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Peter_J
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I often wonder if anyone worries about CAF losing its credibility.
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Darryl1958
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Thanks for the information.
It has nothing to do with the post that you are responding to though.
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stinkcat_14
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It has everything to do with it, because there are those who would want to imply that if you think murderers ought to be punished, then that somehow suggests that you are not pro-life.
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Ridgerunner
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I don’t think it does at all.
What I have seen, and have said myself, is that generally one does not see prolifers arguing to punish women who have had abortions. One more commonly sees that argued by people who want to keep abortion on demand. Not that I think they’re serious. I think it is sometimes used as a pro-abortion argument to cause fear in the ill-informed and cause them to vote for the abortion party.
Not saying you share that. If you truly believe in prosecuting women who have had abortions, then I’m prepared to believe you, notwithstanding that I do not share the sentiment.
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gilliam
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Bill Clinton’s comments to Black Lives Matter protesters provoke fierce Internet backlash cbsn.ws/1S0t3hz
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Lily_Bernans
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I agree with you. I do not believe in abortion, but I think the women should incur some punishment, on a case-by-case basis, if abortion were illegal.
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Luigi_Daniele
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Why would he say something that he has to know will irritate some of his wife’s strongest supporters?
It doesn’t make sense, as his bashing of the President lately doesn’t make sense.
You gotta wonder if he e-knows something.
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Tomdstone
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Senator Sanders says that for a variety of reasons, Hillary Clinton is not qualified to be president of the USA.
independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/bernie-sanders-says-hillary-clinton-is-not-qualified-to-be-president-of-the-united-states-a6972526.html
independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/bernie-sanders-says-hillary-clinton-is-not-qualified-to-be-president-of-the-united-states-a6972526.html
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Thorolfr
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But obviously every person convicted of a crime is not guilty. So are you saying that it’s acceptable for a few innocent people to be mistakenly put to death (and some certainly have been) because most people who are sentenced to death are guilty?
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Luigi_Daniele
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I am opposed to the death penalty (as long as a life sentence is a life sentence).
The death penalty is bad; abortion is far worse.
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Thorolfr
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Sanders:
Of course, based on these standards, most Democrats and Republicans would not be qualified to be president. Almost all the candidates besides Sanders are benefiting from PACs, more than three quarters of the members of Congress voted for the Iraq War and most of them support free trade agreements.
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queenofheartscv
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Maybe he really doesn’t want to go back to the white house: restriction of freedom?Why would he say something that he has to know will irritate some of his wife’s strongest supporters?
It doesn’t make sense, as his bashing of the President lately doesn’t make sense.
You gotta wonder if he e-knows something.
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estesbob
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Yes we are seeing a lot of Democrat Catholics follow their egos. I prefer, like Francis, to follow the teachings of the Church. I also agree with Francis that our conscience should not be remote controlled-it should be well formed by the teachings of the Church.
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Little_Sheep
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It’s truly difficult to accept the “official” anti-choice stance that women who have an abortion are murdering a baby, but that this type of murder should be treated differently than other types of child murder, a subject that usually brings out the pitchforks!
Anyone can see the abject logical failure of this position - and it undermines the entire movement.
Trump, a man who has clearly not spent much time contemplating the politics of abortion, chose a quick logical path when he was put on the hot seat. That logic earned him near universal scorn from both sides of the issue.
I actually appreciate Trump’s acknowledgement that woman have agency over their bodies and their decisions. The anti-choice movement grants women no such respect.
At the very least, such mental gymnastics treat women like idiots - we’re somehow stupid enough to be coerced into murder so we must be saved from our own bad decisions. At the worst, it is blind to the way justice works in the US of A. When the State of Florida uncovered evidence that Casey Anthony killed her toddler, the State of Florida did not respond with mercy.
And can you imagine a world where every pregnancy needed to be investigated by law enforcement?!
Because of Trump’s honesty (and the Supreme Court seats that are in play in the future), I believe that the abortion issue will play a key role in the 2016 Presidential race and I don’t think that’s good news for people who want to see a Republican candidate advance to the White House. My opinion only, of course.
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Ridgerunner
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Stinkat:It’s truly difficult to accept the “official” anti-choice stance that women who have an abortion are murdering a baby, but that this type of murder should be treated differently than other types of child murder, a subject that usually brings out the pitchforks!
Anyone can see the abject logical failure of this position - and it undermines the entire movement.
Trump, a man who has clearly not spent much time contemplating the politics of abortion, chose a quick logical path when he was put on the hot seat. That logic earned him near universal scorn from both sides of the issue.
I actually appreciate Trump’s acknowledgement that woman have agency over their bodies and their decisions. The anti-choice movement grants women no such respect.
At the very least, such mental gymnastics treat women like idiots - we’re somehow stupid enough to be coerced into murder so we must be saved from our own bad decisions. At the worst, it is blind to the way justice works in the US of A. When the State of Florida uncovered evidence that Casey Anthony killed her toddler, the State of Florida did not respond with mercy.
And can you imagine a world where every pregnancy needed to be investigated by law enforcement?!
Because of Trump’s honesty (and the Supreme Court seats that are in play in the future), I believe that the abortion issue will play a key role in the 2016 Presidential race and I don’t think that’s good news for people who want to see a Republican candidate advance to the White House. My opinion only, of course.
Meaning no offense to you, but referencing Post # 1650, I rest my case.
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Little_Sheep
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Hillary ROFL for real!..youtube.com/watch?v=EGe-8P1CLzEStinkat:
Meaning no offense to you, but referencing Post # 1650, I rest my case.
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estesbob
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We have Entered the twilight zone. Suddenly abortion supporters are arguing that women must be punished for murder and that every pregnancy must be investigated . The reason this hysteria is so funny is that we don’t have to guess how things would be if abortion was illegal this was theb status quo in United States before Roe was imposed on the country . No women went to jail and No every pregnancy wasn’t investigated . In Fact the main difference we saw was abortions increased about 1 million per yearStinkat:
Meaning no offense to you, but referencing Post # 1650, I rest my case.
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Darryl1958
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Again that has to do with “those who would want to imply that”, and nothing to do with anything that I either implied or wrote.
If you want to impose your own ideas on someone, impugn them on one of “those” who are actually doing that, rather than on me, who is doing no such thing.
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Crossbones
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Then why didn’t we see the corresponding drop in births?
It didn’t work before. Abortions were going on because those seeking the abortion feared no punishment.
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estesbob
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They Did drop-significantly. About 7% between the early 60s when states first started approving abortions and 1975 after Roe was fully in effect . They were down over 10% from the late 50s.
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