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tomarin
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For self-preservation reasons, I should have added.
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chero23
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Compromise or twisting of the arm or any other word, but the man put his ego aside (something alot of other politicians won’t do) and did what was right for the country.
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GaryTaylor
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Is that when Hillary was promoting womens rights, what an advocate, I’m almost inclined to clap.
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chero23
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With all due respect, haven’t we had those on the right say doing gay acts as wrong, and then get caught doing that? Or those who have fought agaisnt under age sexual behavior and get caught doing that?Is that when Hillary was promoting womens right, what and advocate, I’m almost inclinded to clap.
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chero23
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You can not control what others do. It is similar to parents. They can do a superb job in raising their kids, but at the end of the day, the kids have to go out and perform and do what they were taught.Is that when Hillary was promoting womens rights, what an advocate, I’m almost inclined to clap.
That’s why I believe that as soon as Hillary found out Bill was cheating, she should filed for a divorce. Gotten herself a house in New York, lived there for 1-2 years, then done it right and ran for the senate.
But she stayed with him, made up a NY address and well the rest is history.
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zz912
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What exactly did he “do” for the country? The 90’s were a boon because of the dotcom revolution and bubble, plus the GOP and Clinton were stalemated so they stayed out of the way free market mostly. Clinton didn’t “do” anything to create or help the economic prosperity of the 90’s.
One redeeming act was welfare reform, but even with that, he had to be dragged kicking and screaming to sign it. He vetoed it 2-3 times before finally reading how badly the polling was going for him on the issue. Of course that welfare reform was completely dismantled by Obama, so even that’s gone now.
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anon67074017
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I am glad that socialism got defeated, but I am not a fan of Hillary either.
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GaryTaylor
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What due respect? Wheres that for the unborn Ms civil rights Hillary. Where does one get a due respect pass?
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chero23
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So according to you the president has nothing to do?
Then we can not praise republican presidents b/c according to your theory, they don’t do the work?
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chero23
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Same with those on the right who are out to defeat “evil” and get caught in gay relationships or abusing of underage kids.What due respect? Wheres that for the unborn Ms civil rights Hillary. Where does one get a due respect pass?
So much for being conservitive.
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GaryTaylor
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What Presidential candidate did that? I think you have a logical fallacy? Help me understand this presidential candidate comparison. The only evil being forgiven is in the confessional that I know of, and I leave open to the question of who God may save when he wills. I think your painting with a broad brush today “those on the right” hey, we are promoting peace today as always, real world peace, not that mythical social media mess going on.
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GaryTaylor
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Bill? I agree, and Hillary got it messed up a bit with defending Bill I get that. But that doesn’t change she was not acting in the best interest of womens rights. Nor do I think she is with abortion. And in regards to that I agree as with Bill. We would be talking peoples behavior. Granted some won’t change as is denial also. But that doesn’t mean we promote a wrong either. If we are worried about all these inner city people and trust me we are. Then we have to also address this tragic agenda and neglect based selfishness. Its the same behavior we are addressing everywhere. And with the 2% police and with gangs etc. Least we be talking hypocrisy imho. I get it we won’t get 100% and nor will we with police, and truly I don’t care what color they are.
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Padres1969
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Some will… some won’t. Bernie supporters have made for some interesting social media posts today as many of them are beside themselves he didn’t fight until the end.
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Darryl1958
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Not only do Republican politicians who tap their toes underneath bathroom stalls do real damage to their own chances, but they do real damage to their party.
This was a critical event that kept Republicans at home and delivered the Congress to Democrats.
Nothing has changed in human nature since Paul noted that the good that he wants to do is difficult to do, and the evil that he does not want to do is nearly impossible not to succumb to.
Don’t think for even a half a second that conservatives don’t struggle with sin, and come up short more than enough.
What a conservative will not do is decide that he or she doesn’t have to struggle with sin, because those sinful inclinations are not sinful after all. What a conservative will not do is redefine sin so that there is nothing to struggle against.
The moment that a conservative does that, he becomes a liberal.
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GaryTaylor
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And what moderate democrats won’t do as we see the conscience conflict is move further left. You see it on the Hyde Thread with abortion and non thought out political nonsense.
I know I live here with all Democrats.
Further the mindless forward push of agenda is un thought out rhetoric that neglects “us” and in fact is divisive, and is in fact dangerous, and this neglect is reflective in our legal system and indicates how politics divided a country that as Obama admits wasn’t really divided. Not to the extent one can articulate unless they seen it like Obama and many others have. Otherwise you would be talking social media myth. Drama, doom and death and divisive dirty laundry that sells. And if its two different people black-white, jew-muslim, and all the rest the crusaders etc, all the better than the real wild talk comes, you know the white blue eyed devil, and systemic white devil racism and the blacks are conspiring to take over like Manson. No telling where the myth ends.
You get the impression that the minions are standing behind cheering for revolution and overthrow of our values and the principles we live by to suggest a looming fall. But every time I have seen disaster I see the opposite, I see heros and all people running to disaster and every time, despite the grave loss, I see love. And I know like KIng knew that good will have the final say.
Good has the final say, and we have a division in protest thinking as in 68. There was the King school we all need to support, and well as you see “other” and deadly.
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Sy_Noe
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81% already had in June according to this poll.
dailykos.com/story/2016/6/26/1542650/-Bad-news-for-Trump-ABC-WaPo-poll-81-of-Sanders-backers-have-rallied-to-Hillary-already
I was one of them. But in an email yesterday to those of us who supported him he wrote…
“In terms of the presidential election this November, there is no doubt that the election of Donald Trump as president would be a devastating blow to all that we are fighting for. To have all of the work we have done in elevating our progressive ideals be dashed away by a complete Republican takeover of Washington… would be unthinkable”
“Today, I endorsed Hillary Clinton to be our next president. I know that some of you will be disappointed with that decision. But I believe that, at this moment, our country, our values, and our common vision for a transformed America, are best served by the defeat of Donald Trump and the election of Hillary Clinton.”
“In the weeks since the last primary, both campaigns have worked together in good faith to bridge some of the policy issues that divided us during the election. Did we come to agreement on everything? Of course not. But we made important steps forward.”
He then went on to list their agreement on a college plan for working families. A public healthcare option. $15 minimum wage and he listed many other areas.
He added, “but none of these initiatives will happen if we do not elect a Democratic president in November. None! In fact, we will go backward.”
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Ridgerunner
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What on earth would make Bernie think Clinton will stay with any promise she has made to him?
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Padres1969
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The reality that there’s no likelihood Trump would or that Trump would do anything that Sanders and his supporters wanted. Clinton is the lesser of two evils for anyone who supported Sanders, and that’s the reality he’s trying to convey while being cordial about it. Trump would be a disaster for Sanders supporters. I mean it’s the only reason 50% of people are voting for Hillary, she’s a vote against Trump. And conversely 55% of all Trump voters are simply voting for him as a vote against Clinton.
Sad reality is, neither major candidate has the actual support of the majority of their own voters. They’re simply being voted for as the perceived lesser of two evils. It’s a very sad situation this election that people aren’t voting for candidates, they’re voting against the other candidate in record numbers.
meltzerboy
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I would imagine that, for the most part, it is the young Bernie supporters who feel betrayed, because they are young and idealistic. The older Bernie supporters have lived more and seen more and are thus more realistic about politics and the way things are in the country and the world. They may also be disappointed but they are better able to make compromises.
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