Hispanic Boom Brings Big Changes for Nation and Its Politics

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Which part did you take issue with? I’m not trying to be obtuse, just trying to see exactly what you thought was hateful or false about it.
 
I didn’t read that much into it. If you question his motives then by all means ask him.
 
They’ve also been leaving you notes to send me money. 😉 (if you didn’t see them, I can’t explain… just send me the money :p)
 
Yeah, numerous cultures… not just one. How is it a balanced melting pot if we have a limit of how many people at a time can come from other countries while being (if liberals got their way) totally indiscriminate as far as one particular country letting them come and go as they please?
 
I know, but that’s what the post you quoted was addressing IMO
However the idea that Hispanics will naturally import crime due to been so different from other Americans is stamped all over that post I quoted.
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“from other Americans?” I thought we were talking about people coming in from Mexico. :confused:
 
I’m really sorry but I have to get ready for work right now. I’ll check this out later Jharek… take care.
 
If he was referring to illegals then he has a point. They broke the law, as a result we are supposed to offer them a pathway to citizenship? I love the Mexican culture and welcome them here, but until things chang, the rules are the rules.
 
lynx said:
Except that recent de-regulation in the past decade hasn’t been helping jobs and led to the current recession. My point being is where are the policies that are directly helping these minorities and immigrants in the USA? The repub idea is to use trickle-down theory for everything, which hasn’t been shown to be working for the past decade so why keep pushing it? There needs to be a new mix of fiscal policy and stimulation through taxes, tax breaks, regulation, and de-regulations.
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The government is not there to help any particular group e.g. Black and Hispanic people. It is insulting to both.

The Republican party does not see people as groups, you see people as people.
That’s not a realistic avenue for most repubs. They need a way to stand firm on illegal immigrants and still push legal immigration.
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Sure. We will see. I think Republicans know that the need to get more of the Hispanic vote.
I’m sure the more this is repeated the more people will believe it. Where are your sources?
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I do not need sources, it is very obvious. If you criticize Barack Obama you are a racist, if your Black and criticize Obama you are an Uncle Tom.
 
lynx said:
They can still maintain an illegal immigration stance as long as they reform immigration. Example, give more work visas that allow immigrants to bring their immediate family. Employers can use this for verification and taxing purposes, so the companies get cheaper labor and Uncle Sam gets his cut. I guess you could even force them to buy health insurance, like PMI on a house, so they would be less of a drain on societal services. Just have something so immigrants can try. Make it so workers don’t have to cross illegally and there’s less of a chance they will.
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I remember Huckabee saying during the 2007/2008 republican debates that children of illegal immigrants should be able to get citizenship. He also said it again in 2010.

That is reaching out to the Hispanic community.
 
SalesianSDB said:
What I’m noticing here in Florida is a switch of party among hispanic voters. Since I’m Cuban-American and live in a very Cuban area, I’m going to be speaking primarily about Cubans.

The Cuban vote has always been contrary to other hispanic votes around the nation. There are a few reasons for this. First, Bay of Pigs. Cubans felt betrayed by Kennedy, a Democrat, during the Bay of Pigs and left the Democratic Party for the Republican Party. Secondly, Cuban immigrants came to the US in search of freedom from a Communist dictator. Because of this, many Cubans are pro-free market and very capitalist in their thinking. Back during the '08 election it wasn’t uncommon to see bumper stickers that read: “Cuba got Change in 1959” referencing Fidel Castro. And since Republicans are the strong anti-Communist party, they tend to lean Republican.

What’s interesting is that my dad’s side of the family was always major Republican and my mom’s side was all Democrat. However, my mom’s side of the family changed party affiliation due to the Elian Gonzalez incident. If you don’t know what that is, here is a link en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elián_González_affair . But to make a long story short, a Cuban mother died to get her son to the US only for the Clinton administration to give him back to Cuba. I remember having the picture of the military taking him in my house and car swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2010/04/06/Elian%20raid-thumb-360x278.jpg . Very sad. And that turned many Cuban Democrats into Republicans.

Now, 2011. More than 50 years after Fidel Castro took over Cuba, the younger generation of Cubans are becoming liberals. Surprisingly, more and more young Cubans are registering Democrat. However, I even at 18 and never visited Cuba, have strong ties to my heritage that would never allow me to register Democrat.

All this being said, hispanics in general tend to be more Democrat, yes because of immigration, but the Dems are very much into government run social justice which would appeal to some Catholics who believe it’s the government’s business to get into social justice (I’m all for social justice, but leave gov’t out of it). Which is why many Catholics tend to be liberal while ignoring the abortion issue.

I hope the Republican party does something quick to get the hispanic vote. Down here we elected another Cuban Republican to the Senate (Sen. Marco Rubio). But the Republican candidates are going to have to do more in 2012 than just stop by Miami to eat at a Cuban restaurant and wish death upon Castro. They’re gonna have to really work for the vote this time.
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The Republicans are not stupid, they know that they need to do more to get the Hispanic vote. It starts with the grass roots:

“Republicans need to make a better effort at connecting with Hispanic voters,” former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (R) wrote Friday in reply to questions from the Monitor. “They naturally share similar ideals and principles – freedom, family, an entrepreneurial spirit, and access to a quality education. The more connected Hispanics feel to the Republican community, the more likely they are to turn out in support of Republicans on Election Day.”

Former Governor Bush touts his new initiative, the Hispanic Leadership Network, which brings together Hispanics and Republicans around policy issues – and away from the anti-illegal immigration rhetoric that damaged the GOP’s image during the last election cycle.

csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2011/0326/Can-Republicans-salvage-the-Hispanic-vote
 
dusty_david said:
I also wondered why mexican american neighbors just did not vote republican. Then I checked out this website:

http://forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=131843&highlight=Arpaio

wabrams

Re: Immigrant Tent Cities Under Fire

Other than the health code violations and somewhat limited access to lawyers, I’m all for it.

Re: Immigrant Tent Cities Under Fire

Gosh, how is this much different than the living arrangements many Americans have to suffer through after a natural disaster? As I recall…many are still living in much less than ideal conditions after Hurricane Katrina…so my heart is not going to break for the illegals. Are they being starved?** No one asked them to come here. Too bad they cannot send them back to their homeland quicker and we don’t have to feed them.**
:heart:Blyss

Are there children being held in the tent cities? If so, I missed that part. If it is the lawbreaking parents…so be it…they are law breakers…they are not upstanding citizens. You cannot really compare the internment camps of WW2 with the illegals being housed here today. That is apples and oranges.** As for telling anyone “I’m sorry.”…lets hear it from the illegals who stole into this country…unwanted and unwelcomed. I’ll be waiting…LOL**

:heart:Blyss

Teehee, Teehee. Teehee.

And then I found another website:

A controversial Arizona sheriff known for making his inmates wear pink underwear and eat green bologna turned his back on his state’s favored presidential candidate, opting instead to join forces with former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.
The Romney camp appointed Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio Monday as honorary chair of the campaign in the state of Arizona.
“The first time I met the governor at a private meeting, first thing he said was ‘How’s the pink underwear doing?’” Arpaio told FOXNews.com Wednesday.
Romney asked Arpaio to join his campaign in early January after several meetings, said Arpaio, who has made his name with a tough stance on immigration in the nation’s fourth largest county.

Read more: foxnews.com/story/0,2933,255428,00.html#ixzz1HwnexGBU

For grins and giggles use goggle Sheriff Joe Arpaio. Might clue in why 3rd generation americans of mexican heritage just love love love being asked to prove that they are citizens. And you want them to vote republican. Really?

And guess what. Jokes about wetbacks and beaners don’t seem to go over real well here in the great southwest. Also talk about deporting their mothers, fathers, cousins, aunts, uncles, etc. does not seem to get a lot of mexican american support. Can anyone get a clue why?

Honestly, look through this website re: immigration and mexicans. And you really wonder why mexican americans don’t vote like you? Really? I just see what a waste it is for a political party to write off the nation’s largest minority.

I’m not a catholic. But it just shocks me how white catholics seem to just dislike mexican catholics. I’m southern and I saw and heard white southern baptists’ contempt for black southern baptists. I never got how Jesus, God, and skin color got so mixed up that one group of christians can despise another another group of christians. It’s the exact same thing here. Look at the above examples. Search this website. Read about what people wrote about mexicans who are just as catholic as you. And you wonder why their kids and grandchildren will not vote for your party.

What’s the shortest phrase in the bible? Oh yeah … “Jesus wept.”
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What has this got to do with anything? Some borderline racist comments do not mean everybody in the Republican party is a racist.
 
Abyssinia said:
I remember Huckabee saying during the 2007/2008 republican debates that children of illegal immigrants should be able to get citizenship. He also said it again in 2010.

That is reaching out to the Hispanic community.
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Children of illegal immigrants are already citizens if they are born here.

Or is a Republican actually supporting the DREAM Act? :eek:
 
LCMS_No_More said:
Children of illegal immigrants are already citizens if they are born here.

Or is a Republican actually supporting the DREAM Act? :eek:
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I think Huckabee meant children who were not born in America could become citizens, otherwise there would of been no point in mentioning it would there?

I do not know whether Huckabee supports the DREAM act this is what Huckabee said about the DREAM ACT:

youtube.com/watch?v=DzkQBQOsxhw

An interview Huckabee did:

When a kid comes to his country, and he’s four years old and he had no choice in it — his parents came illegally. He still, because he is in this state, it’s the state’s responsibility – in fact, it is the state’s legal mandate – to make sure that child is in school. So let’s say that kid goes to school. That kid is in our school from kindergarten through the 12th grade. He graduates as valedictorian because he’s a smart kid and he works his rear end off and he becomes the valedictorian of the school. The question is: Is he better off going to college and becoming a neurosurgeon or a banker or whatever he might become, and becoming a taxpayer, and in the process having to apply for and achieve citizenship, or should we make him pick tomatoes? I think it’s better if he goes to college and becomes a citizen.

onpoint.wbur.org/2010/08/11/mike-huckabee-on-immigration
 
And of course you avoid the subject once again. To refresh your memory, you said:

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Jokes about wetbacks and beaners

So let’s try this one more time. Find us a joke about “wetbacks” or “beaners” on here and then get back to us. Then-] we /-] I can see whether to take you seriously or if you’re just making stuff up in a blind rage.

Thanks for your response. I fixed your mistake.

My post was not about you. Don’t know your politics and don’t care.

I lived in the great southwest for about a decade with mexican american neighbors. I think conservatives should not write off an entire group of voters to appeal fans of Sheriff Joe Arpaio. Arpaio will be gone in a few years. Mexican Americans ain’t going nowhere. Rather, there will be more and more Mexican Americans in the next several decades here in the southwest. I think a family oriented and religious community might find a home in the republican party. What do you think?

I said "For grins and giggles use goggle Sheriff Joe Arpaio. Might clue in why 3rd generation americans of mexican heritage just love love love being asked to prove that they are citizens. And you want them to vote republican. Really?

And guess what. Jokes about wetbacks and beaners don’t seem to go over real well here in the great southwest. Also talk about deporting their mothers, fathers, cousins, aunts, uncles, etc. does not seem to get a lot of mexican american support. Can anyone get a clue why?

To use goggle, go on line and type in “goggle.” When you get the goggle search engine, type in “Sheriff Joe Arpaio” “wetbacks” “beaners”. Report back what you find. It’s just that simple.

I think both parties should not write off any group of voters. The democrats messed themselves up chasing homosexual voters while ignoring christian voters. So democrats win NYC and lose the rest of the country. The republicans should not repeat this mistake. Chasing the bigot vote might win them some suburbs but lose the rest of the southwest.

Use google search engine again. There are great arguments from Mexican Americans how illegal immigration is hurting our country. Be nice if conservatives would promote these Mexican American arguments. There are also great arguments from conservative christians that chasing money is hurting our country. Be nice if liberals would promote these conservative christian arguments.
 
(sorry it took so long to reply btw)

Yes but the issue has nothing to do with Hispanics in general so this is irrelevant. The problem is specifically about illegal immigrants from Mexico.

The rest of your post seems to follow on the basis of this same misunderstanding so I guess that’s all I can really say for now.
 
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