Hillary Clinton Thread

[Tomdstone]

With the above strict standards in mind, depending on the meaning of partial-birth abortion, if ANY part of the child’s head or torso is already outside the mother’s own body, then abortion is prohibited since the baby’s right to life is EXACTLY EQUAL to that of the mother according to Jewish law.

This is important because Hillary supports the woman’s right to choose a partial birth abortion “if your health is at stake, if the potential for having any more children is at stake” .

 

[Monkey1976]

Sometimes conjoined twins exist and one develops normally and one does not. In that case, the one who does not develop normally often has to be aborted through a partial birth abortion or it will kill the other twin. Would you rather one live or none live?

The separation of conjoined twins in order to try and save the life of one in the womb while attempting to save the life of the one born prematurely is also not an abortion.

Still waiting for a medical condition that requires the direct killing of a child as a treatment or cure.

 

[mary_bobo]

Sanders is my favorite candidate.

It’s not at all upsetting, but it is tiresome to go over and over and over and over and over the same issue, whether it’s abortion or another issue.

I just have no interest in continuing.

When why do you persist in responding to the issue? If I were tired of something, I would avoid it and not aggravate myself.

 

[Tomdstone]

If you can’t convince me, then think how impossible it will be to convince those who would have abortions.

Think how impossible it might be in some cases to convince a husband not to murder his wife. Regardless of whether you can convince him or not, it is still illegal.

 

[Tomdstone]

To turn away from the dialogue ,to try and shut it down ,is being negligent in the efforts to stop this practice.

I can see why the supporters of Hillary don’t want to talk about it much. Hillary supports partial birth abortion under the vague and ill-defined conditions “if your health is at stake, if the potential for having any more children is at stake”.

 

[Tomdstone]

Exactly! No one is forcing me. Just like no one is forcing a woman to have an abortion! Thank you for proving my point. Just because an evil exists doesn’t mean any woman has to participate in it.

No one forces a man to kill his wife, but it is still illegal.

 

[Jeanne_S]

I can see why the supporters of Hillary don’t want to talk about it much. Hillary supports partial birth abortion under the vague and ill-defined conditions “if your health is at stake, if the potential for having any more children is at stake”.

Agree.Especially when these individuals realize they cannot win the debate by defending the indefensible.

 

[TMC]

Serious question for all the single issue abortion voters. Hillary says she wants abortion to be safe, legal and rare, and also says she supports reasonable limitations. I think that serious pro-life people have a right to be skeptical of those statements (and I know you are).

Given that, why are some of you supporting (or at least accepting) Trump? To me, he seems no better than Hillary. Are you buying his convenient recent supposed conversion to the pro-life cause? Or do you just think he will be better than Hillary on the issue? I think nominating Trump takes the issue out of play for this cycle. Why do you not?

 

[Jeanne_S]

Serious question for all the single issue abortion voters. Hillary says she wants abortion to be safe, legal and rare, and also says she supports reasonable limitations. I think that serious pro-life people have a right to be skeptical of those statements (and I know you are).

Given that, why are some of you supporting (or at least accepting) Trump? To me, he seems no better than Hillary. Are you buying his convenient recent supposed conversion to the pro-life cause? Or do you just think he will be better than Hillary on the issue? I think nominating Trump takes the issue out of play for this cycle. Why do you not?

I think an argument can be made that with Hillary you know what you are getting.With Trump albiet with a leap of faith,there is a chance that he will do what he promises.

 

[TMC]

I think an argument can be made that with Hillary you know what you are getting.With Trump albiet with a leap of faith,there is a chance that he will do what he promises.

Fair enough. My viewpoint is that when you combine how little either is likely to do on the issue with the substantial chance (in my view) that he is not really pro-life, there is not real difference between them. But I think it reasonable to think otherwise.

 

[cheesypoptart]

I agree the protests by the militant left will get worse, but I predict there will be a backlash that drives the middle to lean right.

Wow! Sometimes I wonder how you guys can call yourselves Christians smh! No I think the right is doomed I mean no offense but you guys can run a clown show and make all the noise you want but nobody is listening so keep it on!:extrahappy:

 

[DoGodsBidding]

When why do you persist in responding to the issue? If I were tired of something, I would avoid it and not aggravate myself.

 

[Jeanne_S]

Fair enough. My viewpoint is that when you combine how little either is likely to do on the issue with the substantial chance (in my view) that he is not really pro-life, there is not real difference between them. But I think it reasonable to think otherwise.

Yes and that is the thin margin that he will actually follow through.Having said that my choice is Cruz,Kasich then if I have to Trump.

 

[jediliz]

Serious question for all the single issue abortion voters. Hillary says she wants abortion to be safe, legal and rare, and also says she supports reasonable limitations. I think that serious pro-life people have a right to be skeptical of those statements (and I know you are).

Given that, why are some of you supporting (or at least accepting) Trump? To me, he seems no better than Hillary. Are you buying his convenient recent supposed conversion to the pro-life cause? Or do you just think he will be better than Hillary on the issue? I think nominating Trump takes the issue out of play for this cycle. Why do you not?

one MILLION abortions IS NOT RARE.

And I also care about national security, keeping jobs HERE and bringing them back. I also care about the poor, but I don’t think the GOVERNMENT should be in charge of taking care of them. That’s why I support charities that help them…charities not run by the government.

Perhaps abortion (the BIGGEST life issue) is important to me because of all the future tax payers who lost their lives BEFORE they even got to contribute. And then there’s the babies who die because they were imperfect, the wrong sex or conceived at THE wrong time.

 

[TMC]

one MILLION abortions IS NOT RARE.

And I also care about national security, keeping jobs HERE and bringing them back. I also care about the poor, but I don’t think the GOVERNMENT should be in charge of taking care of them. That’s why I support charities that help them…charities not run by the government.

Perhaps abortion (the BIGGEST life issue) is important to me because of all the future tax payers who lost their lives BEFORE they even got to contribute. And then there’s the babies who die because they were imperfect, the wrong sex or conceived at THE wrong time.

I am not asking why you think abortion is important. I know that. I also know why you don’t trust Hillary on the issue. I am asking why you trust Trump on abortion (if you do).

 

[Little_Sheep]

:clapping: Sadly though it does certainly appear to me too that people here forget there are other issues. :sad_yes: If you’ve noticed, I tired of it all being about 1 issue so I haven’t been as involved. It gets old to me after awhile and I need a break from 1 issue politics. But I certainly have kept up to this point and tip my :tiphat: to you for your perseverance and patience in explaining the same things over and over and over again. For that I must give you a :bowdown2:

Amen to all of this!

I actually love discussing politics - I find it energizing to learn how others think about the issues that face us all. But I had no idea that a one-trick pony would be trotted out at the mention of Clinton (or any Dem, really) in this environment. Lesson learned. Still praying about the best strategy to maintain my sanity!

In any event, the Dem primaries and caucuses last night wound up where I guess everyone thought they would. Congrats to Bernie & Hillary.

Also, today, the horror in Belgium weighs heavily on my heart. I agree that now, perhaps more than ever, our country needs a steady, experienced hand in charge of its foreign policy decisions. There’s no one who better understands the people, the ideologies and the relationships at the heart of terrorism better than HRC. And I say that as a person who does not agree with every foreign policy call she has made in her career.

 

[Jeanne_S]

Amen to all of this!

I actually love discussing politics - I find it energizing to learn how others think about the issues that face us all. But I had no idea that a one-trick pony would be trotted out at the mention of Clinton (or any Dem, really) in this environment. Lesson learned. Still praying about the best strategy to maintain my sanity!

In any event, the Dem primaries and caucuses last night wound up where I guess everyone thought they would. Congrats to Bernie & Hillary.

Also, today, the horror in Belgium weighs heavily on my heart. I agree that now, perhaps more than ever, our country needs a steady, experienced hand in charge of its foreign policy decisions. There’s no one who better understands the people, the ideologies and the relationships at the heart of terrorism better than HRC. And I say that as a person who does not agree with every foreign policy call she has made in her career.

One trick pony?How rude when we are talking about the slaughter of innocent life by the thousands on a daily basis. This is a Catholic forum.If you find it tedious to discuss the horrors of abortion,well you have options.

 

[Tomdstone]

Also, today, the horror in Belgium weighs heavily on my heart. I agree that now, perhaps more than ever, our country needs a steady, experienced hand in charge of its foreign policy decisions. There’s no one who better understands the people, the ideologies and the relationships at the heart of terrorism better than HRC.

A lot of people thought that Merkel had a " steady, experienced hand ", but as time goes on, and as more women in Germany are being molested, some are changing their opinions of the value of her steady experience.

 

[Little_Sheep]

One trick pony?How rude when we are talking about the slaughter of innocent life by the thousands on a daily basis. This is a Catholic forum.If you find it tedious to discuss the horrors of abortion,well you have options.

Thank you for helping me settle upon my strategy! Much obliged.

 

[cheesypoptart]

One trick pony?How rude when we are talking about the slaughter of innocent life by the thousands on a daily basis. This is a Catholic forum.If you find it tedious to discuss the horrors of abortion,well you have options.

This is a Catholic Forum I would beg to differ