Hillary Clinton Thread

[Tomdstone]

So, what penalty would you propose for an illegal act of intentional murder?

IMHO, it should be the same whether a husband murders his wife, or a wife murders her husband, or if a mother murders her child. It is murder in all cases. The fact that the wife is not forced to murder her husband, or the husband is not forced to murder the wife, or the mother is not forced to murder her children should not be relevant. I don’t see where the lack of coercion aspect should be a factor, However, in the case of coercion and someone forces you to pull the trigger, then yes that should be taken into account. You are not completely culpable if someone forces you to commit an action.
Hillary demands that Catholics and others change their religious beliefs and allow mothers to murder their (unborn) children. I don’t think that Catholics should be forced into changing their religious beliefs and permit murder in order to please Hillary or Bill.

 

[Pier]

I’ve read them. Coercion exists in only a very, very, very small percentage of cases.

In 99.999% of the cases there is NO coercion.

So, what penalty would you propose for an illegal act of intentional murder?

Again…

Abortion would no longer be available ergo an option; so it would be win-win!

 

[Tomdstone]

Coercion exists in only a very, very, very small percentage of cases.

In 99.999% of the cases there is NO coercion.

All the more reason to impose a stiff penalty for the murder of the (unborn) child.

 

[Pier]

Well, the thing is I can see slave owners in 1860 making the same argument. I’ll use the prior conversation: “If we add slavery to the list of illegals, we could be held accountable for owning someone to work on our farm, and it’s our decision because we bought these slaves in a legal exchange and we would suffer like a rapist, thief, murderer, ect.”

Or again…Nazi Germany could’ve made excuses for what they did as well.

 

[Pier]

Yes, the first Hispanic President would be thrilling. I also agree that Cruz will not be that man this year.

I wouldn’t care if we voted in a Martian as long as it wasn’t a Democrat.

 

[Tomdstone]

Women who murder their unborn children are, in the great percentage of cases, intentional murderers.

Very true. That is why I don’t see why people agree with Hillary who wants to change the religious beliefs of Catholics and others so that abortion can be permitted under a revised moral code.

 

[Pier]

I find that an odd question considering the frontrunner for the Republican nomination actually thinks America stopped being great and he thinks it is he who needs to make it great again.

The Democratics have given this country a cancer that it needs to be cured from.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

Again…

Abortion would no longer be available ergo an option; so it would be win-win!

What about the women who go to doctors practicing abortion illegally or attempt to self-abort? Thar’s what happened prior to 1973. Of course women who would go to countries like Canada could not be prosecuted because in Canada abortion is legal same as here.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

Or again…Nazi Germany could’ve made excuses for what they did as well.

Nazi women forced people to do something; the US doesn’t. It’s not a valid comparison.

 

[Pier]

Oh, they do not.

Typical Hillary trash talk.

Yo, it didn’t take long for the name-calling to start, did it?

Actually I was quoting Jesus Christ, from Matthew 6:

" “No one can serve two masters. He will either hate one and love the other, or be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.” (NAB)

 

[Lily_Bernans]

The Democratics have given this country a cancer that it needs to be cured from.

If you’re speaking of abortion, the Republicans are the ones that ushered in that evil. Roe v. Wade - 7-2 - five upholding justices were Republican appointed. Even if we take away the two Democrats who voted to uphold, it would still have been a 5-4 split, with the Republicans voting to uphold. Republican appointees upheld Roe v. Wade and made abortion legal.

I hope we continue with a Democratic president.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

Yo, it didn’t take long for the name-calling to start, did it?

Actually I was quoting Jesus Christ, from Matthew 6:

" “No one can serve two masters. He will either hate one and love the other, or be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.” (NAB)

That would seem to fit better with the Trump thread. LOL

 

[Monkey1976]

I hope we continue with a Democratic president.

Remind me: Which party has as part of their published platform the unrestricted “right” of a woman to murder her unborn child for any reason and at any time prior to the issuance of a birth certificate?

 

[Pier]

So if we make abortion ILLEGAL, we will have to provide a penalty for women who make the choice to MURDER their unborn children.

Do you suggest death or life in prison without the possibility of parole?

Hmm…

As this is YOUR suggestion, please don’t put your thoughts and words in MY mouth. Thanks.

And as has been mentioned before, if abortion was illegal it wouldn’t be (as it SHOULDN’T be) an option, so there would be no need for any melodramatic, overreactive suggestions on anyone’s part. MORE win-win!

 

[meltzerboy]

Hmm…

As this is YOUR suggestion, please don’t put your thoughts and words in MY mouth. Thanks.

And as has been mentioned before, if abortion was illegal it wouldn’t be (as it SHOULDN’T be) an option, so there would be no need for any melodramatic, overreactive suggestions on anyone’s part. MORE win-win!

Abortion wouldn’t be an option in a legal abortion clinic because none would exist. However, women who wanted an abortion might use an illegal abortionist, with or without medical training. In that case, the question remains whether these women ought to be punished for murder and, if so, how?

 

[Lily_Bernans]

Hmm…

As this is YOUR suggestion, please don’t put your thoughts and words in MY mouth. Thanks.

And as has been mentioned before, if abortion was illegal it wouldn’t be (as it SHOULDN’T be) an option, so there would be no need for any melodramatic, overreactive suggestions on anyone’s part. MORE win-win!

I really think you know that before 1973 women went to illegal abortionists or self-aborted. I’m not trying to put words in your mouth, so do you know women did that? Women who could afford it went to another country where abortion was legal and safer than one performed by an illegal abortionist.

There’s no reason to believe that women who are determined not to have a baby wouldn’t self-abort or go to an illegal abortionist because there are always those wiling to prey upon the desperate, and some women are desperate to rid themselves of their child.

How are illegal abortionists, self-abortions, and perhaps criminal penalties for abortion win-win? I fail to see any win in this until people learn to respect the sanctity of life. Maybe you can educate me?

I think maybe we misunderstand each other. I’m not pro-abortion. But I do believe it should be legal because not everyone holds the religious beliefs I do, and I believe in freedom of religion. I believe indiscriminate abortion should be stopped by teaching children about the sanctity of life as soon as they are old enough to understand.

 

[Little_Sheep]

Remind me: Which party has as part of their published platform the unrestricted “right” of a woman to murder her unborn child for any reason and at any time prior to the issuance of a birth certificate?

I believe that one of the reasons we will have another democratic President is that most of the citizens in our country agree that Roe v. Wade was a wise decision in 1973 and remains a wise decision today.

I hope those who are anti-choice will take comfort in the fact that abortion has dropped in substantive numbers in the last 7 years.

 

[Path_Finder]

I believe that one of the reasons we will have another democratic President is that most of the citizens in our country agree that Roe v. Wade was a wise decision in 1973 and remains a wise decision today.

I hope those who are anti-choice will take comfort in the fact that abortion has dropped in substantive numbers in the last 7 years.

One is free to harbor their opinion, however I can remember the Gipper’s words:

"I’ve noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born.”

And States, multiple states have shut down abortion clinics, de-funded planned parenthood so I guess one can take comfort in that.

 

[Pier]

What about the women who go to doctors practicing abortion illegally or attempt to self-abort? Thar’s what happened prior to 1973. Of course women who would go to countries like Canada could not be prosecuted because in Canada abortion is legal same as here.

THIS is where the education system would come in, as the young would be instead of informed of the dangerous and unnatural processes of the PAST, wherein babies were killed in their mother’s bodies - they’d be reassured that not only were these barbaric practices no longer allowed, but where REAL help can be found should they find themselves pregnant.

 

[Little_Sheep]

One is free to harbor their opinion, however I can remember the Gipper’s words:

"I’ve noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born.”

And States, multiple states have shut down abortion clinics, de-funded planned parenthood so I guess one can take comfort in that.

I’m certainly not bothered by the legal tug of war concerning the States desires and a women’s fundamental rights. That is our system and I respect it.