Hey Episcopals, are you joining the Anglican Church?

[firstmode]

Many Episcopals have left the denomination (Which I always thought was Anglican??) and are becoming Anglican in name due to Episcopals allowing ordination to practicing homosexuals. (YAY, Glad you Episcopals are leaving the name behind to be Anglican in sight of this sin.)

Now, everyone who is Episcopal on this board, are you for homosexuality? If you are against homosexuality, why are you not claiming Anglican and leaving Episcopal churces?

 

[Roman_Catholic_1]

Many Episcopals have left the denomination (Which I always thought was Anglican??) and are becoming Anglican in name due to Episcopals allowing ordination to practicing homosexuals. (YAY, Glad you Episcopals are leaving the name behind to be Anglican in sight of this sin.)

Now, everyone who is Episcopal on this board, are you for homosexuality? If you are against homosexuality, why are you not claiming Anglican and leaving Episcopal churces?

Are there Anglican Churches in America? I was under the impression that the Anglican Church in America was the Episcopalian Church.

God bless

 

[Religio71]

not Episcopal, but to clarify, The Episcopal Church of USA is the branch of the Anglican Communion in the US. The Church of England is the “mother church” and the branch of the Anglican Communion in England. So, Episcopalians are the Anglicans in the USA.

 

[Roman_Catholic_1]

not Episcopal, but to clarify, The Episcopal Church of USA is the branch of the Anglican Communion in the US. The Church of England is the “mother church” and the branch of the Anglican Communion in England. So, Episcopalians are the Anglicans in the USA.

So Episcopalians couldn’t really say, “I am no longer Episcopalian, but Anglican”? Almost like a Christian saying, “I’m no longer Christian, but Catholic”

How does the Anglican Communion play out? Can the Episcopalians (American Anglicans) decide they want women priest, or homosexual priests with out the consent of the Anglican Church in England?

God bless

 

[JudithAnn]

not Episcopal, but to clarify, The Episcopal Church of USA is the branch of the Anglican Communion in the US. The Church of England is the “mother church” and the branch of the Anglican Communion in England. So, Episcopalians are the Anglicans in the USA.

Can you verify the Episopal beliefs as to the sacrament of the Eucharist? In watching the Showtime series, The Tudors, it is shown that they uphold the same beliefs as Catholics in that the Bread and Wine are the Body and Blood of Christ. Do they receive the Eucharist at every service like Catholics?

 

[firstmode]

not Episcopal, but to clarify, The Episcopal Church of USA is the branch of the Anglican Communion in the US. The Church of England is the “mother church” and the branch of the Anglican Communion in England. So, Episcopalians are the Anglicans in the USA.

I have always thought this and history has shown this, but what about the church that is trying to change from Episcopal to Anglican due to the homosexual issue and is in court so they do not lose their church building and property? The Episcopal church is trying to take this building and property away from this large denomination because they want to switch to being Anglican.

post-gazette.com/pg/08268/914413-109.stm

Leaving the Episcopal Church
It’s not about lifestyles; it’s about believing that Christ is God
Wednesday, September 24, 2008
By Wendy Scott Paff
The Episcopal Diocese of Pittsburgh will vote Oct. 4 on whether to secede from the Episcopal Church – the U.S. branch of the Anglican Communion – and realign with a more theologically conservative Anglican province in South America. Robert Duncan, the bishop of the Pittsburgh diocese until he was removed last week by the Episcopal House of Bishops, has led this movement in Pittsburgh and nationally.

For centuries, all Christian denominations shared core beliefs, of which the most central is that Jesus Christ is God and is a member of the Trinity: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Over several decades, many self-titled “progressive” Episcopalians have abandoned as superstition the faith as written and agreed to by the worldwide Anglican Church, of which the U.S. Episcopal Church is a fraction. They have rejected beliefs unquestioned in mainstream Christianity; for example, that Jesus is both man and God, as evidenced by his historical resurrection.

The core of our differences does not lie in the high-profile issues of lifestyle, such as gay marriage or ordination, but in our understanding of who Jesus is. Their departure from all that is Christian is now so great that most members of our worldwide Anglican Church cannot in good conscience celebrate the Lord’s Supper with these progressive Episcopalians.

 

[Peter_J]

So Episcopalians couldn’t really say, “I am no longer Episcopalian, but Anglican”?

Well, yes and no. The Episcopal Church is the official US branch of the Anglican Communion; but some Episcopalians are (or have already) disassociating themselves from the Episcopal Church, and associating more with one of the various branches of the Anglican Communion in other countries (and hence no longer calling themselves “Episcopalian”).

 

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encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-7990540.html

Episcopal split reaches Mass. diocese N.E. churches leaving over teachings on gays, salvation

ATTLEBORO - The wave of defections that has rocked the Episcopal Church since the ordination of the first openly gay Episcopal bishop in 2003 has reached the liberal Diocese of Massachusetts, where one congregation has severed its ties to the national church. Nearly two dozen others across New England have disassociated themselves from the church’s teachings on gay clergy, homosexuality, and salvation.

In the first of what adherents of traditional Anglican doctrine in the United States say will be a string of defections, the Attleboro congregation that for 115 years was known as All Saints …

 

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pjstar.com/archive/x544120876/Episcopal-diocese-leaving-national-church

Episcopal diocese leaving national church
Vote favors realignment with South American Anglican church

The Peoria-based Episcopal Diocese of Quincy voted Saturday to leave the national Episcopal Church and realign with a South American Anglican church.

The decision, made at the annual diocese synod at St. John’s Episcopal Church in Quincy, follows months of arguments between the local and national Episcopal groups on issues such as homosexuality, the ordination of women and the overall liberal nature of the national church.

“This decision was not made lightly,” said the Rev. John Spencer, spokesman for the diocese, which has 24 churches and missions and about 1,800 members. "We have talked and prayed about this for a very long time. But we take our relationship to the Anglican Communion very seriously. …

“By realigning with the Anglican Church of the Southern Cone, we are now back in full communion with the majority of over 75 million Anglicans around the world.”…

 

[JonNC]

So Episcopalians couldn’t really say, “I am no longer Episcopalian, but Anglican”? Almost like a Christian saying, “I’m no longer Christian, but Catholic”

How does the Anglican Communion play out? Can the Episcopalians (American Anglicans) decide they want women priest, or homosexual priests with out the consent of the Anglican Church in England?

God bless

Not Anglican myself, but I know there are other Anglican curches in American not affilliated with the Episcopal Church. Some are connected to other diocese and under a bishop from other parts of the world. I think there are also Anglicans not in communion with Canterbury - like TAC. But, I know there are Anglicans that can explain it better than me.

Jon

 

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California Ruling in Episcopal Church Dispute Deals Setback to Breakaway Parishes Nationwide
A court blocked parishes from holding onto property after spliting from the main church

By Dan Gilgoff
Posted January 8, 2009
A California Supreme Court decision this week that blocked three breakaway Episcopal Church parishes from holding onto their church buildings and property marks the latest in a string of legal victories for the national church and casts doubt on the efforts of other parishes to keep church grounds as they secede from the Episcopal Church over what they see as its liberal drift on matters like the ordination of gay clergy.

The Episcopal Church, with 2.1 million members, hopes the California ruling also sets a precedent for the property rights of the national denomination as several whole dioceses that have left the church attempt to keep their buildings and property. The ruling’s implications for legal fights at the diocesan level are less clear.

“If the court had ruled against the national church, it could have given legal support for the development of the so-called new province,” Trinity College religion scholar Frank Kirkpatrick says, referring to a coalition of four U.S. Episcopal dioceses and dozens more parishes that recently announced plans to start a rival denomination…

 

[GKC]

So Episcopalians couldn’t really say, “I am no longer Episcopalian, but Anglican”? Almost like a Christian saying, “I’m no longer Christian, but Catholic”

How does the Anglican Communion play out? Can the Episcopalians (American Anglicans) decide they want women priest, or homosexual priests with out the consent of the Anglican Church in England?

God bless

The official Anglican Communion consists of 38 independent, self-governing jurisdictions, who are in communion with the Archbishop of Canterbury, as the titular and symbolic figurehead of the Communion. The Archbishop of Canterbury is also the primate of the Church of England, the mother church from which Anglicanism spread. The Episcopal Church is the official Anglican jurisdiction, in this sense, in the US.

Any Anglican group which breaks communion with Canterbury (and there are a lot of them) is, ipso facto, not in the Anglican Communion. But Anglican, all the same. The model for Anglicanism is not a mirror of that for the RCC. The Archbishop of Canterbury is not a Pope analog, nor does his jurisdiction, as a bishop, extend beyond his See.

Since the member Churches of the official Anglican Communion are independent and self-governing, they can order their polity, or doctrine, or beliefs, as they will, without reference to the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Communion in general, or the Church of England. This is why there are Anglicans who chose not to be in the Episcopal Church (for one example), or those who have left the Episcopal Church, but still retain communion with Canterbury. HTis process of leaving the Episcopal Church began around 30+ years ago, first over liturgical issues, then over the concept of female ordination, and finally, and most recently, over sexual/political issues.

A scorecard is helpful in trying to track contemporary Anglicanism.

GKC

 

[firstmode]

California Ruling in Episcopal Church Dispute Deals Setback to Breakaway Parishes Nationwide
A court blocked parishes from holding onto property after spliting from the main church

By Dan Gilgoff
Posted January 8, 2009
A California Supreme Court decision this week that blocked three breakaway Episcopal Church parishes from holding onto their church buildings and property marks the latest in a string of legal victories for the national church and casts doubt on the efforts of other parishes to keep church grounds as they secede from the Episcopal Church over what they see as its liberal drift on matters like the ordination of gay clergy.

The Episcopal Church, with 2.1 million members, hopes the California ruling also sets a precedent for the property rights of the national denomination as several whole dioceses that have left the church attempt to keep their buildings and property. The ruling’s implications for legal fights at the diocesan level are less clear.

“If the court had ruled against the national church, it could have given legal support for the development of the so-called new province,” Trinity College religion scholar Frank Kirkpatrick says, referring to a coalition of four U.S. Episcopal dioceses and dozens more parishes that recently announced plans to start a rival denomination…

sorry, here is the link:

usnews.com/articles/news/religion/2009/01/08/california-ruling-in-episcopal-church-dispute-deals-setback-to-breakaway-parishes-nationwide.html

 

[LRThunder]

I’ve heard conflicting court opinions on Episcopal parishes keeping their properties. I think Virginia, or another state, has sided with the parishes, where as other states side with the diocese.

 

[GKC]

Can you verify the Episopal beliefs as to the sacrament of the Eucharist? In watching the Showtime series, The Tudors, it is shown that they uphold the same beliefs as Catholics in that the Bread and Wine are the Body and Blood of Christ. Do they receive the Eucharist at every service like Catholics?

Anglican doctrine on the nature of Eucharist varies, and it is impossible to generalize accurately. Some will affirm transubstantiation (like me), some the Real Presence, without specifying how this comes about, some are memorialists. At the time of the Tudors, and after 1535, through Henry VIII’s death, the official doctrine of the Church of England was an orthodox Real Presence. Things have changed, since.

Anglicans recieve at all communion services/Masses, but not necessarily at simple Morning or Evening Prayers.

GKC

 

[GKC]

I’ve heard conflicting court opinions on Episcopal parishes keeping their properties. I think Virginia, or another state, has sided with the parishes, where as other states side with the diocese.

This is correct.

GKC

 

[piperspop]

not Episcopal, but to clarify, The Episcopal Church of USA is the branch of the Anglican Communion in the US. The Church of England is the “mother church” and the branch of the Anglican Communion in England. So, Episcopalians are the Anglicans in the USA.

No. Episcopals are the Anglicans in the USA that are in Communion with the Archbishop of Canterbury, and members of the Anglican Communion.

 

[piperspop]

Are there Anglican Churches in America? I was under the impression that the Anglican Church in America was the Episcopalian Church.

God bless

No again. The Anglican Church in America is a church that is part of the international TRADITIONAL Anglican Communion, which broke away from the Episcopal Church some 30 years ago over the issues of women’s ordination, euthanasia, and the 1979 prayer book.

The Traditional Anglican Communion has requested the See of Peter to be accepted in Corporate Unity with Rome and the RC Church. (Hello, anyone awake in Rome?)

We are still waiting (18 mos and counting) for a reply.

 

[Roman_Catholic_1]

The official Anglican Communion consists of 38 independent, self-governing jurisdictions, who are in communion with the Archbishop of Canterbury, as the titular and symbolic figurehead of the Communion. The Archbishop of Canterbury is also the primate of the Church of England, the mother church from which Anglicanism spread. The Episcopal Church is the official Anglican jurisdiction, in this sense, in the US.

Any Anglican group which breaks communion with Canterbury (and there are a lot of them) is, ipso facto, not in the Anglican Communion. But Anglican, all the same. The model for Anglicanism is not a mirror of that for the RCC. The Archbishop of Canterbury is not a Pope analog, nor does his jurisdiction, as a bishop, extend beyond his See.

Since the member Churches of the officail Anglican Communion are independent and self-governing, they can order their polity, or doctrine, or beliefs, as they will, without reference to the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Communion in general, or the Church of England. This is why there are Anglicans who chose not to be in the Episcopal Church (for one example), or those who have left the Episcopal Church, but still retain communion with Canterbury.

A scorecard is helpful in trying to track contemporary Anglicanism.

GKC

Thanks GKC,

So does the Archbishop have the power to excommunicate (for lack of a better word) those Jurisdictions who ordained women/homosexuals? Or is leaving the Anglican communion a one way street type of thing where jurisdictions can leave but cannot be kicked out of the communion? So if the Episcopalians want to ordain women or homosexuals and want to remain in the Anglican communion there is really nothing that can be done? Outside the individual parishioner leaving the Episcopalian church of course.

God bless

 

[Roman_Catholic_1]

No again. The Anglican Church in America is a church that is part of the international TRADITIONAL Anglican Communion, which broke away from the Episcopal Church some 30 years ago over the issues of women’s ordination, euthanasia, and the 1979 prayer book.

So if I see a Church in American that says, “Anglican Church” chances are that it is not a Church that is in communion with the Anglican Church in England?

The Traditional Anglican Communion has requested the See of Peter to be accepted in Corporate Unity with Rome and the RC Church. (Hello, anyone awake in Rome?)

I guess it depends… What time is it in Rome?

God bless