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Lily_Bernans said:
It sounds to me that she believes in religious freedom.

And she hasn’t changed her mind, either.
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Well, apparently not, since she said that religious beliefs have to be changed. Once they are changed to allow for abortion, then she is all for it.
 
Tomdstone said:
Well, apparently not, since she said that religious beliefs have to be changed. Once they are changed to allow for abortion, then she is all for it.
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You are aware that abortion has been occurring since the first unwanted pregnancy occurred . Believe it or not, Hillary Clinton is not responsible for abortions. If you want to blame someone, blame society that does not support every pregnant woman and makes pregnancy an honored state.
 
Hillary has led on the abortion rights issue. She is passionate about it:
"“Look, I know Senator Sanders supports a woman’s right to choose, but I also know Planned Parenthood America and NARAL endorsed me because I have led on this issue,” Clinton added, referencing prominent abortion rights organizations. "I have fought on this issue. And I know, given what’s happening in states across our country, we need a president who is passionate about this.”
thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/274888-sanders-clinton-took-my-abortion-remarks-out-of-context
 
Tomdstone said:
Hillary has led on the abortion rights issue. She is passionate about it:
"“Look, I know Senator Sanders supports a woman’s right to choose, but I also know Planned Parenthood America and NARAL endorsed me because I have led on this issue,” Clinton added, referencing prominent abortion rights organizations. "I have fought on this issue. And I know, given what’s happening in states across our country, we need a president who is passionate about this.”
thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/274888-sanders-clinton-took-my-abortion-remarks-out-of-context
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As far as we know, Hillary Clinton has never had an abortion. Does that make her opinion more sinful than those who have had an abortion?
 
 
Tomdstone said:
She says she is passionate about a woman’s right to choose an abortion. She claims to be a leader on this issue.
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Sorry, as far as I know, she has not had an abortion. The women who chose to have an abortion are culpable, not those who support their ability to have abortion.

Please stop excusing people who have an abortion. They are the real sinners.
 
Tomdstone said:
An article on lifenews claims differently.
lifenews.com/2016/03/29/woman-who-had-affair-with-bill-clinton-claims-hillary-clinton-had-several-abortions/
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Are you going to respond to anything else I said. Or are you one of those who think women don’t know what they are doing when they have an abortion. If the latter, you must include Hillary Clinton in that group if you think she has had an abortion. She is as much a victim of the culture of death as every other woman who has had an abortion. You should be as compassionate to her as you are to every other misguided woman who has had an abortion.
 
Tomdstone said:
An article on lifenews claims differently.
lifenews.com/2016/03/29/woman-who-had-affair-with-bill-clinton-claims-hillary-clinton-had-several-abortions/
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These are some rather bold claims! The woman in question states that Hillary had multiple abortions before giving birth to Chelsea and that the only reason the Clintons had a child was that Bill Clinton persuaded his wife it was necessary to move up in the political arena. Further, she says Hillary is a lesbian. I don’t know about you, but, to me, these seem like wild accusations with very little basis in fact, coming from a supposed former lover of Bill Clinton’s. True, stranger things have happened in reality, but are we going to accept such bizarre claims without any corroboration, particularly from a woman with perhaps an ax to grind? How does she know so much about the private lives of the Clintons in the first place, even as Bill Clinton’s lover? And a larger issue concerns the kind of sensationalist journalism this appears to be.
 
meltzerboy said:
These are some rather bold claims! The woman in question states that Hillary had multiple abortions before giving birth to Chelsea and that the only reason the Clintons had a child was that Bill Clinton persuaded his wife it was necessary to move up in the political arena. Further, she says Hillary is a lesbian. I don’t know about you, but, to me, these seem like wild accusations with very little basis in fact, coming from a supposed former lover of Bill Clinton’s. True, stranger things have happened in reality, but are we going to accept such bizarre claims without any corroboration, particularly from a woman with perhaps an ax to grind? How does she know so much about the private lives of the Clintons in the first place, even as Bill Clinton’s lover? And a larger issue concerns the kind of sensationalist journalism this appears to be.
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the Daily Mail UK has a story about this:
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3427366/He-frilly-nightie-danced-playing-sax-Former-Miss-Arkansas-says-Bill-Clinton-bed-confided-Hillary-sex-women-fears-Hillary-vendetta-sleeps-loaded-semi-automatic.html
And Sally has her own wikipedia webpage:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sally_Perdue
 
sallybutler said:
Sorry, as far as I know, she has not had an abortion. The women who chose to have an abortion are culpable, not those who support their ability to have abortion.

Please stop excusing people who have an abortion. They are the real sinners.
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👍👍 Finally! Someone who understands!
 
sallybutler said:
Are you going to respond to anything else I said. Or are you one of those who think women don’t know what they are doing when they have an abortion. If the latter, you must include Hillary Clinton in that group if you think she has had an abortion. She is as much a victim of the culture of death as every other woman who has had an abortion. You should be as compassionate to her as you are to every other misguided woman who has had an abortion.
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Absolutely right! 👍
 
Tomdstone said:
An article on lifenews claims differently.
lifenews.com/2016/03/29/woman-who-had-affair-with-bill-clinton-claims-hillary-clinton-had-several-abortions/
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As MB said, those are bizarre claims. So you think scorned lovers, if she was even a lover, always tell the truth? I can assure you, they don’t. Even scorned friends don’t always tell the truth.

No one is saying Hillary isn’t pro-choice; she is. But in the past she’s also talked about her own problems in conceiving a child. I think that’s why she and Bill didn’t have Chelsea for some time after their marriage. And they were relatively poor when they began their married life.

I don’t put any stock at all in “anonymous” sources. Not even when it furthers a cause I’m interested in furthering. No one else has ever said Hillary had “several abortions.” I don’t believe she did, or she probably couldn’t have carried a baby to term. Getting into biology and human physiology here, the cervix returns to near normal size when it dilates naturally as in childbirth, but when it’s forced to dilate, as in abortion, “several” abortions would cause it to become unable to support a growing fetus. Chelsea Clinton was fullterm when born, and Hillary was not “indisposed” when pregnant.
 
sallybutler said:
Are you going to respond to anything else I said. Or are you one of those who think women don’t know what they are doing when they have an abortion. If the latter, you must include Hillary Clinton in that group if you think she has had an abortion. She is as much a victim of the culture of death as every other woman who has had an abortion. You should be as compassionate to her as you are to every other misguided woman who has had an abortion.
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Exactly.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
I don’t put any stock at all in “anonymous” sources. .
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The source was not anonymous. The lady’s picture and name was in the Daily Mail UK paper and she is on you tube. She even has her own wikipedia page. She is a former Miss Arkansas which makes her a public figure of sorts. The pro-life site, Life News has also published a story on her.
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3427366/He-frilly-nightie-danced-playing-sax-Former-Miss-Arkansas-says-Bill-Clinton-bed-confided-Hillary-sex-women-fears-Hillary-vendetta-sleeps-loaded-semi-automatic.html
lifenews.com/2016/03/29/woman-who-had-affair-with-bill-clinton-claims-hillary-clinton-had-several-abortions/
To read about Life News please see:
lifenews.com/about/
 
Hillary Clinton on Abortion: “The Unborn Person Doesn’t Have Constitutional Rights”
“The unborn person doesn’t have constitutional rights,” Clinton said, adding that “the woman’s right to make decisions” is the be all and end all when it comes to abortion.
Weekly Standard writer Shosanna Weissman was surprised that Clinton used the term “person” since most abortion advocates never refer to unborn children with any reference to their humanity.
Most notable perhaps is Clinton’s use of “person.” Oftentimes, when talking about a woman’s right to choose, pro-choicers will use terminology that suggests the unborn is not a person or human, but a “fetus.”
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lifenews.com/2016/04/03/hillary-clinton-on-abortion-the-unborn-person-doesnt-have-constitutional-rights/
 
Lily_Bernans said:
The Republican Supreme Court that upheld Roe v. Wade believes the same as Hillary Clinton, that the unborn person does not have rights under the US Constitution.

So Democrats and Republicans agree on something I guess. 🤷
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It’s possible that Roe v Wade could have been reversed if Democrats had allowed the nomination of Robert Bork to go through: lifenews.com/2012/12/28/roe-v-wade-could-have-been-reversed-if-robert-bork-had-been-approved/

Although you can never guarantee a Republican president would nominate a justice who would reverse Roe v Wade, it’s a different party on abortion presently than it once was, and that reflects the fact that the Republican Party adopted a pro-life platform in 1980, nearly seven years after the Roe v Wade ruling. Whereas, Hillary Clinton has a litmus test on Roe v Wade.

As I’ve commented before to you, this is not the 1960s or 1970s. Did Eisenhower or Nixon have an abortion litmus test with their Supreme Court Justices? Neither may have had any knowledge of what was coming down the road before the Supreme Court, what would turn out to be, Roe v Wade. Who knows whether they would have changed their Supreme Court nominations if they knew that case was coming. I suspect despite what their personal positions on abortion were, that back then, abortion would not have been something that was looked at in regards to the Supreme Court justices views, correct me if I am wrong. This US presidential election could decide how long Roe v Wade stands.

You are wrong, the Roe v Wade ruling that was upheld did not claim that the unborn was a “person”:
in the very text of the Roe v. Wade decision, the High Court made a key admission:
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“[Texas] argues that the fetus is a ‘person’ within the language and meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment…If this suggestion of personhood is established, the appellant’s case (or Roe’s case) collapses, for the fetus’ right to life is then guaranteed by the 14th Amendment.”
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prolifewisconsin.org/proLifeIssues.asp?article=Personhood+%26+the+Roe+v.+Wade+Decision&aid=274&id=7

Hillary Clinton calling the unborn “person” is at odds with the Roe v Wade ruling that legalised abortion. Calling the “unborn” person is at odds with believing that the unborn does not have constitutional protection, which it would if the baby is declared a person, it would have protection under the fourteenth amendment, per above excerpt from the decision on Roe v Wade.
 
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