Hillary Clinton Thread

[Peccavi]

Problem is the Republicans also askew Jesus teachings on wealth. When asked by the Rich youth what he had to do to achieve salvation Jesus said to take ALL he had and give it to the poor. I doubt any Republican would do that rather they’d follow the young man an slink away from this radical Jew !

 

[Lily_Bernans]

Before you do that, FORM your conscience! Form it by the teachings of the Church. And if your conscience tells you that you can vote for Clinton or Sanders, your conscience is malformed and needs to be formed to the teachings of the Church.

Why? She is not Catholic.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

Problem is the Republicans also askew Jesus teachings on wealth. When asked by the Rich youth what he had to do to achieve salvation Jesus said to take ALL he had and give it to the poor. I doubt any Republican would do that rather they’d follow the young man an slink away from this radical Jew !

Agreed!

 

[zz912]

Problem is the Republicans also askew Jesus teachings on wealth. When asked by the Rich youth what he had to do to achieve salvation Jesus said to take ALL he had and give it to the poor. I doubt any Republican would do that rather they’d follow the young man an slink away from this radical Jew !

Which Democrat or Republican politician has given away all they had? Which of the presidential candidates has done so?

 

[zz912]

Why? She is not Catholic.

The Church teaches the truth, and all people should come into and conform themselves to the truth that the Church proclaims.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

The Church teaches the truth, and all people should come into and conform themselves to the truth that the Church proclaims.

But not all people believe that. And truthfully, most of us don’t set a very good example for them on this forum. If I weren’t Catholic and came to this forum, I would not want to be Catholic. I would run in the other direction.

I don’t mean you. I mean all of us, in general.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Why? She is not Catholic.

One doesn’t have to be Catholic to know killing unborn children, some viable, and selling baby body parts is anti-human and therefore profoundly wrong. One only has to have a dead conscience.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

One doesn’t have to be Catholic to know killing unborn children, some viable, and selling baby body parts is anti-human and therefore profoundly wrong. One only has to have a dead conscience.

You need to take that up with people who are pro-abortion. I’m not.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Because the Catholic Church teaches that abortion is intrinsically evil and that one should not support it politically, and because some will say it?

Does it not approach scandal to even suggest that people are justified in running from the Church for holding to its teachings and for its people to say them? Matthew 18:6 ought to give one pause. Indeed, that was one of my reasons for leaving the Dem party; that my children were growing up and I did not want to scandalize them or others by supporting the abortion party anymore. It gives a terrible message to others, particularly others who might think my word worth heeding or my actions worth emulating. Millstones are heavy and, to be frank, so is the weight on conscience concerning those I might have misled previously into thinking one might simultaneously be obedient to the laws of God and the positions of the Dem party.

I say the following out of shame, not pride. I was once a Dem party organizer and leader. Some of the party members over whom I at least attempted to have influence were Catholics. I have genuinely tried to tell them that I have left the party and that I did it because it is no longer possible to follow the teachings of the Church and the policies of the party. The political joys and rewards of winning are not worth it.

One is reminded of St. Thomas More’s admonition to Richard Rich in “Man for All Seasons”. Rich decided to side with Henry VIII in his break with the Church, and was rewarded by being appointed the king’s chancellor of Wales. More said this:

"Why Richard, it profits a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world… but for Wales? "

And so, we might paraphrase the ending thus: “…but for Hillary Clinton?”

 

[Lily_Bernans]

Because the Catholic Church teaches that abortion is intrinsically evil and that one should not support it politically, and because some will say it?

Does it not approach scandal to even suggest that people are justified in running from the Church for holding to its teachings and for its people to say them? Matthew 18:6 ought to give one pause. Indeed, that was one of my reasons for leaving the Dem party; that my children were growing up and I did not want to scandalize them or others by supporting the abortion party anymore. It gives a terrible message to others, particularly others who might think my word worth heeding or my actions worth emulating. Millstones are heavy and, to be frank, so is the weight on conscience concerning those I might have misled previously into thinking one might simultaneously be obedient to the laws of God and the positions of the Dem party.

I say the following out of shame, not pride. I was once a Dem party organizer and leader. Some of the party members over whom I at least attempted to have influence were Catholics. I have genuinely tried to tell them that I have left the party and that I did it because it is no longer possible to follow the teachings of the Church and the policies of the party. The political joys and rewards of winning are not worth it.

One is reminded of St. Thomas More’s admonition to Richard Rich in “Man for All Seasons”. Rich decided to side with Henry VIII in his break with the Church, and was rewarded by being appointed the king’s chancellor of Wales. More said this:

"Why Richard, it profits a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world… but for Wales? "

And so, we might paraphrase the ending thus: “…but for Hillary Clinton?”

Not interested in discussing abortion.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Not interested in discussing abortion.

Your prerogative, certainly. But that doesn’t preclude any of the rest of us from doing it. From a Catholic perspective, it’s not possible to discuss Hillary Clinton without discussing abortion, and it will undoubtedly continue until the very demise of this thread and others.

 

[Sophie_Lawrence]

Your prerogative, certainly. But that doesn’t preclude any of the rest of us from doing it. From a Catholic perspective, it’s not possible to discuss Hillary Clinton without discussing abortion, and it will undoubtedly continue until the very demise of this thread and others.

washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/24/hillary-clinton-rallies-planned-parenthood-vote-fi/?page=all

She regularly rails against Republican efforts to strip taxpayer funding from Planned Parenthood and was rewarded this month when the group’s political arm endorsed her presidential bid — marking the first time the abortion provider has tipped its hand in the presidential primary in its 100-year history.

Just days after the endorsement, Mrs. Clinton called for the repeal of the Hyde Amendment, which prohibits direct federal taxpayer funding for abortions.

Mr. Sanders, speaking to MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow, waved off the endorsement as another sign of “the political establishment” rallying to Mrs. Clinton. That drew outraged responses from Mrs. Clinton’s defenders, including her husband, former President Bill Clinton, who said it was demeaning to Planned Parenthood.

But analysts said Mr. Sanders had a point.

“Bernie Sanders is exactly right,” said Chad Pecknold, a theologian at Catholic University of America. “Hillary Clinton has always been a part of the establishment and one of the most powerful players in politics — of which she’s been 100 percent bought and paid for — is Planned Parenthood. She can’t do anything but support the vision of the group.”

So lets see, no restrictions on abortions, repealing the Hyde Amendment, and calling for tax payer funding of abortions. This is what she supports. I don’t see where she supports anything that would mitigate this abortion support.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

Your prerogative, certainly. But that doesn’t preclude any of the rest of us from doing it. From a Catholic perspective, it’s not possible to discuss Hillary Clinton without discussing abortion, and it will undoubtedly continue until the very demise of this thread and others.

I’m sure you’ll see that it’s discussed on every thread. That’s your right. But I’m not going to participate in the conversation. That’s my right. Everyone knows where I stand.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/24/hillary-clinton-rallies-planned-parenthood-vote-fi/?page=all

So lets see, no restrictions on abortions, repealing the Hyde Amendment, and calling for tax payer funding of abortions. This is what she supports. I don’t see where she supports anything that would mitigate this abortion support.

Hillary has many, many accomplishments that other women can only wish they had. However, she needs no defense. All of the votes for her speak to that. Repubs. should get busy defending the Repubs. They do need it!

 

[stinkcat_14]

I’m sure you’ll see that it’s discussed on every thread. That’s your right. But I’m not going to participate in the conversation. That’s my right. Everyone knows where I stand.

If one is a democrat, is there any reason to vote for her, other than because she is pro-abortion? I mean, she has no proposed economic policy. She has no experience with economic policy. So why would one vote for her?

 

[grotto]

Your prerogative, certainly. But that doesn’t preclude any of the rest of us from doing it. From a Catholic perspective, it’s not possible to discuss Hillary Clinton without discussing abortion, and it will undoubtedly continue until the very demise of this thread and others.

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Discussing matters that are evil and to be fought against, and by our behavior, are the weapons we need to use. Condemn abortion at every opportunity.

Now, to MY latest threat warning. Force Protection Charlie, tomorrow is Friday (what I have come to refer to as “Email Friday”) when we have had thousands of classified emails sent and received by Hillary Clinton in serious violation of our national security. Do we all agree? Well, there is always 10% that do not get the memo.

I am on higher alert because Mr. Trump has stated within the last 48 hours that the indictment of Hillary will not be happening - she is being protected. Who is the only one who has the power to do that? BHO (Boo as he is known to his intimates and Barry Soetorro who knew him until as an adult until he changed it to BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA!) Mr. Trump did not answer the question of who has the power, I did.

IMO Trump has been able to identify situations that have been detrimental to our country before many others do. And he has been correct every time.

So I am preparing to be greatly disappointed once again. Not getting used to it! :bighanky:

 

[Lily_Bernans]

If one is a democrat, is there any reason to vote for her, other than because she is pro-abortion? I mean, she has no proposed economic policy. She has no experience with economic policy. So why would one vote for her?

I am against abortion.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

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Discussing matters that are evil and to be fought against, and by our behavior, are the weapons we need to use. Condemn abortion at every opportunity.

Now, to MY latest threat warning. Force Protection Charlie, tomorrow is Friday (what I have come to refer to as “Email Friday”) when we have had thousands of classified emails sent and received by Hillary Clinton in serious violation of our national security. Do we all agree? Well, there is always 10% that do not get the memo.

I am on higher alert because Mr. Trump has stated within the last 48 hours that the indictment of Hillary will not be happening - she is being protected. Who is the only one who has the power to do that? BHO (Boo as he is known to his intimates and Barry Soetorro who knew him until as an adult until he changed it to BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA!) Mr. Trump did not answer the question of who has the power, I did.

IMO Trump has been able to identify situations that have been detrimental to our country before many others do. And he has been correct every time.

So I am preparing to be greatly disappointed once again. Not getting used to it! :bighanky:

I’m sincerely sorry you’re disappointed, Grotto. I like you a lot. I did say she would never be indicted, but then, I am not a Washington insider, so how would I really know? I don’t think President Obama had anything to do with it, though. Other people were doing much the same thing as Hillary, and no harm came from her using her home server. Benghazi did not occur because of that, and yes, I do care very much that four good men were murdered by a terror group. Trump is definitely not a Washington insider, either, so maybe he knows and maybe he doesn’t. My guess is that there just is not enough evidence to indict her, so the government is not going to waste time and taxpayer money.

Don’t be disappointed. Does anything in Washington ever change? No. The most we can do is try.

 

[stinkcat_14]

I am against abortion.

Then why would you vote for her. given that she has no coherent economic policy?

 

[JimG]

Because the Catholic Church teaches that abortion is intrinsically evil and that one should not support it politically, and because some will say it?

Does it not approach scandal to even suggest that people are justified in running from the Church for holding to its teachings and for its people to say them? Matthew 18:6 ought to give one pause. Indeed, that was one of my reasons for leaving the Dem party; that my children were growing up and I did not want to scandalize them or others by supporting the abortion party anymore. It gives a terrible message to others, particularly others who might think my word worth heeding or my actions worth emulating. Millstones are heavy and, to be frank, so is the weight on conscience concerning those I might have misled previously into thinking one might simultaneously be obedient to the laws of God and the positions of the Dem party.

I say the following out of shame, not pride. I was once a Dem party organizer and leader. Some of the party members over whom I at least attempted to have influence were Catholics. I have genuinely tried to tell them that I have left the party and that I did it because it is no longer possible to follow the teachings of the Church and the policies of the party. The political joys and rewards of winning are not worth it.

One is reminded of St. Thomas More’s admonition to Richard Rich in “Man for All Seasons”. Rich decided to side with Henry VIII in his break with the Church, and was rewarded by being appointed the king’s chancellor of Wales. More said this:

"Why Richard, it profits a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world… but for Wales? "

And so, we might paraphrase the ending thus: “…but for Hillary Clinton?”

One doesn’t have to be Catholic to know killing unborn children, some viable, and selling baby body parts is anti-human and therefore profoundly wrong. One only has to have a dead conscience.

It would seem that much of the nation has a dead conscience, after decades of trying to kill it. I cannot fathom why the nation has a dead conscience on this issue. It is not accidental, it is willful. There are no doubt many who are personally invested in abortion in some way, and wish the issue to die a decent death so they can put their consciences to rest. But conscience has a way of awakening again and again. One can only hope that it is not too late. Great nations die for lack of conscience.