Hillary Clinton Thread

[queenofheartscv]

wnd.com/2016/03/town-cheers-trump-for-prompt-payment-still-waiting-on-hillary/

“The message from the campaign trail in Iowa could very well be: Donald Trump pays his bills; Hillary Clinton doesn’t. That’s the take-away from Marshalltown’s police chief, anyway, who said Clinton has yet to pay the overtime charge and accompanying expenses associated with Bill Clinton’s speech in the area in mid-January, and with her own campaign event in late January.”

 

[ATeNumquam]

All true, Jim. For me, Hillary is clearly the most experienced. She is also smart as a whip, strong as an ox, hard-working. These facts just can’t be denied.

As a Democrat, I appreciate her positions on policy issues.

The icing on this beautiful cake, though, is that she is a woman! My father raised 3 good women - the first (me!) born in 1966. All he ever told me my entire life was that I could be anything I wanted to be. I will remember that as I help to elect our first female President.

The women of this country will not choose Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton. MOO, of course.

I know it’s entirely irrelevant what I think as a NZer but I go along with what you say, from my observations.Bear in mind that I live in a country that is further to the left than the US (though we have a “centre right” government at present). It’s a more secular country all told. Also, since we never have the luxury of political leaders declaring themselves pro-life (even if they secretly are) we Catholics either don’t vote or decide on the basis of their other policies. I’m used to all that. None of it hinders me practicing my faith. I’m also used to female heads of government (in this tiny country). Down here, we’d have been Bernie Sanders’ supporters, but probably HC would be our second choice taking into account your alternatives - if we had any say! (It does affect us who you choose)
I do think HC is far more of a politician than Trump could ever be, more trustworthy regarding foreign affairs, looking at it in a global context - and I actually hope you do get your first female POTUS.
Trump scares the daylights out of us.
It’s only for 4 years anyway, folks - by next time maybe someone like Kasich will be favoured to do the job?

 

[Jeanne_S]

In all seriousness, J, do you really think you know what sort of marriage they have?

I can’t imagine that I do. It’s easy to be uncharitable towards the relationships of people we watch from afar. But I don’t think it’s fair. Marriage can be tough stuff and mine will take all the prayers it can find.

I imagine the Clintons feel much the same way.

I don’t have to imagine they have out it out there for public consumption:

 

[ChaosGamma]

I agree with that, and I think both Democrats and Republicans share the blame. And ordinary people. We’ve become a secular nation who is afraid to stand up for what’s right because we might step on “tolerance” of some whacko thing some nutjob believes. And I’m pointing to both political parties and to no person in particular, just in general.

So the solution is to just keep chugging along like we’re going, supporting one half of the coin or the other, keeping the system in place?

There is little substantial difference between the Republicans and the Democrats. The Republicans are generally just not quite as far to the left as Democrats. They operate from the same basic principles. The problem isn’t going to be fixed by voting for one over the other. But people keep doing it.

Maybe it’s time to recognize that democracy itself is the problem, not part of the solution. But any such view is anathema because, contrary to what some may think, society as a whole has moved so completely to the left that most are incapable of even entertaining such a notion. (Another result is absurd beliefs like the Republicans being rightist.)

God bless anyone who would actually desire the job of POTUS!

We’re of rather different views. I wouldn’t trust the man who wanted to be king and I generally don’t trust the man who wants to be president. But in democracy, unlike monarchy, that is a necessary evil.

She will get the women and minority votes, which are necessary for any candidate to win the presidency.

If ever I needed a reason to argue for the repeal of the 19th Amendment…

 

[7_Sorrows]

I’m a woman and DO NOT want this specific woman for president, governor, senator, mayor OR dog catcher.

I don’t either!!!

 

[Sy_Noe]

But it doesn’t matter even if Trump gets the GOP nomination or some one else does and he decides not to run as an independent.

The GOP nominee will not get the women or minority votes over Hillary.

Women want the first woman president, and minorities will generally vote for a female over any white male.

Jim

I’m just not sure there are enough white males or whites of either gender to elect Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton. Romney received 59% of the white vote. More than Reagan did in 1980. But even 59% wasn’t enough in 2012 because the face of the American electorate is changing and the percentage of the electorate that is white is shrinking. Until Republicans adjust, they begin a Presidential yr at a disadvantage. They do great in midterms on the state level, I believe, due to a different or smaller-sized midterm electorate.

redstate.com/diary/6755mm/2015/09/04/gop-nominee-needs-64-percent-white-vote-30-percent-non-white-vote-win-16/

 

[Sy_Noe]

33 Percent of Bernie Sanders Supporters Will Not Vote for Hillary Clinton. Here’s Why

Democrats had a hard fought battle in 08 for the nomination. I would argue more so than this yr. There was talk then if Hillary supporters would support Obama. Obama even lost OH and PA to Hillary yet carried the states in the general. Bottom line. Obama won the Presidency. Lily Bernans and myself, both professed Sanders supporters are already on board with Hillary in the general. The primary season is notoriously not a good predictor for the general.

 

[Tomdstone]

I am proud of Bill and Hillary for keeping their marital vows…

The publicly available news indicated that Bill did not keep his marital vows and that Hillary covered it up as best as she could.

 

[Sy_Noe]

All true, Jim. For me, Hillary is clearly the most experienced. She is also smart as a whip, strong as an ox, hard-working. These facts just can’t be denied.

As a Democrat, I appreciate her positions on policy issues.

The icing on this beautiful cake, though, is that she is a woman! My father raised 3 good women - the first (me!) born in 1966. All he ever told me my entire life was that I could be anything I wanted to be. I will remember that as I help to elect our first female President.

The women of this country will not choose Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton. MOO, of course.

A strong woman, my mother alone raised me, her only son. One of my sisters, also raised a daughter on her own. Strong women have always been influential in my life. And I’m going to remember this and my mother as I help elect our first female President.

It does look like Trump has an uphill battle considering half of U.S. women say they have a “very unfavorable” view of him, up from 40 percent of women who had a very negative view of Mr. Trump in the same poll in October. “Very unfavorable” is not easily reversed.

washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/17/donald-trump-spurned-half-us-women-poll/

 

[Theo520]

Democrats had a hard fought battle in 08 for the nomination. I would argue more so than this yr. There was talk then if Hillary supporters would support Obama. Obama even lost OH and PA to Hillary yet carried the states in the general. Bottom line. Obama won the Presidency. Lily Bernans and myself, both professed Sanders supporters are already on board with Hillary in the general. The primary season is notoriously not a good predictor for the general.

The situations are far from equal, Obama was an easy switch. His lack of a history meant he had no strong negatives and people bought his ‘hope and change’ vision. It was easy to have passion for his campaign even if he wasn’t your first pick at the dance.

It’s the complete opposite with Hillary. Bernie boys are sick of K-street & Wall Street $ running the show, they know Hillary has been bought more times than a 2-bit hooker and they know she’s a liar. Many of Bernie’s fans will either write in a candidate or stay home as a silent protest.

There was passion for Obama but **none **for Hillary. When people are voting for obligation, the turnout is much lower (look at Romney or McCain)

 

[Lily_Bernans]

The situations are far from equal, Obama was an easy switch. His lack of a history meant he had no strong negatives and people bought his ‘hope and change’ vision. It was easy to have passion for his campaign even if he wasn’t your first pick at the dance.

It’s the complete opposite with Hillary. Bernie boys are sick of K-street & Wall Street $ running the show, they know Hillary has been bought more times than a 2-bit hooker and they know she’s a liar. Many of Bernie’s fans will either write in a candidate or stay home as a silent protest.

There was passion for Obama but **none **for Hillary. When people are voting for obligation, the turnout is much lower (look at Romney or McCain)

I see people who are passionate Hillary supporters. Many of the people I teach with are. And, there is so much anti-Trump passion. A lot of people will do almost anything to deny him the presidency, including voting for Hillary. His own party is trying to find a way to disown him and deny him the nomination. They’d rather the Republican Party implode and they toss the presidency to Hillary than have Trump represent them. That’s the “Trump passion” I see. Sure, there’s passion, but it takes the form of hate.

 

[Tomdstone]

Sure, there’s passion, but it takes the form of hate.

Trump says he loves Mexico, he loves the Mexican people and he loves the passion of the people of Mexico.
youtube.com/watch?v=IuQ_qTBw2uU

 

[mary_bobo]

I see people who are passionate Hillary supporters. Many of the people I teach with are. And, there is so much anti-Trump passion. A lot of people will do almost anything to deny him the presidency, including voting for Hillary. His own party is trying to find a way to disown him and deny him the nomination. They’d rather the Republican Party implode and they toss the presidency to Hillary than have Trump represent them. That’s the “Trump passion” I see. Sure, there’s passion, but it takes the form of hate.

Passion for Hillary—what else could we expect to find in academia?

 

[Little_Sheep]

The situations are far from equal, Obama was an easy switch. His lack of a history meant he had no strong negatives and people bought his ‘hope and change’ vision. It was easy to have passion for his campaign even if he wasn’t your first pick at the dance.

It’s the complete opposite with Hillary. Bernie boys are sick of K-street & Wall Street $ running the show, they know Hillary has been bought more times than a 2-bit hooker and they know she’s a liar. Many of Bernie’s fans will either write in a candidate or stay home as a silent protest.

There was passion for Obama but **none **for Hillary. When people are voting for obligation, the turnout is much lower (look at Romney or McCain)

This is wishful thinking and I understand its allure, especially if one wants to see a Republican candidate become President. This line of reason is routinely trotted out every election season when it starts to become clear that one person is going to secure the nomination.

But we must traffic in reality and the reality is that the Democratic Party is not fractured - quite the opposite in fact. We will all unite behind the eventual Democratic nominee. We did it in 2008 (and again in 2012) and we will do it in 2016.

Is Hillary a perfect candidate? Heavens no! But she is vastly superior to anyone running on the Republican ticket. We are enthusiastic about what Obama has been able to accomplish in the face of unprecedented and (frankly) insane obstruction from the other side of the aisle and we are enthusiastic about HRC continuing to build on his legacy.

 

[7_Sorrows]

This is wishful thinking and I understand its allure, especially if one wants to see a Republican candidate become President. This line of reason is routinely trotted out every election season when it starts to become clear that one person is going to secure the nomination.

But we must traffic in reality and the reality is that the Democratic Party is not fractured - quite the opposite in fact. We will all unite behind the eventual Democratic nominee. We did it in 2008 (and again in 2012) and we will do it in 2016.

Is Hillary a perfect candidate? Heavens no! But she is vastly superior to anyone running on the Republican ticket. We are enthusiastic about what Obama has been able to accomplish in the face of unprecedented and (frankly) insane obstruction from the other side of the aisle and we are enthusiastic about HRC continuing to build on his legacy.

if Hillary is elected, the only legacy she will be concerned about is her own. she and Obama care about their own agendas rather than the good of the country.

 

[GaryTaylor]

is that the Democratic Party is not fractured - quite the opposite in fact.

Lets be clear, this party is barely swimming with its head above the water. Treading water and exhausted is a better analogy. Bernie =socialist/communist and Hillary a shout away from a orange jumpsuit. Should we congratulate the party for opting to go with no integrity Hillary? Will Obama save her in the end is the only question, and frankly I really don’t think so. Then what, is this where we go into denial and speculation isn’t conceivable.

Sooooo predictable.

But we must traffic in reality

More like, war, crime, hate, lies and divisiveness would be a more accurate reality. If the Democrats have a redeeming quality I can’t see it, repentance is still possible is the best I could come up with. They paint a pretty picture but deception is quite and art I would suggest.

 

[Peter_J]

‘President Donald Trump’ An Ominous Possibility: A Bipartisan Democratic, Republican Coalition Can Stop Dystopian Future

That seems like something that was bound to be said by somebody, but is it believable?

Unquestionably, there are GOP attempts to stop Trump and there are Dem attempts to stop Trump, but there are significant differences between the two. An offer to collaborate with Dems on this seems like it could be a trap.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Nonsensical as the proposition proposed is that the Democrats are somehow a rational sensible party who wants to be your brothers and sisters and friends in the plight of the forward progress of the US and humanity.

yes, regime, no administration — in Washington. Gone are slight deviations (left or right) from the center in a politician’s quest for public office.

They’ve been replaced

And 8-years ago by the admitted most divisive President in US history who knows and verbalized he has done not a thing for unity and in fact the lines are so well drawn by him many of his astute followers like Hillary consider YOU the 'enemy". Lets talk clear its much to late for playing both sides of the fence. Thats a path only in thinking they won’t be THAT bad with you IF they win. You should know better and you have nothing coming just as its well understood with the justices should Hillary get in.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

The situations are far from equal, Obama was an easy switch. His lack of a history meant he had no strong negatives and people bought his ‘hope and change’ vision. It was easy to have passion for his campaign even if he wasn’t your first pick at the dance.

It’s the complete opposite with Hillary. Bernie boys are sick of K-street & Wall Street $ running the show, they know Hillary has been bought more times than a 2-bit hooker and they know she’s a liar. Many of Bernie’s fans will either write in a candidate or stay home as a silent protest.

There was passion for Obama but **none **for Hillary. When people are voting for obligation, the turnout is much lower (look at Romney or McCain)

I disagree.

Sanders supporters will vote for Hillary, if for no other reason than they fear Donald Trump
as president.

Jim

 

[Lily_Bernans]

if Hillary is elected, the only legacy she will be concerned about is her own. she and Obama care about their own agendas rather than the good of the country.

I don’t believe any candidate, of either party, is altruistic, but I think they all, with the exception of Trump, would try to do good things for the American people because bad or good, they will be in history books till US history ends, and I don’t think any of them want to be remembered as a “bad” president.

And I’m sorry for the run-on sentence!

I think Trump believes he’ll be remembered as a god no matter what happens and will follow his whims.