Why is “respect for life” a good thing?

If “respect for life” stands in the way of a “greater good”, such as being more efficient in making “my people” more comfortable, happy, well fed, better educated, etc, why should “respect for life” be tolerated when “my people” are clamoring for what they want and which I’m in the position to give them?

 

[Laurent_LUG]

Anyway, what “absolute rule” is there that makes murder a bad thing, and how was that rule “created/discovered”?

What about death row ??
Can you accept some will be execute after killing (for example) 50 people ??
Strange enough I’m not completely against ,
but once you pull over the plug , there is no return anymore !!
In some cases , some people on death row are innocent ,
but still become executed before evidences shows up !!
Is it worth to get/take that risk ??

I thinks the following things are worth to read:
We Become What We Hate (google)

Revenge is sweet ??
Don’t Get Mad , Get Even ??
You Become What you Hate !!

Animals in nature kills another animal to survive !!
Why than man kills another man is murder in most cases ??
Google: When Does it Become Murder ??

Salute & Cheers from a NON BELIEVER:
– Laurent LUG (.@…), january 18, 2008

PS: Give me little moment to answer ,
it all goes way too fast , you know , I’m a slow writer

 

[Laurent_LUG]

What is the difference as it affects whether it’s acceptable or not?

A videogame is just fiction ,
only it is a person who created this game !!
So , the creator must be nuts ??

What is it about “real people” that makes murdering them an “evil”?

I don’t understand the mind of such people (murderer) !!
The same counts people who wanna become drunk ,
or takes drugs !!
Anyway , killing people for fun , by payment , or out of revenge
is having no respect for life !!
In fact , they don’t respect themselves !!
Why do such people live or are created ??

Why is “respect for life” a good thing?

Mom & Dad

If “respect for life” stands in the way of a “greater good”, such as being more efficient in making “my people” more comfortable, happy, well fed, better educated, etc, why should “respect for life” be tolerated when “my people” are clamoring for what they want and which I’m in the position to give them?

All those things could make you happier ,
but/and have nothing to with respect !!

Next time , I’ll take more time to answer ,
or to improve my already given answers !!

Salute & Cheers from a NON BELIEVER:
– Laurent LUG (.@…), january 18, 2008

 

[CalmDownWisWins]

Quote:
Originally Posted by CalmDownWisWins
Anyway, what “absolute rule” is there that makes murder a bad thing, and how was that rule “created/discovered”?

What about death row ??
Can you accept some will be execute after killing (for example) 50 people ??
Strange enough I’m not completely against ,
but once you pull over the plug , there is no return anymore !!
In some cases , some people on death row are innocent ,
but still become executed before evidences shows up !!
Is it worth to get/take that risk ??

By “murder” I mean “bad killing” (an evil). Assuming that it is WRONG to murder someone, WHY is it wrong to murder them?

The question is what “rule” you use to decide that murder is wrong, and where that “rule” came from?

 

[CalmDownWisWins]

Quote:
Originally Posted by CalmDownWisWins
What is the difference as it affects whether it’s acceptable or not?

A videogame is just fiction ,
only it is a person who created this game !!
So , the creator must be nuts ??

So, it’s OK to murder “not real” people, but not OK to murder “real” people?

If I call you a “not real” person, because of some characteristic of yours, then is it OK for me to murder you?

 

[CalmDownWisWins]

Quote:
If “respect for life” stands in the way of a “greater good”, such as being more efficient in making “my people” more comfortable, happy, well fed, better educated, etc, why should “respect for life” be tolerated when “my people” are clamoring for what they want and which I’m in the position to give them?

All those things could make you happier ,
but/and have nothing to with respect !!

Why is “respect for life” preferable to the “greater good”, using the above definition of “greater good”?

 

[Laurent_LUG]

By “murder” I mean “bad killing” (an evil). Assuming that it is WRONG to murder someone, WHY is it wrong to murder them?

The question is what “rule” you use to decide that murder is wrong, and where that “rule” came from?

My conscience says , don’t do it !!
If you see all those killings on screen ,
I get sick to see so much pain & sadness !!
1 Big question: why , why , why , WHY ???

Like once (I think somewhere in the sixties) ,
I saw it much later on , somewhere in the eighties ,
(in Africa) they showed an interview of inhumans ,
they had captured an enemy , they were hurting him by
hitting this person , and suddenly someone says
this prisoner is just trash , and so he shot him on screen !!
The killer is later on captured and excuted !!

Also something likeable on screen somewhere in Asia (??) !!
A prisoner on the road ,
they just shot this person in front of the camera ,
like it was filthy trash !!

By murdering someone , (never tried) , only for some
it gives them a temporarely “satisfaction” !!
But , after a while , I think I really would feel myself
a miserable bloody trash-punk !!

If you kill someone by accident for example ,
a car crash , guilty or not , (never witnessed such one) ,
I think it signs you for life !!

Also my parents have learned me a lot of things !!

So, it’s OK to murder “not real” people, but not OK to murder “real” people?

If I call you a “not real” person, because of some characteristic of yours, then is it OK for me to murder you?

Absolutely , NO !!

The problem is , (repeat) some take such videogame for real !!
They can make you violent / aggressive !!
They smack you up even before you know it yourself !!
I never buy or download such trash !!

fortbendnow.com/news/2850/fbisd-police-found-5-swords-at-home-of-student-removed-from-clements-over-computer-game

A crazy played example how people can become crazy:

Google , and insert the following tags:
german boy hissy fit - GameSpot-

(German spoken , actually German yelling)

This one is without subtitles !!
WARNING:
This video contains explicite swearing
(you can also find one subtitled in English)
If it is too , the moderator may delete this link ,
no problem at all !!

Why is “respect for life” preferable to the “greater good”, using the above definition of “greater good”?

Things are just stuff / things !!
Life is what we make it !!

I’m a disable person , even I have a computer , TV , etc … ,
even I’ve got all those things , it would be better I had no handicap !!!
It is an obstacle which hindrance me for doing many things !!

Salute & Cheers from a NON BELIEVER:
– Laurent LUG (.@…), january 19, 2008

 

[CalmDownWisWins]

Quote:
Originally Posted by CalmDownWisWins
By “murder” I mean “bad killing” (an evil). Assuming that it is WRONG to murder someone, WHY is it wrong to murder them?

The question is what “rule” you use to decide that murder is wrong, and where that “rule” came from?

My conscience says , don’t do it !!
If you see all those killings on screen ,
I get sick to see so much pain & sadness !!
1 Big question: why , why , why , WHY ???

Why indeed! And if it is your conscience which tells you that murder is bad, why does it tell you that? How does it know? How did “it”, your conscience, come to a conclusion that “you” had nothing to do with?

Is your conscience something OTHER than you? If so, what is it and/or where did it come from? If it IS of you, how did you decide that murder was a bad thing?