Hillary Clinton Thread

[Peter_J]

yahoo.com/politics/hillary-clinton-aipac-speech-trump-151315028.html

“I know that all of you understand what’s at stake in this election,” Clinton said. “We need steady hands, not a president who says he is neutral on Monday, pro-Israel on Tuesday, and who knows what on Wednesday because everything’s negotiable. Well, my friends, Israel’s security is nonnegotiable.”

Hmm… if she’s serious, well said Hillary Clinton.

A stopped clock …

 

[meltzerboy]

It’s no more than a myth now, and hasn’t been more than that for a long time. In that respect, the Dem party is like a profligate scion of a wealthy family, living off its patrimony.

Back in the days when I was a Democrat activist, I really did believe the party cared about the poor and working people, and I believe for a part of that time it really did.

But when it became obvious that the only thing it really cared about was abortion, it became clear to me that one could not simultaneously support it and remain a faithful Catholic. So, we parted company; probably permanently as I do not believe it will return to its former nature in my lifetime. It’s too wedded to the mores of those who now support it.

You’ve said several times that the only thing the Democratic Party cares about is abortion. Do you really think that is the ONLY issue they care about or are you just using that issue as a main reason not to vote for candidates in the Party?

 

[columbkille77]

yahoo.com/politics/hillary-clinton-aipac-speech-trump-151315028.html

“I know that all of you understand what’s at stake in this election,” Clinton said. “We need steady hands, not a president who says he is neutral on Monday, pro-Israel on Tuesday, and who knows what on Wednesday because everything’s negotiable. Well, my friends, Israel’s security is nonnegotiable.”

Hmm… if she’s serious, well said Hillary Clinton.

I disagree, actually. I don’t think America should be guaranteeing the security of other nations. I don’t want us to be the world’s police. We have $20 trillion dollars of debt and can’t even secure our own border, much less guarantee peace around the globe. We need to get back to basics and fix our own problems first.

 

[YADA]

Hillary doesn’t support late term abortions unless the mother’s life is in danger:

“CLINTON: My opponent is wrong. I have said many times that I can support a ban on late-term abortions, including partial-birth abortions, so long as the health and life of the mother is protected. I’ve met women who faced this heart-wrenching decision toward the end of a pregnancy. Of course it’s a horrible procedure. No one would argue with that. But if your life is at stake, if your health is at stake, if the potential for having any more children is at stake, this must be a woman’s choice.”

ontheissues.org/2008/Hillary_Clinton_Abortion.htm

You would be correct if Hillary said Life of the mother and left it at that… But she adds the code words of any and all abortions …health of the mother

and as someone said with late term baby and life of the mother issues…a C section saves both

Health of the mother is so loosely defined as the mother feeling stress, wondering if she made the correct decision …has had a fight with anyone …

 

[YADA]

A lot of people think that the Republicans are for the little guys, but I don;t see the following Republicans as little guys or as poor guys:
Trump, Charles Koch, David Koch, Mitt Romney, families such as Walton, Hearst, Dupont and Hunt. How many houses did John McCain say he had? Was it seven or eight or…? As I recall he had so many houses that he didn’t know how many he had.

politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2014/jun/23/do-many-billionaires-support-democratic-party/

We cross-checked the Open Secrets list of the top 100 individuals donating to outside spending groups in the current election against the Forbes list of the world’s billionaires and found that, as of June 19, there were 22 individuals on the Open Secrets list who were billionaires. **Of those 22 billionaires, 13 – or more than half – gave predominantly to liberal groups or groups affiliated with the Democratic Party. The other nine gave predominantly to conservative groups. **A list of billionaires and how much they donated can be found here.)/QUOTE]

 

[graciew]

This is a specious argument for late term or partial birth abortions.Logic tells me that if the mothers’ life is in imminent danger,why is an abortion at this stage safer than say a c -section? With a c- section the baby can be out in minutes.

Yes…it is hard to think of an example… There is technology today. Many years ago they would help develop lungs faster if there was such late term emergency ,but today there is help even for very low weight babies.
I looked up what partial birth was,and I ran across the procedure.

 

[Tomdstone]

Hillary doesn’t support late term abortions unless the mother’s life is in danger:

“CLINTON: My opponent is wrong. I have said many times that I can support a ban on late-term abortions, including partial-birth abortions, so long as the health and life of the mother is protected. I’ve met women who faced this heart-wrenching decision toward the end of a pregnancy. Of course it’s a horrible procedure. No one would argue with that. But if your life is at stake, if your health is at stake, if the potential for having any more children is at stake, this must be a woman’s choice.”

ontheissues.org/2008/Hillary_Clinton_Abortion.htm

According to this site, Hillary defended partial birth abortion. Also, Hillary has stated that religious beliefs have to be changed.
lifedynamics.com/hillary-clinton-defended-partial-birth-abortion/

 

[chero23]

Please see the Ted Cruz thread for more discussion on that.

Ummm, senator Cruz is not one innocent individual. Remember the emails he sent out, or his staff did, prior to Iowa stating that Ben Carson had dropped out?

He did the same to Rubio.

His hands are dirty.

 

[Peter_J]

Ummm, senator Cruz is not one innocent individual. Remember the emails he sent out, or his staff did, prior to Iowa stating that Ben Carson had dropped out?

I do. But I think Cruz is far better than either of the front runners (or Bernie Sanders). Then there’s Kasich, but I just don’t think he can get the nomination.

 

[chero23]

I do. But I think Cruz is far better than either of the front runners (or Bernie Sanders). Then there’s Kasich, but I just don’t think he can get the nomination.

I don’t have to much confidence in him considering that he came out of the Bush administration. I wasn’t a big fan of Bush.

 

[Ridgerunner]

You’ve said several times that the only thing the Democratic Party cares about is abortion. Do you really think that is the ONLY issue they care about or are you just using that issue as a main reason not to vote for candidates in the Party?

An event happened that changed it for awhile. The party also took on homosexual “marriage” as an additional cause. But it won that one, so it’s now back to abortion as essentially the only thing the party stands for.

I really can’t say that anti-Catholicism is a “party” program. Certainly, it’s one of Obama’s, but it can’t be said that all Democrats share it, because probably some don’t. And, too, one might regard that as a subcategory of its support for abortion on demand. The two are closely related.

But you are right in a way. The party’s devotion to abortion on demand is sufficient reason for me not to vote for any Democrat who has appeared on my ballot for years and years. But I’ll add that nothing else it has accomplished or promoted for a very long time would suffice to make me think anything of value is lost in voting against them.

 

[mary_bobo]

I don’t have to much confidence in him considering that he came out of the Bush administration. I wasn’t a big fan of Bush.

Kasich did not come out of the Bush administration. He was elected by the constituents in his state and was in office before Bush (if you mean GW) was elected. Of all the candidates I believe he is best. He has proven that he can work with both sides of the isle and he realizes that he would not get everything he wants. I think it is very important to work on the fiscal policy of this country and I believe he is best suited to do so. I did not like much of what GW did, either.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Kasich did not come out of the Bush administration. He was elected by the constituents in his state and was in office before Bush (if you mean GW) was elected. Of all the candidates I believe he is best. He has proven that he can work with both sides of the isle and he realizes that he would not get everything he wants. I think it is very important to work on the fiscal policy of this country and I believe he is best suited to do so. I did not like much of what GW did, either.

I am in agreement with you. However, I don’t see Kasich as a likely prospect to win the nomination anymore.

 

[Peter_J]

… he came out of the Bush administration.

Well, I wouldn’t vote for him because of that, but that wouldn’t prevent me from voting for him either.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

According to this site, Hillary defended partial birth abortion. Also, Hillary has stated that religious beliefs have to be changed.
lifedynamics.com/hillary-clinton-defended-partial-birth-abortion/

The religious beliefs thing has been put to rest by me and several other posters. Hillary Clinton was talking about patriarchal societies and religions that force women into a subservient position. Or perhaps you think women should be denied the vote, education, jobs, etc.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

Yep, God bless her, but you are correct that to dodge the never-ending assault of bullets, HRC almost has to behave even more ethical than anyone else is expected to be. Where was venom towards Powell or Rice about their unsecured email communications?..where were the Congressional hearings when 200 Marines were killed in Beirut during Reagan’s Presidency when there was ample evidence that the area was unsafe?

Such nonsense makes me shake my head and :roll eyes:

I’m almost 50 years old, so I have known Hillary as a public servant for most of my adult life. I have investigated every allegation against her and Bill both. My efforts have brought me to the conclusion that if you repeat misinformation long enough and loudly enough, said misinformation will leave a residue, especially if it is presented to someone who wants it to be true. Such nonsense.

Hillary Clinton ( like every other human running for the highest office of our country) is in no way, shape or form a perfect person or a perfect candidate. That said, there is no one I trust more this year to lead our nation. And I can easily double down on that opinion when I take a gander at what the Republican Party offers to me in terms of a President.

Well said, Little Sheep!

 

[rmartensjr]

Hillary doesn’t support late term abortions unless the mother’s life is in danger:

“CLINTON: My opponent is wrong. I have said many times that I can support a ban on late-term abortions, including partial-birth abortions, so long as the ***health ***and life of the mother is protected. I’ve met women who faced this heart-wrenching decision toward the end of a pregnancy. Of course it’s a horrible procedure. No one would argue with that. But if your life is at stake, if your ***health ***is at stake, if the potential for having any more children is at stake, this must be a woman’s choice.”

ontheissues.org/2008/Hillary_Clinton_Abortion.htm

Hillary doesn’t support late term abortions unless the mother’s life or health is in danger.

You do realize, don’t you, that health was so broadly defined by SCOTUS that any reason is included under health. If you have any question about this, check with your relative, Fr. Frank Pavone.

 

[Jeanne_S]

Hillary doesn’t support late term abortions unless the mother’s life or health is in danger.

You do realize, don’t you, that health was so broadly defined by SCOTUS that any reason is included under health. If you have any question about this, check with your relative, Fr. Frank Pavone.

Partial birth abortion is never required. Essentially the baby is essentially born then subsequently murdered seconds before taking its first breath. Anyone who condones this practice for even the rarest of reasons isn’t fooling me

 

[adowcday]

You’ve said several times that the only thing the Democratic Party cares about is abortion. Do you really think that is the ONLY issue they care about or are you just using that issue as a main reason not to vote for candidates in the Party?

Interestingly, during all of the debates between Hillary and Bernie, abortion has barely been mentioned. It certainly isn’t the central issue to the candidates and most people in the Democratic party. The domestic economy and foreign affairs (including combating terrorism) are probably #1 and #2 on the list of most important issues.

I understand why abortion is the most important issue to some Catholic voters, but it’s not valid to say that it is the most important issue to the Democratic Party. It just isn’t.

 

[7_Sorrows]

Interestingly, during all of the debates between Hillary and Bernie, abortion has barely been mentioned. It certainly isn’t the central issue to the candidates and most people in the Democratic party. The domestic economy and foreign affairs (including combating terrorism) are probably #1 and #2 on the list of most important issues.

I understand why abortion is the most important issue to some Catholic voters, but it’s not valid to say that it is the most important issue to the Democratic Party. It just isn’t.

which is telling about the democrats!