Hillary Clinton Thread

[meltzerboy]

What on earth would make Bernie think Clinton will stay with any promise she has made to him?

In his heart of hearts, he doesn’t think she will. But what choice does he have, especially since he views Trump as the bigger enemy? He did not, however, officially suspend his campaign: perhaps an olive branch to his supporters. If he did not make peace with Hillary Clinton, he would be seen as a spoiler, a sore loser, and a schlimazel, for sure. (He may already be seen as such.)

 

[zz912]

So according to you the president has nothing to do?
Then we can not praise republican presidents b/c according to your theory, they don’t do the work?

Presidents can be praised when they realize how ignorant they are, and keep their nose out of the free market. If they work towards free markets, free trade, even playing fields, and punishing fraud, the markets will respond positively.

Many politicians think they can adopt economic policies to “control” or “manage” the economy, and they never work. The same reason Soviet planning never worked. One man, or a group of “smart” people don’t know the first thing about running an economy. More people need to view and understand Milton Friendman’s teaching on making a pencil.

**There’s not ONE person on this planet who knows how to make a pencil. **

If you understand that statement, you’ll understand how laughable it is that the President “manages” or “runs” the economy.

youtube.com/watch?v=_dBMYvbI_ec

 

[GaryTaylor]

Stein now has the Democratic Party in the palm of her hands.

Like any threat to the progressive establishment, Clinton’s Wall Street transcripts and prison lobbyist donors aren’t part of the debate. No, any deviation from the narrative that Republicans are bad and Clinton is less evil must be met with scorn.

Walsh, Cesca and others will insult the disloyal, or disobedient; discussion over Clinton’s advocacy of the TPP over 45 times is never part of the equation.

The likelihood that Hillary Clinton would continue to push for the Trans Pacific Partnership as president, or the fact she’d send more Americans back to war, are overshadowed by fear of Trump.

For establishment Democrats, you must fall in line or have your sanity questioned; Donald Trump overshadows relevant critique of Dear Leader Hillary.

Thus, Bernie Sanders and his supporters were seen not only as outsiders, but as possible enablers of Trump. In reality, it’s power and influence the establishment craves, not progressive values. Everything is fine, as long as Bernie or his supporters don’t win. If Sanders got too close, or if his supporters dared to imagine a Sanders presidency, then the “Bernie Bro” myth and Nevada chair throwing accusations painted millions with the same dangerous brush.

Of course, any mention of Clinton fabricating a story about Bosnian sniper fire, or laughing at a suspected child rapist passing a polygraph, is strictly prohibited. As CBS News writes, “But in the recording, Clinton indicated she believed her client was indeed guilty…Heard laughing, she said the polygraph test he managed to pass ‘forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs.’”

However, there’s another alternative, and a new hope in progressive politics that doesn’t entail voting for a Democrat who now faces questions regarding perjury. As Jill Stein writes in The Hill, there’s a new and vibrant option for Bernie voters:

huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-just-made-jill-stein-the-most-powerful_us_57860e7ce4b0cbf01e9eddc6

 

[meltzerboy]

huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-just-made-jill-stein-the-most-powerful_us_57860e7ce4b0cbf01e9eddc6

But most voters don’t know who Jill Stein is or that she is running for President, let alone her views.

 

[Padres1969]

But most voters don’t know who Jill Stein is or that she is running for President, let alone her views.

So she’ll get 0.4% of the vote this time instead of 0.36% like last time she ran?

 

[Sy_Noe]

So she’ll get 0.4% of the vote this time instead of 0.36% like last time she ran?

Since Nader’s <3% in 2000, the Green Party has gone nowhere. By Nov I don’t suspect it to make much of a dent this yr either. For the most part I think most left leaners realize the next POTUS is going to be HC or DT.

 

[7_Sorrows]

I was disappointed Bernie finally endorsed her. he probably didn’t have a choice or they made him an offer he couldn’t refuse!

 

[Sy_Noe]

I was disappointed Bernie finally endorsed her. he probably didn’t have a choice or they made him an offer he couldn’t refuse!

He had a choice. Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump. He has explained why he chose Hillary. Because on the progressive issues that he fights for, Hillary Clinton is closer to his views on many more issues than Donald Trump and the Republicans are. I don’t understand why all of Bernie’s supporters can’t see that. In my view if any Bernie supporter ends up voting for Donald Trump, it won’t be because of positions on most of the issues And it certainly won’t be because of working class issues. As Trump has said he thinks wages for workers are too high in America as they stand now.

 

[Ridgerunner]

And it certainly won’t be because of working class issues. As Trump has said he thinks wages for workers are too high in America as they stand now.

Nevertheless, a great deal of his support comes from working class people. Trump clarified that he meant by it that artificially raising the minimum wage would lose jobs because of lower cost of labor in other countries. Taken along with his position of re-negotiating trade deals to “level the playing field” it makes sense.

But like a lot of things, Trump doesn’t always explain himself fully in the moment. It’s not a good trait. He should either dodge questions that take too long to explain his answer or resort to good-sounding sound bites like so many do.

But maybe it doesn’t matter. If people realize the “sound bite war” the media conducts is a crock, it won’t.

But most dedicated Democrat Bernie supporters will vote for Clinton. She’s the only abortion on demand candidate left for them.

 

[Little_Sheep]

I was disappointed Bernie finally endorsed her. he probably didn’t have a choice or they made him an offer he couldn’t refuse!

Bernie and Hillary are friends - he has said that quite a few times. They worked together for many years in the Senate and most of the time (93%), they cast the same votes on issues.

Like most friends, they don’t agree on every issue, but Bernie was never NOT going to endorse her enthusiastically.

 

[Sy_Noe]

Bernie and Hillary are friends - he has said that quite a few times. They worked together for many years in the Senate and most of the time (93%), they cast the same votes on issues.

Like most friends, they don’t agree on every issue, but Bernie was never NOT going to endorse her enthusiastically.

 

[7_Sorrows]

Bernie and Hillary are friends - he has said that quite a few times. They worked together for many years in the Senate and most of the time (93%), they cast the same votes on issues.

Like most friends, they don’t agree on every issue, but Bernie was never NOT going to endorse her enthusiastically.

of course, they are both friends and fellow democrats. I was hoping hewould eventually say he really does care about her e-mail problems!

 

[GaryTaylor]

“Lessons from Libya: How Not to Intervene”

belfercenter.ksg.harvard.edu/publication/23387/lessons_from_libya.html

Hillary Clinton: the Queen of Chaos and the Threat of World War III

counterpunch.org/2016/03/10/hillary-clinton-the-queen-of-chaos-and-the-threat-of-world-war-iii/

Diana Johnstone: Libya, in a word. Hillary Clinton was so proud of her major role in instigating the war against Libya that she and her advisors initially planned to use it as basis of a “Clinton doctrine”, meaning a “smart power” regime change strategy, as a presidential campaign slogan.

The Libyan catastrophe actually inspired me to write this book, along with the mounting danger of war with Russia.

War creates chaos, and Hillary Clinton has been an eager advocate of every U.S. aggressive war in the last quarter of a century. These wars have devastated whole countries and caused an unmanageable refugee crisis. Chaos is all there is to show for Hillary’s vaunted “foreign policy experience”.

Last night HIllary on France-Nato and talking tough on war “again”.

nation.foxnews.com/2016/07/14/hillary-clinton-responds-nice-france-terror-attack-oreilly-factor-video

 

[a_priori]

Hillary is ahead of Trump by 17 points with Catholic voters. Apparently, some amorphous social agenda takes precedence over the very violent destruction of babies created by God. This. I. Do. Not. Understand.

 

[jediliz]

Hillary is ahead of Trump by 17 points with Catholic voters. Apparently, some amorphous social agenda takes precedence over the very violent destruction of babies created by God. This. I. Do. Not. Understand.

I don’t understand it either. Job creation is important and artificially inflating the minimum wage will not get someone out of poverty and off welfare. ( I think a $15 hr minimum wage is ludicrous especially for a non trade school entry level job or fast food job. Manual labor…yes, but flipping burgers…no)

We need people off assistance…assistance is supposed to be temporary…we don’t need them on it for a lifetime.

 

[qui_est_ce]

I don’t understand it either. Job creation is important and artificially inflating the minimum wage will not get someone out of poverty and off welfare. ( I think a $15 hr minimum wage is ludicrous especially for a non trade school entry level job or fast food job. Manual labor…yes, but flipping burgers…no)

We need people off assistance…assistance is supposed to be temporary…we don’t need them on it for a lifetime.

No matter how high the minimum wage, it will still be minimum wage.

 

[Monte_RCMS]

So according to you the president has nothing to do?
Then we can not praise republican presidents b/c according to your theory, they don’t do the work?

The president of the United States already has LOTS of work to do.

It’s paperwork.

AND, he is supposed to be Commander-In-Chief of the Army, Navy and Air Force.

The Constitution of the United States lists his mandatory duties. Read Article II of the Constitution. It has all the mandatory details. It’s not very long, but it is very detailed.

 

[GaryTaylor]

awdnews.com/top-news/hillary-clinton-and-threat-of-world-war-iii-hillary-demand%E2%80%99s-nuclear-war,-emails-prove-it

Hillary Clinton has been an eager advocate of every U.S. aggressive war in the last quarter of a century. These wars have devastated whole countries and caused an unmanageable refugee crisis. Chaos is all there is to show for Hillary’s vaunted “foreign policy experience”.

This mixture of excessive military preparations and propaganda against an “evil enemy” make it very easy for some trivial incident to blow it all up.

Hillary calls everyone “evil” from Russia to Trump and Republicans-the enemy. Hillary wants to raise minimum wage but has no employment for all the people on welfare and these are good people, she has crippled this community and further created the issues with criminal activity by banned ex offenders from all these programs and as a result we see the violence and disregard of law and 1st amendment. Hillarys sentencing and social service programs are a disaster and we are NOW reaping the reward of her sekf created anarchy.

The Nation has published a piece by Michelle Alexander titled “Why Hillary Clinton Doesn’t Deserve the Black Vote,” in which the author of The New Jim Crow describes how the policies Hillary has supported in the past have destroyed black communities from Baltimore to Oakland. As Alexander explains in the article — and in her book — Hillary’s husband Bill oversaw an explosion of incarceration rates among blacks during his presidency. He denied Pell grants to inmates, backed the denial of federal student aid to drug offenders, and signed a bill placing a lifetime ban on welfare benefits for anyone convicted of a felony drug offense. He also supported sentencing that punished crack users much tougher than cocaine users, and was a fan of the “three strikes” rule that imposed life sentences on three-time offenders, further inflaming the racial disparity in incarceration rates. “When Clinton left office in 2001,” she writes:

the United States had the highest rate of incarceration in the world. Human Rights Watch reported that in seven states, African Americans constituted 80 to 90 percent of all drug offenders sent to prison, even though they were no more likely than whites to use or sell illegal drugs. Prison admissions for drug offenses reached a level in 2000 for African Americans more than 26 times the level in 1983. All of the presidents since 1980 have contributed to mass incarceration, but as Equal Justice Initiative founder Bryan Stevenson recently observed, ‘President Clinton’s tenure was the worst.’

While President Clinton increased funding for corrections by $19 billion (or 171 percent), he was also cutting public housing by $17 billion (or 61 percent). He fulfilled a campaign promise to “end welfare as we know it” when he signed legislation placing a five-year limit on benefits, made receiving benefits predicate on having a job — which ballooned the number of workers earning “sub-subsistence wages” — and restricted undocumented immigrants from licensed work. Overall welfare spending was cut by $54 billion.

Perhaps most alarming, Clinton also made it easier for public-housing agencies to deny shelter to anyone with any sort of criminal history (even an arrest without conviction) and championed the ‘one strike and you’re out’ initiative, which meant that families could be evicted from public housing because one member (or a guest) had committed even a minor offense. People released from prison with no money, no job, and nowhere to go could no longer return home to their loved ones living in federally assisted housing without placing the entire family at risk of eviction. Purging ‘the criminal element’ from public housing played well on the evening news, but no provisions were made for people and families as they were forced out on the street. By the end of Clinton’s presidency, more than half of working-age African-American men in many large urban areas were saddled with criminal records and subject to legalized discrimination in employment, housing, access to education, and basic public benefits—relegated to a permanent second-class status eerily reminiscent of Jim Crow.

latinorebels.com/2016/02/11/why-hillary-clinton-doesnt-deserve-the-latino-vote2/

 

[GaryTaylor]

theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/10/hillary-clinton-foundation-donors-hsbc-swiss-bank

Clinton foundation received up to $81m from clients of controversial HSBC bank

hsbc.com/news-and-insight/2013/former-us-deputy-attorney-general-joins-hsbc-board

James Brien Comey, Jr. (52), former United States Deputy Attorney General, has been appointed a Director of HSBC Holdings plc with effect from 4 March 2013. He will be an independent non-executive Director and a member of the Financial System Vulnerabilities Committee.

hsbc.com/news-and-insight/2013/former-us-deputy-attorney-general-joins-hsbc-board

No conflict of interest whatsoever?

 

[Sy_Noe]

of course, they are both friends and fellow democrats. I was hoping hewould eventually say he really does care about her e-mail problems!

Actually I’m not sure if Bernie had to change his registration or not to run in the primary. But he and SOS Clinton certainly have caucused together in the Senate. Bernie caucuses with the Democrats. I’m sure Bernie just cares more about many other issues than emails. The FBI director’s finding ( a director btw with Republican ties) of carelessness with emails was not criminal.