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7_Sorrows
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I agree 100% Millie. Well said!
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Monte_RCMS
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The Clinton campaign chartered a bus and conducted a tour of Pennsylvania and Ohio … if my memory is correct. Right after the Democrat Party Convention.
The problem was: NO BODY SHOWED UP TO GREET HILLARY.
NO BODY.
The problem was: NO BODY SHOWED UP TO GREET HILLARY.
NO BODY.
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Robert_Bay
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meltzerboy
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I agree it was a political move on the part of the Clinton campaign. I wonder if the campaign even calculated Trump’s reaction and that he would be true to form in doubling down. This does not excuse Trump’s behavior, but let’s not kid ourselves into thinking this was not planned by the DNC. Dirty tricks are part and parcel of a presidential campaign on both sides of the aisle.I think that the Clinton campgaign specifically chose a Muslim family of immigrants who lost a son in war as a calculated move to contrast themselves from the Trump campgaign and his antiislamic and anti immigrant policies. Make no mistake about this, Clinton (very smartly) made a calculated decision to chose a family of Muslim immgrants who lost their son in war to speak at her convention.
All Trump had to do in response to this family was say “I’m grateful for your son’s service to our country, Im sorry for your loss.” Now I feel that Trump lack of empathy, and uncompassionate response to this family, is like handing Clinton a present wrapped in a bow. Really, his continued criticism lf this family is a gift to Clinton. It makes him look vain and egotistical, it envelopes his campaign with more controversy, and shows more division among the GOP’s support for Trump. Honestly, I think the best move Trump can do right now is Let it Go. There is one person who this controversy is not hurting and that is Clinton.
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Ridgerunner
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Certainly tricks are part of the political process.I agree it was a political move on the part of the Clinton campaign. I wonder if the campaign even calculated Trump’s reaction and that he would be true to form in doubling down. This does not excuse Trump’s behavior, but let’s not kid ourselves into thinking this was not planned by the DNC. Dirty tricks are part and parcel of a presidential campaign on both sides of the aisle.
I am somewhat put to wonder how many people who comment on Trump’s response to Mr. Khan actually heard what Khan said? It was short, but pretty harsh. He said this:
" If it was up to Donald Trump, he (Khan’s son) never would have been in America. Donald Trump consistently smears the character of Muslims. He disrespects other minorities – women, judges, even his own party leadership. He vows to build walls and ban us from this country."
He then offered to give Trump a copy of the Constitution, suggesting that Trump had never read it. He then commented that Trump “had given nothing” to this country (as opposed, one takes it, to Khan’s son)
Now, what Trump said about those really scathing, and quite untrue, comments, was that he sympathized with the Khans and understood what Mr. Khan said, and then said, parenthetically, that Mrs. Khan said nothing and perhaps wasn’t allowed to, but that he didn’t know.
So yes, Trump could be thought to have been politically incorrect at minimum, or taking a swipe at Islam at maximum. But he said nothing disrespectful about the loss of Khan’s son.
Possibly the Democrats, who knew what Khan was going to say, got him up there in order to provoke Trump into some politically incorrect comment or one “lacking empathy” (which Khan later also said about Trump).
But when it comes to someone having contempt for Khan and his son, if you ask me it was the DNC or Hillary Clinton who surely knew what Khan was going to say, and put him out there like so much live bait.
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queenofheartscv
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If not for posts like this, one would be tempted to think everyone out there is mind controlled by the media, who will tell us exactly what to think at whatever time they choose. By their manufactured outrages, the media makes a sane person wonder, have I gone mad? Why do I not feel the same as dictated by their narrative? All the news people are saying the same thing, so i must be the erratic one, right?
Wrong. It’s gaslighting and mind control by the media for the ourpose of helping their preferred candidate. Thanks Ridge for showing That a normal mind can think rationally and clearly independent of the media.
This is in response to ridgerunner’s post above.
Wrong. It’s gaslighting and mind control by the media for the ourpose of helping their preferred candidate. Thanks Ridge for showing That a normal mind can think rationally and clearly independent of the media.
This is in response to ridgerunner’s post above.
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Jeanne_S
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Exactly!I think that the Clinton campgaign specifically chose a Muslim family of immigrants who lost a son in war as a calculated move to contrast themselves from the Trump campgaign and his antiislamic and anti immigrant policies. Make no mistake about this, Clinton (very smartly) made a calculated decision to chose a family of Muslim immgrants who lost their son in war to speak at her convention.
All Trump had to do in response to this family was say “I’m grateful for your son’s service to our country, Im sorry for your loss.” Now I feel that Trump lack of empathy, and uncompassionate response to this family, is like handing Clinton a present wrapped in a bow. Really, his continued criticism lf this family is a gift to Clinton. It makes him look vain and egotistical, it envelopes his campaign with more controversy, and shows more division among the GOP’s support for Trump. Honestly, I think the best move Trump can do right now is Let it Go. There is one person who this controversy is not hurting and that is Clinton.
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Thorolfr
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It’s pretty easy to bait Mr. Trump. It’s not the Democrats fault if he takes the bait.I agree it was a political move on the part of the Clinton campaign. I wonder if the campaign even calculated Trump’s reaction and that he would be true to form in doubling down. This does not excuse Trump’s behavior, but let’s not kid ourselves into thinking this was not planned by the DNC. Dirty tricks are part and parcel of a presidential campaign on both sides of the aisle.
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Ridgerunner
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It’s not their fault that he “took the bait” if indeed he can be said to have done that. But the situation reminds me somewhat of the trainers of coon hounds who (clandestinely) capture baby raccoons with which to bait dogs in training.It’s pretty easy to bait Mr. Trump. It’s not the Democrats fault if he takes the bait.
The greater fault is with the ones who use the baby raccoons for bait.
meltzerboy
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The fact it is so easy to bait Trump is or should be a serious concern in itself.It’s pretty easy to bait Mr. Trump. It’s not the Democrats fault if he takes the bait.
meltzerboy
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But shouldn’t a human being–not to mention one who is running for POTUS–have a little more control and restraint than a coon hound? How is Trump going to function on the international scene with foreign leaders?It’s not their fault that he “took the bait” if indeed he can be said to have done that. But the situation reminds me somewhat of the trainers of coon hounds who (clandestinely) capture baby raccoons with which to bait dogs in training.
The greater fault is with the ones who use the baby raccoons for bait.
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Fathergregory
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I hope hilliary and Tim sweep the election. It is about time we elect a woman president and Tim will be a great asset to our next president. She is a very strong person and has stood strong against all the crazy hilliary haters especially those judgmental right wing nots who would deny us our freedom to choose. You cannot legislate morality as we saw when women got abortions illegally. I am against abortion but I am for social programs that help poor girls make the right choice to go for adoption. You hear the right condemn Hilliary and call for her crucification and then turn human beings away from this country and back to misery and strife. The right pushes the death penalty but condemns a woman who has done more for womans rights than anyone before her. Trump has only done things for himself and has never sacrificed from what I understand. I am voting for hilliary and all the dems. God bless all of you. Fathergregory.You already DO live in such a country.
meltzerboy
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I’m not so sure “the right pushes the death penalty”; not the Catholic right, if this Forum is any indication. As to the rest of your post, BE PREPARED!I hope hilliary and Tim sweep the election. It is about time we elect a woman president and Tim will be a great asset to our next president. She is a very strong person and has stood strong against all the crazy hilliary haters especially those judgmental right wing nots who would deny us our freedom to choose. You cannot legislate morality as we saw when women got abortions illegally. I am against abortion but I am for social programs that help poor girls make the right choice to go for adoption. You hear the right condemn Hilliary and call for her crucification and then turn human beings away from this country and back to misery and strife. The right pushes the death penalty but condemns a woman who has done more for womans rights than anyone before her. Trump has only done things for himself and has never sacrificed from what I understand. I am voting for hilliary and all the dems. God bless all of you. Fathergregory.
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7_Sorrows
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I don’t understand why it is time to elect a wonan for president nor why it was important 8 years ago to elect an African-American. I just want the best person for the job - irregardless of race, sex. Unfortunately the two candidates we have in this election might be the worst in presidential history!I hope hilliary and Tim sweep the election. It is about time we elect a woman president and Tim will be a great asset to our next president. She is a very strong person and has stood strong against all the crazy hilliary haters especially those judgmental right wing nots who would deny us our freedom to choose. You cannot legislate morality as we saw when women got abortions illegally. I am against abortion but I am for social programs that help poor girls make the right choice to go for adoption. You hear the right condemn Hilliary and call for her crucification and then turn human beings away from this country and back to misery and strife. The right pushes the death penalty but condemns a woman who has done more for womans rights than anyone before her. Trump has only done things for himself and has never sacrificed from what I understand. I am voting for hilliary and all the dems. God bless all of you. Fathergregory.
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Ridgerunner
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Keep in mind that Trump expressed sympathy for the Khans. The big deal is being made over his remark that Mrs. Khan didn’t speak and perhaps was not allowed to; something about which just about every pundit in the country has expressed dismay concerning Islam.But shouldn’t a human being–not to mention one who is running for POTUS–have a little more control and restraint than a coon hound? How is Trump going to function on the international scene with foreign leaders?
But the Dems put Khan on, knowing he was going to accuse Trump of being anti-Muslim, a racist, a hater of women and judges, who would never have allowed their son into the country, none of which was true. I didn’t see it myself, but I read Khan’s statement, and it was an awful thing to put on national television.
And you think Trump’s remark was cruel, while the Dems’ actions were not?
The real cruelty here was the Dems exploitation of Khan; and you don’t think the Dems should have exercised more self-control and restraint than to get them up in front of an entire nation to express their sense of grief by calling Trump such things?
A party that also considered exploiting Sanders’ Jewishness is hypocritical and cruel deep in its heart, and its exploitation of Khan, like Hillary’s laughter at the torture/death of Khaddaffi, tells a lot worse story on them than it does on Trump.
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Ridgerunner
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Wrong in every respect. But many think such things.I hope hilliary and Tim sweep the election. It is about time we elect a woman president and Tim will be a great asset to our next president. She is a very strong person and has stood strong against all the crazy hilliary haters especially those judgmental right wing nots who would deny us our freedom to choose. You cannot legislate morality as we saw when women got abortions illegally. I am against abortion but I am for social programs that help poor girls make the right choice to go for adoption. You hear the right condemn Hilliary and call for her crucification and then turn human beings away from this country and back to misery and strife. The right pushes the death penalty but condemns a woman who has done more for womans rights than anyone before her. Trump has only done things for himself and has never sacrificed from what I understand. I am voting for hilliary and all the dems. God bless all of you. Fathergregory.
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7_Sorrows
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do they really do that? that is as bad as when they kill greyhounds and put them in a mass grave because they won’t make good racers or they can’t race anymore.It’s not their fault that he “took the bait” if indeed he can be said to have done that. But the situation reminds me somewhat of the trainers of coon hounds who (clandestinely) capture baby raccoons with which to bait dogs in training.
The greater fault is with the ones who use the baby raccoons for bait.
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Jeanne_S
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This:thumbsup:I don’t understand why it is time to elect a wonan for president nor why it was important 8 years ago to elect an African-American. I just want the best person for the job - irregardless of race, sex. Unfortunately the two candidates we have in this election might be the worst in presidential history!
meltzerboy
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I don’t think the Dems’ actions were any more cruel than the Repubs’ actions of putting on a grieving mother who said she held Hillary Clinton personally responsible for her son’s death, accompanied by the repeated chanting of the audience “Lock her up.” Both are instances of the campaigns’ exploitation of personal tragedy for political gain. It’s politics, dirty politics, cruel politics, if you like. But politics, none the less.Keep in mind that Trump expressed sympathy for the Khans. The big deal is being made over his remark that Mrs. Khan didn’t speak and perhaps was not allowed to; something about which just about every pundit in the country has expressed dismay concerning Islam.
But the Dems put Khan on, knowing he was going to accuse Trump of being anti-Muslim, a racist, a hater of women and judges, who would never have allowed their son into the country, none of which was true. I didn’t see it myself, but I read Khan’s statement, and it was an awful thing to put on national television.
And you think Trump’s remark was cruel, while the Dems’ actions were not?
The real cruelty here was the Dems exploitation of Khan; and you don’t think the Dems should have exercised more self-control and restraint than to get them up in front of an entire nation to express their sense of grief by calling Trump such things?
A party that also considered exploiting Sanders’ Jewishness is hypocritical and cruel deep in its heart, and its exploitation of Khan, like Hillary’s laughter at the torture/death of Khaddaffi, tells a lot worse story on them than it does on Trump.
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DeniseNY
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Are we getting the candidates we deserve? That’s a really scary question.This:thumbsup:
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