Hillary Clinton Thread

[grotto]

Presidential primaries
Last updated Mar 24, 2016 at 9:49 PM ET
REPUBLICANDEMOCRATIC
Delegate results
2,383 needed for nomination · 2,129 still available
Clinton
Sanders
1,690
946
Pledged delegates 1,223 920
Superdelegates 467 26
Pledged delegates are based on state primary results, while superdelegates can support any candidate. Delegate results aren’t final until the convention in July.

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Clinton has 467 Superdelegates Sanders has 26

Done deal? Who is kidding who - Sanders has a campaign/chance? $$ ?

 

[Little_Sheep]

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Apology accepted. Your acceptance leaves a little bit to be desired though as you say I did not tell an untruth (lie) on purpose! The information that I obtained substantiates what I said. Honesty is a must. If its tiresome for you to listen to people, why not take some time off! It may be more difficult for you than most.

Apology accepted. Your acceptance leaves a little bit to be desired though as you say I did not tell an untruth (lie) on purpose! The information that I obtained substantiates what I said. Honesty is a must. If its tiresome for you to listen to people, why not take some time off! It may be more difficult for you than most.

Oh, I’m well-versed in time-outs. As a genuine introvert, I plan them into my Life Schedule.

Again, I apologize sincerely that my post may have painted you as dishonest and not a genuine participant in the discussion. That is not okay on my part. I welcome your words and opinions, and I understand that I am not even a little bit perfect when I try to express mine.

If my post painted your words as dishonest, my apology remains sincere. I will be more gentle in future discussions.

Sweet dreams to you on this Holy Night.

 

[Little_Sheep]

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Apology accepted. Your acceptance leaves a little bit to be desired though as you say I did not tell an untruth (lie) on purpose! The information that I obtained substantiates what I said. Honesty is a must. If its tiresome for you to listen to people, why not take some time off! It may be more difficult for you than most.

Oh, I’m well-versed in time-outs. As a genuine introvert, I plan them into my Life Schedule.

Again, I apologize sincerely that my post may have painted you as dishonest and not a genuine participant in the discussion. That is not okay on my part. I welcome your words and opinions, and I understand that I am not even a little bit perfect when I try to express mine.

If my post painted your words as dishonest, my apology remains sincere. I will be more gentle in future discussions.

Sweet dreams to you on this Holy Night.

 

[Sy_Noe]

Presidential primaries
Last updated Mar 24, 2016 at 9:49 PM ET
REPUBLICANDEMOCRATIC
Delegate results
2,383 needed for nomination · 2,129 still available
Clinton
Sanders
1,690
946
Pledged delegates 1,223 920
Superdelegates 467 26
Pledged delegates are based on state primary results, while superdelegates can support any candidate. Delegate results aren’t final until the convention in July.

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Clinton has 467 Superdelegates Sanders has 26

Done deal? Who is kidding who - Sanders has a campaign/chance? $$ ?

While I would bet, if I were betting which I’m not, on SoS Clinton being our next POTUS if her opponent is Trump or Cruz, I don’t understand what you aren’t grasping about the fact that results are not final yet? The supers if they see Bernie has received the most votes for instance, are free to switch.

I even heard tonight if the Republicans have a contested convention, after the 1st ballot, they could look at electability in choosing their nominee even if Donald Trump were to enter with a large plurality but not enough to secure the nomination on the 1st ballot. And then choose someone polls might show is more electable. I’m not saying they will do such a thing and alienate Trump voters. But it is being talked about.

 

[SuperLuigi]

All Dem delegates (super and otherwise) follow the voice of the Democratic voters. This entire line of argument (as regards the Dems) is meaninglessly rhetorical, imho.

The Republican Party’s nomination (with its first and second votes being completely removed from one another) is not something I fully understand, so I cannot comment intelligently. That said, I won’t lie - as a political junkie, it would be fascinating for me to experience (from afar) a brokered or open Republican Convention!

How exactly are superdelegates the “voice of the people”. :blush:

And where were those comments when Rubio (ie the “Democratic nightmare”) was still in the race?

 

[Thorolfr]

I wouldn’t. The war was just plain wrong. It was not a “just war.” There is no way it met the criteria for a just war (and it didn’t even measure up to the very sensible Powell Doctrine!). A “good” outcome (something like the outcome of the first Gulf War) wouldn’t have made it any more right.

I made up my mind after then-Senator Clinton’s pro-war votes (there was more than one vote) that I would never vote for her, whether in a primary election or a general election.

So did you also make up your mind at that time that you would never vote for any of the 48 Republican senators who voted for the war (that’s all the Republican senators but one) or for any of the 28 other Democrat senators who voted for it or did you only make this decision about Senator Clinton? And if Ted Cruz had been a senator back then, do you think he would have voted against the war unlike virtually all his Republican colleagues in the Senate? Considering that he would probably also have voted for it, too, would that disqualify him in your eyes, too?

 

[Tomdstone]

So did you also make up your mind at that time that you would never vote for any of the 48 Republican senators who voted for the war (that’s all the Republican senators but one) or for any of the 28 other Democrat senators who voted for it or did you only make this decision about Senator Clinton? And if Ted Cruz had been a senator back then, do you think he would have voted against the war unlike virtually all his Republican colleagues in the Senate? Considering that he would probably also have voted for it, too, would that disqualify him in your eyes, too?

Hillary is supposed to be an experienced foreign policy expert. But if that were true, she would have been able to see, just as Bernie Sanders had seen, that the invasion of Iraq was the worst policy blunder in her lifetime.

 

[Thorolfr]

Hillary is supposed to be an experienced foreign policy expert. But if that were true, she would have been able to see, just as Bernie Sanders had seen, that the invasion of Iraq was the worst policy blunder in her lifetime.

How did she become a foreign policy expert? Does she have an advanced degree in international relations or foreign policy perhaps? Was she an experienced diplomat before she became Secretary of State? Or does being First Lady make someone a “foreign policy expert” in which case Michelle Obama must be a foreign policy expert, too.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

How did she become a foreign policy expert? Does she have an advanced degree in international relations or foreign policy perhaps? Was she an experienced diplomat before she became Secretary of State? Or does being First Lady make someone a “foreign policy expert” in which case Michelle Obama must be a foreign policy expert, too.

Being a Senator and Secretary of State gave her a lot of experience. Like her or not, no other candidate has more. I agree the invasion of Iraq was a mistake, but hindsight is 20/20, and people learn from their mistakes, too.

Cruz, Kasich, Trump, and even Sanders, who is my favorite haven’t the foreign policy experience Hillary has.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

Are you forgetting the super delegates? How fair is that? The parties have different rules for selecting a nominee, and in the case of the GOP, if Trump gets to the convention without the requisite number of votes, it will go to a contested selection. After the first ballot the delegates are no longer required to vote for the nominees from their states. With Trump having such high unfavorables, this could get interesting. And as far as the Dems are concerned, they will vote for Hillary despite her high unfavorable ratings.

The super delegates follow the voice of the people. Many of Hillary’s super delegates voted for Obama when it became clear that the Democrats wanted him as their candidate.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

How exactly are superdelegates the “voice of the people”. :blush:

And where were those comments when Rubio (ie the “Democratic nightmare”) was still in the race?

They vote for the candidate the people want. They follow the voice of the people.

 

[mary_bobo]

Being a Senator and Secretary of State gave her a lot of experience. Like her or not, no other candidate has more. I agree the invasion of Iraq was a mistake, but hindsight is 20/20, and people learn from their mistakes, too.

Cruz, Kasich, Trump, and even Sanders, who is my favorite haven’t the foreign policy experience Hillary has.

What has she accomplished with this experience? I don’t quite call it experience when she has been on the periphery of so much. And then there are all the scandals that she seems to be a part of. Don’t those matter?

 

[Peter_J]

While I would bet, if I were betting which I’m not, on SoS Clinton being our next POTUS if her opponent is Trump or Cruz,

I think Cruz will have a good chance. I’m not claiming that he will definitely win if he’s nominated, but at least we can count on a close race. Clinton might decide to moderate some of her positions to win moderates, then Cruz might decide to moderate some of *his *positions …

 

[Lily_Bernans]

What has she accomplished with this experience? I don’t quite call it experience when she has been on the periphery of so much. And then there are all the scandals that she seems to be a part of. Don’t those matter?

She’s interacted with the heads of state of 112 countries and she’s had 22,000 employees working under her. The US didn’t fall apart. That’s more than the other candidates have done, though I’m still a Sanders supporter, who will vote for Hillary if she’s the nominee.

Some of her accomplishments include:

Her China speech on women.

Her role in killing bin Laden.

Management of the State Department during which time the US saw a 50 percent increase in exports to China, aggressive work on climate change, and the effort to create and implement the toughest sanctions ever on Iran—she was the principal author of the agreement with Iran.

As Secretary of State, she negotiated the cease-fire in Gaza that stopped Hamas from firing rocket after rocket into Israel. She helped secure the START treaty’s ratification, and has advanced women’s rights in countries around the globe.

She rebuilt the US’s reputation and leadership overseas after the disastrous Bush years.

That’s a start. No other presidential candidate can compare with her in foreign policy experience. And that’s from a Sanders supporter.

 

[chero23]

I am not getting my hopes up. little tidbits get released teasing us that Hillary might really be in trouble but in the end nothing happens. I have been through enough let downs - the IRS, Benghazi, and now this. Not holding my breath.

People here and in Fox News did say they have a lot of confidence bc the fbi director said he was looking at this case “very closely”. If at the end of the day nothing happens, we should then put blame on the fbi director as well.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

I think Cruz will have a good chance. I’m not claiming that he will definitely win if he’s nominated, but at least we can count on a close race. Clinton might decide to moderate some of her positions to win moderates, then Cruz might decide to moderate some of *his *positions …

I think Cruz-Clinton would be closer than Trump-Clinton. If it’s Trump-Clinton, I think Clinton would win in a landslide. I also think Cruz has a good chance to be nominated on the second ballot, should it come to a brokered convention.

 

[chero23]

She’s interacted with the heads of state of 112 countries and she’s had 22,000 employees working under her. The US didn’t fall apart. That’s more than the other candidates have done, though I’m still a Sanders supporter, who will vote for Hillary if she’s the nominee.

Some of her accomplishments include:

Her China speech on women.

Her role in killing bin Laden.

Management of the State Department during which time the US saw a 50 percent increase in exports to China, aggressive work on climate change, and the effort to create and implement the toughest sanctions ever on Iran—she was the principal author of the agreement with Iran.

As Secretary of State, she negotiated the cease-fire in Gaza that stopped Hamas from firing rocket after rocket into Israel. She helped secure the START treaty’s ratification, and has advanced women’s rights in countries around the globe.

She rebuilt the US’s reputation and leadership overseas after the disastrous Bush years.

That’s a start. No other presidential candidate can compare with her in foreign policy experience. And that’s from a Sanders supporter.

I feel that Kerry has done more in his time as Secretary of State than Clinton. That man has spent more time overseas than he has in the country it seems since he became SoS.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

I feel that Kerry has done more in his time as Secretary of State than Clinton. That man has spent more time overseas than he has in the country it seems since he became SoS.

Kerry is an excellent Secretary of State, but then so was Clinton. Both are.

 

[Peter_J]

I feel that Kerry has done more in his time as Secretary of State than Clinton. That man has spent more time overseas than he has in the country it seems since he became SoS.

All this time I thought “I’ll send my SoS to the world” was just a line.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

All this time I thought “I’ll send my SoS to the world” was just a line.

Traveling the world is a key part of the job of Secretary of State.