Hillary Clinton Thread

[JimR-OCDS]

Numerous pro-lifers have criticised Trump’s comments regarding the “wonderful” work comments aside from abortion, but Trump is still better on the issue of abortion than Hillary Clinton. He has said he would defund Planned Parenthood and he claims to be pro-life except for cases of rape, incest mother’s life in this op-ed. Ideally he would be 100% pro-life, but compared to Hillary Clinton…

Majorie Dannenfessler, president of the Susan B Anthony List has criticised Trump’s comments but also criticised a Rolling Stone article that claimed the pro life movement was getting run over:

“We may not like everything he says, but Donald Trump has committed to the pro-life movement’s top legislative priorities of stopping brutal, late-term abortions after five months and to defunding Planned Parenthood.”

Keep in mind that the president doesn’t appropriate spending, Congress does.

So when he says he’ll defund Planned Parenthood, he’s merely throwing campaign promises which he can’t keep and if he believes it, he’s showing his ignorance on how the government works.

Jim

 

[Robert_Bay]

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[Theo520]

Keep in mind that the president doesn’t appropriate spending, Congress does.

So when he says he’ll defund Planned Parenthood, he’s merely throwing campaign promises which he can’t keep and if he believes it, he’s showing his ignorance on how the government works.

Jim

The president controls execution of laws and policy (HHS reports to POTUS). It would be very easy to orchestrate the funding for STI testing etc to be received by other qualified health care providers.

PP has no right to be the exclusive delivery arm on free and subsidized healthcare for women.

 

[Little_Sheep]

Keep in mind that the president doesn’t appropriate spending, Congress does.

So when he says he’ll defund Planned Parenthood, he’s merely throwing campaign promises which he can’t keep and if he believes it, he’s showing his ignorance on how the government works.

Jim

Yep.

 

[Path_Finder]

Keep in mind that the president doesn’t appropriate spending, Congress does.

So when he says he’ll defund Planned Parenthood, he’s merely throwing campaign promises which he can’t keep and if he believes it, he’s showing his ignorance on how the government works.

Jim

Again, it has been done in New Jersey 6 times, Wisconsin numerous times, Texas, Indiana and Ohio and I’m sure many other states.

But, oh yes, Mr. Trump is showing his ignorance!

As if it could not be done, what has been done at the state level numerous times.

 

[Little_Sheep]

I believe that if Hillary were not a candidate, and the only woman was a Republican who won the GOP nomination, there would be women who generally vote for democrats, voting for the GOP woman, just to break the glass ceiling to the presidency.

I think they’d take that chance so that a democrat woman would have a better chance in the future.

Jim

That’s interesting and you may well be correct. Carly was the only woman who ran on the Republican side this year, correct? I do remember her having a nice little surge a few months ago, but it did not last.

Who are some Republican women that you think might make a good President?

 

[Path_Finder]

The president controls execution of laws and policy (HHS reports to POTUS). It would be very easy to orchestrate the funding for STI testing etc to be received by other qualified health care providers.

PP has no right to be the exclusive delivery arm on free and subsidized healthcare for women.

I think the Senate or House voted to defund Planned Parenthood; anyway, if one checks out some of the pro-life websites and pro-life news sites, they might learn something.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

You posted the Father Pavone was okay with Sanders …an untruth by the way

As for the many evils in the world …yes there are …that doesn’t mean it’s okay to support the killing of the most innocen without limits of anyki dot …which is the Democratic Party and both Sanders and Hillary in their own words and votes.

Well, he told ME that it was okay for ME to vote for Sanders. You’re discussing me, not the issues. The moderators have told us to stick to the issues and not discuss other posters so I’m not going to say any more.

Neither Sanders nor Hillary have ever said they wanted innocent children killed. They believe the right to abortion is constitutional; it’s not necessarily their own belief about abortion. No woman is forced to have an abortion in the US. Let’s put the blame for abortion where it belongs - with the women who make the choice to abort.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

I believe that if Hillary were not a candidate, and the only woman was a Republican who won the GOP nomination, there would be women who generally vote for democrats, voting for the GOP woman, just to break the glass ceiling to the presidency.

I think they’d take that chance so that a democrat woman would have a better chance in the future.

Jim

I wouldn’t have voted for Carly Fiorina because I don’t see her as qualified. I’m not in any hurry to see a woman president, though. I don’t care about the president’s gender; I care about qualifications. I think Hillary is very qualified, more than Cruz or Trump, who has no experience in politics.

I do agree with you, though, that many women will vote for a woman simply because she is a woman. I don’t think that’s a good enough reason, though.

 

[SuperLuigi]

That’s interesting and you may well be correct. Carly was the only woman who ran on the Republican side this year, correct? I do remember her having a nice little surge a few months ago, but it did not last.

Who are some Republican women that you think might make a good President?

Ideally, Mia Love or Kristi Noem would be good candidates on core principles, but don’t really add much to the electoral college.

Condolezza Rice, although she supports same-sex civil unions, would be a very tough candidate to beat, but has said she isn’t interested in being president. We’re trying to get her to run for Senate in CA.

Kelly Ayotte has been suggested as a potential VP candidate, but I suspect it will go either to Rubio or Kasich…and maybe Allen West.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

Again, it has been done in New Jersey 6 times, Wisconsin numerous times, Texas, Indiana and Ohio and I’m sure many other states.

But, oh yes, Mr. Trump is showing his ignorance!

As if it could not be done, what has been done at the state level numerous times.

Six states have voted to defund Planned Parenthood, but Republicans hold the governorship in 31 states. So why haven’t more Republican-led states taken action to defund Planned Parenthood?

 

[stevegravy]

From:
zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-17/gloves-are-trump-accuses-hillary-being-involved-corruption-most-her-professional-lif

The Gloves Are Off: Trump Accuses Hillary Of Being "Involved In Corruption For Most Of Her Professional Life

Love it.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

Ideally, Mia Love or Kristi Noem would be good candidates on core principles, but don’t really add much to the electoral college.

Condolezza Rice, although she supports same-sex civil unions, would be a very tough candidate to beat, but has said she isn’t interested in being president. We’re trying to get her to run for Senate in CA.

Kelly Ayotte has been suggested as a potential VP candidate, but I suspect it will go either to Rubio or Kasich…and maybe Allen West.

I agree with you about Cruz/West, and think West would be a good choice for Cruz. Hillary might choose Martin O’Malley or Julian Castro. Castro would probably ensure the Hispanic vote, but she already has that.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

From:

The Gloves Are Off, etc.

Love it.

Did you read the Moderator’s Warning a few pages back? We aren’t supposed to link to pages that contain slurs or ad hominem attacks. I’d remove the link if you still have time. Too risky.

 

[7_Sorrows]

I believe that if Hillary were not a candidate, and the only woman was a Republican who won the GOP nomination, there would be women who generally vote for democrats, voting for the GOP woman, just to break the glass ceiling to the presidency.

I think they’d take that chance so that a democrat woman would have a better chance in the future.

Jim

I am sorry, but I just don’t see why we have to have categories such as the first black president, the first woman president, the first hispanic president or what other category there might be. how sbout just voting for the best person qualified to do the job? why look at race, gender or religion as a quaifier? I didn’t feel like we needed a candidate just because he was black in 2008 and I don’t feel we need a candidate now just because she is a woman or someone else because they are hispanic or Indian or Jewish or Catholic or SDA. I just want good candidates to choose from. the republicans at least had a very diverse field in the beginning and now we are down to 2.
if people vote for Hillary just because she is female that will be just as disappointing as people who voted for Obama in 2008 just because he was black. look what we got for 8 years.

 

[SuperLuigi]

Just more talking points to try to deflect from the fact that it was REPUBLICANS who made, and kept, abortion legal.

And Democrats are what? Fighting so hard for the unborn?

When’s the last time a pro-life Catholic even tried to submit a proposal to change the DNC’s party platform?

 

[Path_Finder]

I am sorry, but I just don’t see why we have to have categories such as the first black president, the first woman president, the first hispanic president or what other category there might be. how sbout just voting for the best person qualified to do the job? why look at race, gender or religion as a quaifier? I didn’t feel like we needed a candidate just because he was black in 2008 and I don’t feel we need a candidate now just because she is a woman or someone else because they are hispanic or Indian or Jewish or Catholic or SDA. I just want good candidates to choose from. the republicans at least had a very diverse field in the beginning and now we are down to 2.
if people vote for Hillary just because she is female that will be just as disappointing as people who voted for Obama in 2008 just because he was black. look what we got for 8 years.

Well said, I don’t see President Obama per some identity group such as those of Mixed Heritage but just as an American.

 

[SuperLuigi]

I am sorry, but I just don’t see why we have to have categories such as the first black president, the first woman president, the first hispanic president or what other category there might be. how sbout just voting for the best person qualified to do the job? why look at race, gender or religion as a quaifier? I didn’t feel like we needed a candidate just because he was black in 2008 and I don’t feel we need a candidate now just because she is a woman or someone else because they are hispanic or Indian or Jewish or Catholic or SDA. I just want good candidates to choose from. the republicans at least had a very diverse field in the beginning and now we are down to 2.
if people vote for Hillary just because she is female that will be just as disappointing as people who voted for Obama in 2008 just because he was black. look what we got for 8 years.

Because many factions with within the Democratic Party base disagree with the party’s platform so they need to use identity politics to gin up turnout and support and deflect from the real issue.

The other problem is today’s Democratic Party has taken up such untenable positions that they need quite extreme rhetoric and entitlement spending to compete in national elections.

Also, I don’t think a lot of women will vote for the democratic frontunner just because she’s a woman. The first minority president card has been spoiled, and race trumps gender in priority on the left anyways.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

And Democrats are what? Fighting so hard for the unborn?

When’s the last time a pro-life Catholic even tried to submit a proposal to change the DNC’s party platform?

Democrats are fighting for EVERYONE. Pope Francis just condemned those who close their doors to immigration. Democrats, and more specifically, Hillary Clinton, would not do that. So yes, they are fighting for EVERYONE.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=1003852

 

[Sy_Noe]

Ideally, Mia Love or Kristi Noem would be good candidates on core principles, but don’t really add much to the electoral college.

Condolezza Rice, although she supports same-sex civil unions, would be a very tough candidate to beat, but has said she isn’t interested in being president. We’re trying to get her to run for Senate in CA.

Kelly Ayotte has been suggested as a potential VP candidate, but I suspect it will go either to Rubio or Kasich…and maybe Allen West.

Rubio said the other day he is not going to be VP and is not running for governor. He is finishing his one term in the Senate and then next Jan will be a private citizen.

“I’m not going to be anybody’s vice president. I’m just not gonna — I’m not interested in being vice president. I don’t mean that in a disrespectful way. I’m not going to be vice president. I’m not running for governor of Florida,” Rubio said, dismissing speculation about his future.

washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/03/17/an-exhausted-marco-rubio-returns-to-senate-vows-not-to-accept-vp-or-run-for-governor/

And Kasich says, “I have no interest, I’m going to be governor of Ohio. There is zero chance I will be anybody’s vice presidential candidate — period, end of story.”

thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/271348-kasich-zero-chance-im-someones-vice-president

And further from Kasich, “There’s no way I would team up with Donald Trump.” “No way. Forget it.”

His comments recall previous remarks in which Kasich rejected the veep slot altogether.

theweek.com/speedreads/612790/nix-vp-rumors-kasich-says-not-team-trump