Hillary Clinton Thread

[Lily_Bernans]

Kind of amazing how many times I’ve heard this same “stuff” on this forum lately. I wonder if people are just copying off each other or something.

Maybe, or maybe missing one another’s posts. I don’t always scroll through all if there are pages and pages, though I try to keep up so I don’t repeat.

 

[Peter_J]

Maybe, or maybe missing one another’s posts.

Well maybe. I’m probably unduly influenced by how sick I am of posters going on about what they’d like to do to women who have abortions. Maybe I just need to get off the Internet and spend some time breaking boards with my head, or something enjoyable like that.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

Well maybe. I’m probably unduly influenced by how sick I am of posters going on about what they’d like to do to women who have abortions. Maybe I just need to get off the Internet and spend some time breaking boards with my head, or something enjoyable like that.

I’m just sick of the abortion issue, period. By this time, we all know where one another stands.

 

[JimG]

I’m just sick of the abortion issue, period. By this time, we all know where one another stands.

But Hillary and her party are not sick of the abortion issue. Unlimited access to abortion is the sine qua non of the party and of Hillary.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

But Hillary and her party are not sick of the abortion issue. Unlimited access to abortion is the sine qua non of the party and of Hillary.

No one discusses the abortion issue much this year. And, maybe you missed it, but this group within the GOP is committed ti keeping abortion legal:

gopchoice.org/

 

[mary_bobo]

No one discusses the abortion issue much this year. And, maybe you missed it, but this group within the GOP is committed ti keeping abortion legal:

gopchoice.org/

Two wrongs don’t make it right.

 

[_Abyssinia]

No one discusses the abortion issue much this year. And, maybe you missed it, but this group within the GOP is committed ti keeping abortion legal:

gopchoice.org/

But that’s not the official Republican platform. Support for abortion rights is in the official Democratic platform. Bishop Paprocki commented on the Republican and Democrat platforms in 2012 and said (I reccomend reading it all):

Certainly there are “pro-choice” Republicans who support abortion rights and “Log Cabin Republicans” who promote same-sex marriage, and they are equally as wrong as their Democratic counterparts. But these positions do not have the official support of their party.

catholicnewsagency.com/column/think-and-pray-about-your-vote-in-upcoming-election-2311/

He comments about the Democrat platform and points out what it says about abortion and repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act etc. and he says:

There are many positive and beneficial planks in the Democratic Party Platform, but I am pointing out those that explicitly endorse intrinsic evils.

With the Republican platform he says:

I have read the Republican Party Platform and there is nothing in it that supports or promotes an intrinsic evil or a serious sin. The Republican Party Platform does say that courts “should have the option of imposing the death penalty in capital murder cases.” But the Catechism of the Catholic Church says (in paragraph 2267),

And he goes on to the quote the Catechism which comments on the death penalty.

 

[stinkcat_14]

Two wrongs don’t make it right.

Just because one should not vote for democrats in most cases does not mean that one ought to vote for republicans. The republican party is not virtuous in any way, it is just a lesser evil.

 

[estesbob]

No one discusses the abortion issue much this year. And, maybe you missed it, but this group within the GOP is committed ti keeping abortion legal:

gopchoice.org/

Hillary Clinton just got in a lot of trouble for referring to a pregnant woman bearing an "unborn person " rather than the preferred pro-abortion term “fetus” or “product of conception”

 

[mary_bobo]

Just because one should not vote for democrats in most cases does not mean that one ought to vote for republicans. The republican party is not virtuous in any way, it is just a lesser evil.

I don’t disagree, but a vote for a third part, in this case, does not give you the lesser of two evils. Sad state of affairs.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

I don’t disagree, but a vote for a third part, in this case, does not give you the lesser of two evils. Sad state of affairs.

It seems like a vote for a third party doesn’t give one much of anything but a wasted vote. Has a third party candidate ever won the US presidency? I don’t think so, but I don’t know.

Edit: No, a third party candidate has never won a presidential election. From Google:

“No third-party candidate has ever won a U.S. presidential election. The strongest showing for a third-party candidate came in 1912, when former President Teddy Roosevelt left the Republican Party. He ended up coming in second, with 27.4 percent of the popular vote and 88 electoral votes.”

I could see that maybe happening with Trump if he’s not the nominee and goes third party, but if it did, he still wouldn’t be the winner.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

Two wrongs don’t make it right.

I agree with you, Mary. My point was only to show that “pro-choice” is a part of the Republican Party as well. There is a faction in the Republican Party that is pro-choice, just as there is a faction in the Democratic Party that is pro-life.

 

[Ridgerunner]

gopchoice.org/

Republicans who support abortion have even formed a party within the Republican Party, Republicans for Choice. They are as much a part of the “culture of death” as any Democrat ever was.

In actuality, neither party is, but if you insist on calling the Democrats that, please look at the facts and see that the Republicans are as well. I don’t think we can blame all Democrats or all Republicans. Blanket statements are almost always wrong.

Sometimes blanket statements are right.

Repubs for “choice” are as much an outlier as Dems for Life. If one wants to see what a party stands for, one could look at the NARAL endorsements versus the National Right to Life League. NARAL endorses nearly every Democrat and virtually no Repubs. NRL endorses nearly every Repub and virtually no Dems.

Both of those organizations study the politicians and know who supports the organizations position and who opposes it.

 

[Peter_J]

Hillary Clinton just got in a lot of trouble for referring to a pregnant woman bearing an "unborn person " rather than the preferred pro-abortion term “fetus” or “product of conception”

What’s really amazing is that I’m not hearing pundits criticize her for saying no constitutional rights, as in none at all.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

Sometimes blanket statements are right.

Repubs for “choice” are as much an outlier as Dems for Life. If one wants to see what a party stands for, one could look at the NARAL endorsements versus the National Right to Life League. NARAL endorses nearly every Democrat and virtually no Repubs. NRL endorses nearly every Repub and virtually no Dems.

Both of those organizations study the politicians and know who supports the organizations position and who opposes it.

I agree with you. I think we all know that. That’s why I said there is no need to keep going over abortion again and again and again when there is so much else to discuss. We all know where everyone stands on abortion. People can post what they want, true, but in my opinion, we’ve done the abortion issue more than once or twice or three times on this board.

 

[mary_bobo]

It seems like a vote for a third party doesn’t give one much of anything but a wasted vote. Has a third party candidate ever won the US presidency? I don’t think so, but I don’t know.

Edit: No, a third party candidate has never won a presidential election. From Google:

“No third-party candidate has ever won a U.S. presidential election. The strongest showing for a third-party candidate came in 1912, when former President Teddy Roosevelt left the Republican Party. He ended up coming in second, with 27.4 percent of the popular vote and 88 electoral votes.”

I could see that maybe happening with Trump if he’s not the nominee and goes third party, but if it did, he still wouldn’t be the winner.

I would not be surprised if he did run third party with his massive ego and childish behavior. If he does, it will assure a victory for Hillary which I am sure you will be pleased with. I lay all of this discord at the door of Trump.

 

[zz912]

Sorry, as far as I know, she has not had an abortion. The women who chose to have an abortion are culpable,** not those who support their ability to have abortion.**

Please stop excusing people who have an abortion. They are the real sinners.

Please give a citation from Catholic teaching or the bishops that support such a claim. Those who support the ability to do evil are culpable in the evil.

 

[zz912]

No, I’m not saying that’s unconstitutional, though it seems at odds with Roe v Wade to me. But then I’m no lawyer.

I personally believe that anyone who harms a pregnant women and causes the death of the child she’s carrying should be tried for murder.

But you support those who work to keep killing children in the womb legal…

 

[Lily_Bernans]

I would not be surprised if he did run third party with his massive ego and childish behavior. If he does, it will assure a victory for Hillary which I am sure you will be pleased with. I lay all of this discord at the door of Trump.

I actually voted for Sanders, but you are right, Hillary would be my second choice, and if she’s the Democratic nominee, I will vote for her.

I do agree with you that Trump is responsible for the tatters the Republican Party finds itself in. I don’t know if he actually wants to be president or not. He knows he has celebrity status and that alone guaranteed him attention.

Cruz is rather extreme, though, and even his fellow Republicans don’t care for him. Rubio had his poor voting record, Kasich isn’t good once familiarize yourself with him. Really strong Republicans, and I know there are really strong Republicans, just aren’t running this cycle. Even though I don’t see Cruz or Kasich as strong, the party might have united behind one of them had Trump not been gumming up the works.

 

[zz912]

I agree with you. I think we all know that. That’s why I said there is no need to keep going over abortion again and again and again when there is so much else to discuss. We all know where everyone stands on abortion. People can post what they want, true, but in my opinion, we’ve done the abortion issue more than once or twice or three times on this board.

There’s the problem. Hillary Clinton’s stand on abortion makes her unacceptable for a Christian to vote for. There needs to be no further discussion about her as a candidate. A faithful Christian cannot vote for her and remain faithful to Jesus.