Hillary Clinton Thread

[YADA]

She’s talking about patriarchal societies in which women have no say, no rights. She isn’t referring to abortion. Links to the audio of her speech have been posted as well as a transcript.

No - Hillary is talking about our American society where a woman’s right to kill her unborn [or partially born to extract the pieces] child is sacrosanct … She is definitely referring to abortion in America today …

Hillary opposes women seeking an abortion being fully informed [mandatory ultra-sounds] about abortion …

Hillary is opposed to any restrictions … and we are not speaking of an exception for the life of the mother … the mother’s “health” issue is code for abortion in demand for any reason … ask Father Pavone what the “health” of the mother means in legal circles … it is not what you are implying **

 

[rmartensjr]

I don’t think you are moving in the direction you want:

patheos.com/blogs/faithfuldemocrats/2012/09/if-you-are-truly-pro-life-youd-vote-democrat/

"The Republican and Religious Right’s focus on criminalization and overturning Roe may makes proponents feel good, but it does not help the unborn. Republicans first made this a political issue back in the late 1970s, and we have as many abortions now as we had then. Despite decades of campaign promises and a period where 7 of 9 Supreme Court Justices were GOP appointees and Republicans controlled the White House and both branches of Congress, Roe remains the law of the land.

There is a reason abortions went up under Reagan, up under Bush I, saw their largest decline since Roe under Clinton, and then leveled out again under Bush II (abortion data isn’t available yet for Obama’s first term). Democratic policies reduce abortions, and Republican policies tend to result in more.

It is true that to many Christians the answer the GOP gives to the question of when life begins sounds better than the answer from Democrats. But to the unborn, there is no question that what Democrats do is much better than what Republicans do. So if you feel results are more important than words when it comes to “Life,” there is really no debate that Democrats are the Party for you."

politicususa.com/2014/02/03/newsflash-republicans-abortion-rate-fell-13-president-obama.html

liberalamerica.org/2014/02/03/abortion-rates-lower-obama-reagan-bush/

Edit: Abortions declined 13% under Obama.

I care about the unborn. I’m voting Democratic.

That is an UNMITIGATED LIE of the worst kind!!!

 

[Jeanne_S]

That is an UNMITIGATED LIE of the worst kind!!!

Yep!

 

[YADA]

Again, I have to remind you that it was a Republican appointed Supreme Court who made that legal. You cannot blame that on the Democrats. If Republicans wouldn’t have upheld Roe v Wade, we wouldn’t be having this conversation in the first place.

That is something the Republicans have to take responsibility for.

Remind us which president vetoed the Partial Birth Abortion Ban in 1995 …

A gruesome procedure which should never have been performed let alone require a law to prevent its occurrence.

Now - what was that Presidents name … waiting

 

[YADA]

If you can remind us which party appointed the justices that upheld Roe v Wade?

Can you remind us how the democratically nominated justices voted on Gonzales V Carhart … a modest ban on a gruesome procedure

 

[_Abyssinia]

I don’t think you are moving in the direction you want:

patheos.com/blogs/faithfuldemocrats/2012/09/if-you-are-truly-pro-life-youd-vote-democrat/

"The Republican and Religious Right’s focus on criminalization and overturning Roe may makes proponents feel good, but it does not help the unborn. Republicans first made this a political issue back in the late 1970s, and we have as many abortions now as we had then. Despite decades of campaign promises and a period where 7 of 9 Supreme Court Justices were GOP appointees and Republicans controlled the White House and both branches of Congress, Roe remains the law of the land.

There is a reason abortions went up under Reagan, up under Bush I, saw their largest decline since Roe under Clinton, and then leveled out again under Bush II (abortion data isn’t available yet for Obama’s first term). Democratic policies reduce abortions, and Republican policies tend to result in more.

It is true that to many Christians the answer the GOP gives to the question of when life begins sounds better than the answer from Democrats. But to the unborn, there is no question that what Democrats do is much better than what Republicans do. So if you feel results are more important than words when it comes to “Life,” there is really no debate that Democrats are the Party for you."

politicususa.com/2014/02/03/newsflash-republicans-abortion-rate-fell-13-president-obama.html

liberalamerica.org/2014/02/03/abortion-rates-lower-obama-reagan-bush/

Edit: Abortions declined 13% under Obama.

I care about the unborn. I’m voting Democratic.

The reason for the abortion decline is likely to be multifaceted, but what of the hundreds of abortion regulation laws that have been made law, largely thanks to Republicans who took majorities in many state legislatures after being elected after the 2010 midterm elections and Republican Governors for signing the bills into law. Some Democrats may have also voted for these laws, but I suspect very few in comparison to Republicans. What impact have these laws had during Barack Obama’s Presidency? Has a single Democratic Governor signed a piece of abortion regulation/restriction legislation into law in the last 10 years?

If you look at abortion under George W Bush, if you look at the data there is variance, increase, decrease, year by year, but when you look at the data from a different angle over multiple years:

between 2000 and 2005, data from Guttmacher indicates that the number of abortions fell by 8.1 percent and data from the CDC indicates that abortions fell by 2.9 percent.

nationalreview.com/corner/182510/abortion-statistics-101-michael-j-new

Some states don’t report certain abortion data though, I don’t think.

 

[rmartensjr]

“The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports
Roe v. Wade and a woman’s right to make decisions regarding
her pregnancy, including a safe and legal abortion, regardless
of ability to pay. We oppose any and all efforts to weaken or
undermine that right.”
2012 Democratic National Platform, p. 52

From Fr. Pavone priestsforlife.org/candidates/2012-party-platform-comparison.pdf

 

[Lily_Bernans]

That is an UNMITIGATED LIE of the worst kind!!!

It’s right there in black and white. I didn’t make it up and put it on the Internet.

Abortions rise under Republicans; they decline under Democrats.

 

[rmartensjr]

It’s right there in black and white. I didn’t make it up and put it on the Internet.

Abortions rise under Republicans; they decline under Democrats.

No, someone else did! Oh wait, I forgot that everything on the Internet is true.

“The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports
Roe v. Wade and a woman’s right to make decisions regarding
her pregnancy, including a safe and legal abortion, regardless
of ability to pay. We oppose any and all efforts to weaken or
undermine that right.”
2012 Democratic National Platform, p. 52

 

[YADA]

A woman who doesn’t want an ultrasound will never be forced to have one.

I’m against abortion myself, but after 40 years, no inroads have been made. You need to find another way of stopping it. Plenty of Republican presidents have come and gone, and abortion is still here. Can’t you see that what you’re doing isn’t working? It’s lip service, that’s all. Take another path to your goal.

After 40 years we do have inroads … twice a Ban on Partial Birth Abortion was passed by congress with a majority of republicans and few democrats voting in favor …

The first time the legislation was vetoed by a democratic president.

Passed a second time and signed into law by a republican - then upheld by the US Supreme Court …

That - though small is an inroad … and in no way was it accomplished with support from any democratic politician … in fact the democrats and the democratic party fought this regulation of abortion on demand.

 

[YADA]

Better than unsafe and illegal. It did exist prior to 1973, you know. A woman who wants an abortion is going to get one, legal or not, even if she has to do the procedure herself.

and people who are bent on car theft or murder are going to commit the crime anyway … so should we make car theft and murder safe and legal?

 

[rmartensjr]

After 40 years we do have inroads … twice a Ban on Partial Birth Abortion was passed by congress with a majority of republicans and few democrats voting in favor …

The first time the legislation was vetoed by a democratic president.

Passed a second time and signed into law by a republican - then upheld by the US Supreme Court …

That - though small is an inroad … and in no way was it accomplished with support from any democratic politician … in fact the democrats and the democratic party fought this regulation of abortion on demand.

 

[rmartensjr]

and people who are bent on car theft or murder are going to commit the crime anyway … so should we make car theft and murder safe and legal?

:thumbsup:Carry on for me, I’m going to bed.

 

[Sy_Noe]

I think you’re exactly right. Here is what Hillary was asked and responded:

Q: Do you believe personally that life begins at conception?

A: I believe that the potential for life begins at conception. I am a Methodist, as you know. My church has struggled with this issue. In fact, you can look at the Methodist Book of Discipline and see the contradiction and the challenge of trying to sort that very profound question out.

But for me, it is also not only about a potential life; it is about the other lives involved. And, therefore, I have concluded, after great concern and searching my own mind and heart over many years, that our task should be in this pluralistic, diverse life of ours in this nation that individuals must be entrusted to make this profound decision, because the alternative would be such an intrusion of government authority that it would be very difficult to sustain in our kind of open society. And as some of you’ve heard me discuss before, I think abortion should remain legal, but it needs to be safe and rare.

I have met thousands and thousands of pro-choice men and women. I have never met anyone who is pro-abortion. Being pro-choice is not being pro-abortion. Being pro-choice is trusting the individual to make the right decision for herself and her family, and not entrusting that decision to anyone wearing the authority of government in any regard.

ontheissues.org/2016/Hillary_Clinton_Abortion.htm

I haven’t read yet past pg 35 but had to stop and thank you for this, Lily.

 

[YADA]

Your path is not working. Period.

And you are so proud that your path is working … in my state 14,100 babies lost their life in your safe and legal abortion mills …

You blame the mothers - but do you even know how many of them are co-erced by parents, boyfriends, teachers, our society, etc. - all who tell them how much better their lives will be … what a crock …

 

[Lily_Bernans]

I haven’t read yet past pg 35 but had to stop and thank you for this, Lily.

Thank you, Sy. I wish I could take credit for it, but another Sanders/Hillary supporter actually directed me to it. I would give him credit, but I can’t remember his name!

It is interesting. All the facts right there.

Clinton and Trump just won Arizona, but Bernie is likely to win Utah and Idaho. The turnout is so huge in Utah, they can’t even verify that all the voters are registered! I’ll bet you are watching, too!

 

[Peter_J]

How do some people here focus on abortion so much? Look, I’m against abortion, but it seems like that’s almost all that is spoken about on this board.

I’ve too have noticed the strong opposition to abortion on this forum. I think it’s great!

To me the problem is this: in view of the strong opposition to abortion on this forum, I’m completely baffled at the way Donald Trump has the forum wrapped around his finger.

 

[Sy_Noe]

I’d welcome a break from the abortion issue here! LOL It seems like people are forgetting there are other issues.

:clapping: Sadly though it does certainly appear to me too that people here forget there are other issues. :sad_yes: If you’ve noticed, I tired of it all being about 1 issue so I haven’t been as involved. It gets old to me after awhile and I need a break from 1 issue politics. But I certainly have kept up to this point and tip my :tiphat: to you for your perseverance and patience in explaining the same things over and over and over again. For that I must give you a :bowdown2:

 

[jediliz]

lifenews.com/2016/03/22/my-daughter-survived-the-abortion-22-years-later-im-so-glad-she-did/

The woman from this story was told her baby at 5 weeks gestation was just a “clump of villi” when she asked if it was alive.

 

[Sy_Noe]

Thank you, Sy. I wish I could take credit for it, but another Sanders/Hillary supporter actually directed me to it. I would give him credit, but I can’t remember his name!

It is interesting. All the facts right there.

Clinton and Trump just won Arizona, but Bernie is likely to win Utah and Idaho. The turnout is so huge in Utah, they can’t even verify that all the voters are registered! I’ll bet you are watching, too!

I was watching but they kept saying “too early to call” so you are from whom I actually just learned about Hillary winning AZ (& Trump on the GOP side). As if I recall correctly, we both predicted when Little Sheep asked what we thought about AZ Yes Bernie is expected to take the other 2 states. I think I heard he was in San Diego tonight and Hillary in the state of Washington. I saw a line at an Idaho Democratic caucus site at least a mile long too!