Historical accuracy of the gospel of John

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Obviously Luke’s gospel indicates this was a Passover as well.
And so does Matthew, but the thing about the synoptics is that since they’re so interrelated to one another, they really only count as one source. So it’s essentially the synoptic tradition on the one side and John on the other.

I know I’ve said this many times here, but on matters of chronology I tend to trust John more than the synoptic gospels, mainly because of John’s overall linear, coherent nature. His chronology flows smoothly enough that it’s believable. It’s quite unlike the synoptics which are essentially arrangements of self-contained episodic vignettes or pericopes. Since the synoptics arrange some of these pericopes - even material from pericopes - a little differently from each other, I tend to be wary when I see time indicators in them - because they feel kind of artificial at times. I personally don’t take them as literally as I would John’s. And I’m saying this as someone who likes Mark’s gospel among the four!
 
And so does Matthew, but the thing about the synoptics is that since they’re so interrelated to one another, they really only count as one source. So it’s essentially the synoptic tradition on the one side and John on the other.

I know I’ve said this many times here, but on matters of chronology I tend to trust John more than the synoptic gospels, mainly because of John’s overall linear, coherent nature. His chronology flows smoothly enough that it’s believable. It’s quite unlike the synoptics which are essentially arrangements of self-contained episodic vignettes or pericopes. Since the synoptics arrange some of these pericopes - even material from pericopes - a little differently from each other, I tend to be wary when I see time indicators in them - because they feel kind of artificial at times. I personally don’t take them as literally as I would John’s. And I’m saying this as someone who likes Mark’s gospel among the four!
Mark had Peter. Matthew or his community had him and possibly ‘Q’ (which we don’t have a documentation for.) And Luke had, well whoever was in the life of Jesus. At this point I follow the crowd who actually believes Mark and John can be harmonized.
 
Mark had Peter. Matthew or his community had him and possibly ‘Q’ (which we don’t have a documentation for.) And Luke had, well whoever was in the life of Jesus.
The point is that the synoptics share much of the same material (the same basic structure, sometimes even the exact same wording), with Mark as the so-called ‘middle term’, i.e. Mark is closer with both Matthew and Luke than Matthew and Luke are to each other. For all intents and purposes, the synoptics are not really three independent witnesses but three related ones (depending on the theory you believe, either two gospels using one or one gospel abridging two), so they only count as a single witness.

Matthew and Luke may constitute independent sources only in cases where the respective material does not have a parallel in Mark or ‘double tradition’ material (aka ‘Q material’; the stuff found in both Matthew and Luke but not in Mark): for example, the infancy narratives. And even then, if you allow for the possibility that Matthew and Luke knew each other’s gospels - something that’s unthinkable in the two-source (Q) hypothesis; that’s why there’s a Q - then it’s possible that both infancy narratives are not totally independent of each other after all.

For example, the story of Jesus’ triumphal entry into Jerusalem. It’s found in all four gospels, but technically, there’s only two independent witnesses here: the synoptics (Matthew-Mark-Luke) on one side, and John on the other.
At this point I follow the crowd who actually believes Mark and John can be harmonized.
Well, I believe they’re not irreconcilable, although as of the moment a good deal of the harmonizing explanations I’ve encountered (Annie Jaubert’s Essene calendar hypothesis or some variation thereof, for example) are, well, not too convincing personally speaking. Edersheim’s hagigah theory has something going for it IMHO, at least when compared to these other theories, but as pointed out earlier it isn’t very definitive.
 
The point is that the synoptics share much of the same material (the same basic structure, sometimes even the exact same wording), with Mark as the so-called ‘middle term’, i.e. Mark is closer with both Matthew and Luke than Matthew and Luke are to each other. For all intents and purposes, the synoptics are not really three independent witnesses but three related ones (depending on the theory you believe, either two gospels using one or one gospel abridging two), so they only count as a single witness. Matthew and Luke constitute independent sources only in cases where the respective material does not have a parallel in Mark or ‘double tradition’ material (aka ‘Q material’; the stuff found in both Matthew and Luke but not in Mark).
Yeah. When you look at the details of Jesus’ birth and His Passion in Matthew and Luke, they aren’t so independent.
Well, I believe they’re not irreconcilable, although as of the moment a good deal of the harmonizing explanations I’ve encountered (Jaubert’s Essene calendar hypothesis, for example) are, well, not too convincing in my opinions. Edersheim’s hagigah theory has something going for it IMHO, at least when compared to these other theories, but as pointed out earlier it isn’t very definitive.
For me I see no reason to accept one gospel’s chronology over another.
 
Yeah. When you look at the details of Jesus’ birth and His Passion in Matthew and Luke, they aren’t so independent.
Well, they share much of the basics (Jesus was born in Bethlehem, His parents were named Joseph and Mary, Jesus’ conception was not caused by natural means, an angelic appearance to one of Jesus’ parents), but in the details, they differ (for example, the magi in Matthew vs. the shepherds in Luke).

Q scholars would claim the differences in details means that the two infancy narratives are independent traditions (since the assumption is that Matthew and Luke would not have known each other’s gospels), but then again, it’s not impossible that Matthew and Luke did know each other’s gospels and the differences could be ascribed to the respective choices of each author.
For me I see no reason to accept one gospel’s chronology over another.
I just tend to have a Johannine bias because it is pretty much the one gospel of the four that explicitly (and repeatedly) claims to be based on eyewitness testimony, and I’m quite convinced that there’s nothing that really argues against that. In fact, quite the contrary, John is actually pretty strong when it comes to history and chronology. It’s really just the developed, profound Christology that scared off many scholars.

I believe Richard Bauckham when he claimed that for the ancients, John would have been seen as the more ‘historical’ gospel (i.e. the one that adheres the most to ancient notions of historiography) when compared to the synoptics.
 
I just tend to have a Johannine bias because it is pretty much the one gospel of the four that explicitly (and repeatedly) claims to be based on eyewitness testimony, and I’m quite convinced that there’s nothing that really argues against that. In fact, quite the contrary, John is actually pretty strong when it comes to history and chronology. It’s really just the developed, profound Christology that scared off many scholars.

I believe Richard Bauckham when he claimed that for the ancients, John would have been seen as the more ‘historical’ gospel (i.e. the one that adheres the most to ancient notions of historiography) when compared to the synoptics.
Yeah. I repeat that I don’t have a bias toward any gospel. I just believe John and Mark can be harmonized. Well, execept for the accounts of when the soldiers mock Jesus. Only Matthew and Mark are related in this instance, while Luke doesn’t even have it, and John puts it in an earlier time slot.
 
Yeah. I repeat that I don’t have a bias toward any gospel. I just believe John and Mark can be harmonized. Well, execept for the accounts of when the soldiers mock Jesus. Only Matthew and Mark are related in this instance, while Luke doesn’t even have it, and John puts it in an earlier time slot.
Another example is the anointing of Jesus in Bethany. It is apparently placed “two days before the Passover” in Matthew and Mark (well after the triumphal entry), but it happens “six days before the Passover” in John (before the triumphal entry). Luke doesn’t have it, although he does have the story of Jesus also being anointed while eating at the house of Simon the Pharisee.

Jesus’ mocking at the hands of Antipas’ soldiers and being dressed with the “shining/gorgeous robe” could be considered Luke’s analogue to the Roman mocking in the other three gospels.
 
Another example is the anointing of Jesus in Bethany. It is apparently placed “two days before the Passover” in Matthew and Mark (well after the triumphal entry), but it happens “six days before the Passover” in John (before the triumphal entry). Luke doesn’t have it, although he does have the story of Jesus also being anointed while eating at the house of Simon the Pharisee.
Just a side comment.

Actually, I kind of notice that while Matthew and Mark are generally closer to one another than Luke is with Mark, Luke has a tendency to be similar to Mark in general structure than Matthew. In other words (I’m oversimplifying things here I know), in terms of content Matthew is usually closer to Mark (Luke meanwhile tends to have different versions of the same synoptic pericopes - the calling of Peter is an example), while in terms of structure Luke is usually closer to Mark (Matthew sometimes tends to have a different order).
 
Just an aside.

The Pool of Bethesda

Now there is in Jerusalem by the Sheep Gate a pool, in Hebrew called Bethesda, which has five roofed colonnades. In these lay a multitude of invalids—blind, lame, and paralyzed [waiting for the moving of the water].

The interesting thing is (I believe this has been pointed out earlier in this thread), John’s gospel is the only ancient text that ever mentions the Pool of Bethesda. (Josephus, one of our main sources for 1st century Jewish history, doesn’t mention it.) It was because for this reason that many early modern scholars doubted whether Bethesda was ever real at all. They came to the conclusion that John’s gospel was written by someone who had no first-hand knowledge of Jerusalem; Bethesda was seen as either a metaphorical place or as a figment of John’s imagination.

All this changed in the the late 19th century when German archaeologist Conrad Schick (1822-1901) discovered the remains of two large pools with five porches (four surrounding the two pools, one in between them) near St Anne’s Church in the Muslim Quarter in Jerusalem. In the 1960s further excavations unearthed an adjacent Roman temple beneath the ruins of a medieval Crusader-era church and an even older Byzantine sanctuary that stood in the site.


The Pool of Bethesda as it is now.

As for the history of the Pool(s) of Bethesda: the original, northern pool - located northwest of the Temple Mount - was probably the “Upper Pool” mentioned in Isaiah 7:13 and 2 Kings 18:17-18. The remains of a pool cut across the shallow valley dating from the 8th century BC was also found at the site, which gives some credence to this identification. An opening in the reservoir allowed the height of the water to be controlled, and an open channel in the rock allowed water from the pool to be brought into the city.

Later, a second pool was added to the south, perhaps to increase the water capacity; the sluice gate is now used to drain the water of the northern pool into the southern pool. One theory is that this second pool was built by the high priest Simon II (ca. 220s-190s BC) during the late 3rd-early 2nd century BC as part of his construction projects across Jerusalem (cf. Sirach 50:2-3 “In his days a cistern for water was quarried out, a reservoir like the sea in circumference.”)

It’s still a matter of some debate as to what the original purpose of Bethesda was. The usual impression is that it was a dam or a reservoir for rainwater. But another idea is that it was (also) used, in addition to being a reservoir, as a miqveh or a pool for ritual immersion, one of many in the city (the reason for this is that you’ve got to be ritually pure before entering the Temple Mount - therefore there were many such installations near the Temple for the use of worshipers and pilgrims). There is some support for this theory, in that there are a flight of steps extending down along the western side of the southern pool. (the pools are quite deep - 7-8 m / 21-24 ft.)

In addition, the presence of a Roman therapeutic establishment and John’s reference to invalids being there might suggest that Bethesda was also associated with healing. By the time the emperor Hadrian drove the Jews out of Jerusalem and turned it into the city of Aelia Capitolina around AD 130, there was an asklepieion or asclepium, a temple to the Greco-Roman god of healing Asclepius, just east of the southern pool, with natural caves located just to the north of it being converted into small baths.

A French scholar named Antoine Duprez put out a theory that this asclepium had already existed earlier, during and maybe even slightly before the time of Jesus. In which case, Hadrian would have been renovating an already-existing establishment. Anticipating objections to his proposal, Duprez pointed out that Bethesda at that time was still outside the walls of Jerusalem (it would not be included into the city until Herod Agrippa’s reign in 41-44), not to mention that it was close enough to Antonia Fortress. The Roman troops stationed there, he says, could have been behind the development of a Greco-Roman cult in the area.

Now Duprez’s theory was not accepted by some scholars like Joachim Jeremias, since they found it hard to imagine that Jews before AD 70 could have put up with anything gentile within Jerusalem or even its precincts (we know from Josephus that they generally didn’t). But at the same time, it was pointed out that Duprez missed a possible analogy to his proposal. In the Mishnah, there is a reference to a place called ‘Gadyavan’ or ‘Gadyon’ which is apparently just located nearby the Pool of Siloam (or as it is called there, ‘Shiloh’). The name seems to be derived from the phrase Gad Yavan “Greek (= Yavan) Gad (= the name of a fortune deity).” Scholars therefore identify this Gad Yavan with Fortuna Balnearis or Fortuna Salutaris, aspects of the Roman goddess of fortune associated with healing and bath-houses.

So even if there is a hesitancy to say that Bethesda was already an asclepion at so early a date, one can’t totally rule out the possibility of an influence of the Asclepius cult in the area at that time (the pool also non-Jews in addition to Jews).


A reconstruction of the Pool of Bethesda, with Antonia Fortress in the background

 
Just an aside.

The Pool of Bethesda

Now there is in Jerusalem by the Sheep Gate a pool, in Hebrew called Bethesda, which has five roofed colonnades. In these lay a multitude of invalids—blind, lame, and paralyzed [waiting for the moving of the water].

The interesting thing is (I believe this has been pointed out earlier in this thread), John’s gospel is the only ancient text that ever mentions the Pool of Bethesda. (Josephus, one of our main sources for 1st century Jewish history, doesn’t mention it.) It was because for this reason that many early modern scholars doubted whether Bethesda was ever real at all. They came to the conclusion that John’s gospel was written by someone who had no first-hand knowledge of Jerusalem; Bethesda was seen as either a metaphorical place or as a figment of John’s imagination.

All this changed in the the late 19th century when German archaeologist Conrad Schick (1822-1901) discovered the remains of two large pools with five porches (four surrounding the two pools, one in between them) near St Anne’s Church in the Muslim Quarter in Jerusalem. In the 1960s further excavations unearthed an adjacent Roman temple beneath the ruins of a medieval Crusader-era church and an even older Byzantine sanctuary that stood in the site.

As for the history of the Pool(s) of Bethesda: the original, northern pool - located northwest of the Temple Mount - was probably the “Upper Pool” mentioned in Isaiah 7:13 and 2 Kings 18:17-18. The remains of a pool cut across the shallow valley dating from the 8th century BC was also found at the site, which gives some credence to this identification. An opening in the reservoir allowed the height of the water to be controlled, and an open channel in the rock allowed water from the pool to be brought into the city.

Later, a second pool was added to the south, perhaps to increase the water capacity; the sluice gate is now used to drain the water of the northern pool into the southern pool. One theory is that this second pool was built by the high priest Simon II (ca. 220s-190s BC) during the late 3rd-early 2nd century BC as part of his construction projects across Jerusalem (cf. Sirach 50:2-3 “In his days a cistern for water was quarried out, a reservoir like the sea in circumference.”)

It’s still a matter of some debate as to what the original purpose of Bethesda was. The usual impression is that it was a dam or a reservoir for rainwater. But another idea is that it was (also) used, in addition to being a reservoir, as a miqveh or a pool for ritual immersion, one of many in the city (the reason for this is that you’ve got to be ritually pure before entering the Temple Mount - therefore there were many such installations near the Temple for the use of worshipers and pilgrims). There is some support for this theory, in that there are a flight of steps extending down along the western side of the southern pool. (the pools are quite deep - 7-8 m / 21-24 ft.)

In addition, the presence of a Roman therapeutic establishment and John’s reference to invalids being there might suggest that Bethesda was also associated with healing. By the time the emperor Hadrian drove the Jews out of Jerusalem and turned it into the city of Aelia Capitolina around AD 130, there was an asklepieion or asclepium, a temple to the Greco-Roman god of healing Asclepius, just east of the southern pool, with natural caves located just to the north of it being converted into small baths.

A French scholar named Antoine Duprez put out a theory that this asclepium had already existed earlier, during and maybe even slightly before the time of Jesus. In which case, Hadrian would have been renovating an already-existing establishment. Anticipating objections to his proposal, Duprez pointed out that Bethesda at that time was still outside the walls of Jerusalem (it would not be included into the city until Herod Agrippa’s reign in 41-44), not to mention that it was close enough to Antonia Fortress. The Roman troops stationed there, he says, could have been behind the development of a Greco-Roman cult in the area.

Now Duprez’s theory was not accepted by some scholars like Joachim Jeremias, since they found it hard to imagine that Jews before AD 70 could have put up with anything gentile within Jerusalem or even its precincts (we know from Josephus that they generally didn’t). But at the same time, it was pointed out that Duprez missed a possible analogy to his proposal. In the Mishnah, there is a reference to a place called ‘Gadyavan’ or ‘Gadyon’ which is apparently just located nearby the Pool of Siloam (or as it is called there, ‘Shiloh’). The name seems to be derived from the phrase Gad Yavan “Greek (= Yavan) Gad (= the name of a fortune deity).” Scholars therefore identify this Gad Yavan with Fortuna Balnearis or Fortuna Salutaris, aspects of the Roman goddess of fortune associated with healing and bath-houses.

So even if there is a hesitancy to say that Bethesda was already an asclepion at so early a date, one can’t totally rule out the possibility of an influence of the Asclepius cult in the area at that time (the pool also non-Jews in addition to Jews).

http://www.bible-history.com/jerusalem/pool_of_bethesda.jpg
A reconstruction of the Pool of Bethesda, with Antonia Fortress in the background

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-1J6swsEvx...t8_-D4/s400/22b+Bethesda+-+biblewalks.com.jpg
Speaking of the Antonia, I always wondered how Jesus could be tried and tortured in Herod’s palace when the soldiers were garrisoned elsewhere.
 
Speaking of the Antonia, I always wondered how Jesus could be tried and tortured in Herod’s palace when the soldiers were garrisoned elsewhere.
Because the prefect most likely stayed and set up tribunal in Herod’s palace. We know from Josephus (War 2.301) that Gesius Florus, the last governor before the outbreak of war, resided and held trials in Herod’s palace while he was in the city, and that Agrippa II lived in the palace when he visited the city in the 60s (Antiquities 20.189\95). From Philo we know that Pilate set up the infamous golden shields in the palace of Herod, which Philo calls the “house of the governors.”

[Pilate], not so much to honour Tiberius as to annoy the multitude, dedicated in Herod’s palace in the holy city some shields coated with gold. They had no image work traced on them nor anything else forbidden by the law apart from the barest inscription stating two facts, the name of the person who made the dedication and of him in whose honour it was made.

…] Now at that time it was shields on which no likeness had been painted; now it is a colossal statue. Then too the installation was in the house of the governors; now they say it is to be in the inmost part of the temple in the special sanctuary itself, into which the Grand Priest enters once a year only on the Fast as it is called, to offer incense and to pray according to ancestral practice for a full supply of blessings and prosperity and peace for all mankind.

In fact, the Greek word for “palace” or “court” used in Mark 15:16 - aulē - is used more often for Herod’s palace, but never for the Antonia (which Josephus refers to as a “tower”).

The Antonia was on the other hand essentially an observation post. Medieval pilgrims did try to identify the Antonia with the Praetorium of the gospels (that is why the Via Dolorosa begins at the site where it stood), but the tower actually turns out to be smaller than previously thought - too cramped to serve as the governor’s residence, whereas the palace was very large and spacious by comparison - more than enough.
 
Speaking of the Antonia, I always wondered how Jesus could be tried and tortured in Herod’s palace when the soldiers were garrisoned elsewhere.
Fort Antonia was Jerusalem Praetorium (Praetorian prefect Pontius Pilate’s Castellum) That’s where the soldiers were garrisoned. That’s where it all went down ! I even believe the Roman fort was on the highest platform (Gabbatha) of the Temple Mount.

http://files.webklik.nl/user_files/2011_03/236475/photos/castellum.gif
http://www.jpost.com/HttpHandlers/ShowImage.ashx?id=207161&h=530&w=758
 
So after reading this thread I have to ask…

When a bible passage says: And Jesus said, “…”, its not necessarily true that he really said those words?
 
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The Gospel of John was written by:
  1. John the Apostle or
  2. John the Presbyter (a disciple of John the Apostle).
So, either way, the gospel has apostolic credentials just as Mark has the authority of Peter. However, the case for the Apostle is strong. J. Warner Wallace, a former atheist and cold-case detective with the LAPD, cited blogger Max Andrews who laid out the case as seen in the following excerpt:

The Circumstantial Case for John’s Authorship
coldcasechristianity.com/2013/the-circumstantial-case-for-johns-authorship/


  1. *]The author identified himself as “the disciple whom Jesus loved” (21:20, 24), a prominent figure in the Johannine narrative (13:23; 19:26; 20:2; 21:7, 20).

    *]The author used the first person in 1:14, “we have seen his glory,” revealing that he was an eyewitness to the accounts contained in his Gospel.

    *]The “we” of 1:14 refers to the same people as does 2:11, Jesus’ disciples. Thus, the writer was an apostle, an eyewitness, and a disciple of Jesus.

    *]Since the author never referred to himself by name, he cannot be any of the named disciples at the Last Supper: Judas Iscariot (13:2, 26–27), Peter (13:6–9), Thomas (14:5), Philip (14:8–9), or Judas the son of James (14:22).

    *]The disciple that Jesus loved is also one of the seven mentioned in the last chapter: “Simon Peter, Thomas (called ‘Twin’), Nathanael from Cana of Galilee, Zebedee’s sons, and two other of his disciples” (21:2; see 21:7).

    *]Peter and Thomas have already been eliminated. Nathanael is also ruled out as a possible author since the author remains unnamed in John’s Gospel.

    *]The author must be either one of “Zebedee’s [two] sons” or one of the “two other of [Jesus’] disciples.”

    *]Of the two sons of Zebedee, James and John, James can safely be ruled out since he was martyred in the year 42 (see Acts 12:2).

    *]This leaves John the son of Zebedee as the probably author of the Gospel. Irenaeus (c. 130–200): “John the disciple of the Lord, who leaned back on his breast, published the Gospel while he was a resident at Ephesus in Asia” (Against Heresies 3.1.2).

    Well done. Circumstantial cases are not built on a singular piece of direct evidence. Instead, they are assembled from a collection of reasonable inferences. In our state of California, jurors are instructed, “If a witness testifies he saw it raining outside before he came into the courthouse, that testimony is direct evidence that it was raining.” In essence, this testimony (if it is trustworthy) is enough, in and of itself, to prove that it is raining. But you can also conclude it’s raining on the basis of circumstantial evidence. Jurors are also instructed, “For example, if a witness testifies that he saw someone come inside wearing a raincoat covered with drops of water, that testimony is circumstantial evidence because it may support a conclusion that it was raining outside.”

    Max [Andrews] has done a good job of assembling facts [above] that reasonably demonstrate the Apostle John is the author of the fourth gospel. Is the available evidence “complete”? No, but I’ve never worked a case where every piece of possible piece of evidence was available for consideration. While potentially incomplete, the case for John’s authorship is none-the-less sufficient. It’s reasonable. It’s reliable. It meets the standard I’m most concerned about: beyond a reasonable doubt."

    Taken from:

    The Circumstantial Case For John’s Authorship
    coldcasechristianity.com/2013/the-circumstantial-case-for-johns-authorship/

  1. It is my conviction that all we will ever have is circumstantial evidence. I believe it is by the design of Divine Providence. Reason is a preamble to faith, but it’s stops at the threshold of faith. God desires us to have Faith in His word. What we believe is a gift of God, through Jesus Christ. It is confirmed in Ephes: 2;9 “For by grace and not by works so no one may boast, it is a gift of God through Jesus Christ you have been saved.” St.Thomas Aquinas synthesized reason with Faith, to show faith is reasonable. Sciptures emphasizes the pre-eminence of Jesus, all things were made for Him, and by Him, to be all in all, the first…
 
So after reading this thread I have to ask…

When a bible passage says: And Jesus said, “…”, its not necessarily true that he really said those words?
I think the point is to catch the main theme, the spirit, behind the words and not the exact wording. If you know Jesus, you recognize his teachings in the gospels.
 
Paul does not mention any women at the tomb. A poster says that was because women were not thought of as good witnesses. But why would the gospel writers think that they were good witnesses?
The gospel writers told the truth about the women being the first eyewitnesses. That doesn’t mean that Paul had to highlight this fact every time he re-told the story to audiences which would discount it as a result.
Also, I object to saying it is ignorant to deny that one is equal to two. One man is not the same as two angels.
Two guys, Chad and Ralph, are late getting back to the office on their lunch hour. These are their stories:

BOSS: Chad, why were you and Ralph gone so long at lunch today?

CHAD: Sorry, boss, Ralph ran into a couple that he knew from college and they started laughing about old times and went on forever. It won’t happen again.

Later that evening…

WIFE: “Welcome home, Ralph. You’re a little late this evening…everything okay at the office?”

RALPH: Oh, yeah…I took a long lunch so I stayed late to catch up. Say, you’ll never guess who I ran into at lunch…my old college roommate was coming out of the Wendy’s just as I was walking in. Son of a gun. We talked for about 10 minutes, and it turns out he is in town for a convention. We’re planning on having dinner one evening. Are you interested in going?"

Chad and Ralph corroborate each other regarding why they were late getting back from lunch, but they might disagree about how long Ralph talked with his old roommate. And while Chad mentions that they were delayed by Ralph talking with two people whom he did not know, Ralph fails to mention that his roommate’s wife was also at the Wendy’s because he was understandably focused on the person he knew best, his old roommate.
 
Fort Antonia was Jerusalem Praetorium (Praetorian prefect Pontius Pilate’s Castellum) That’s where the soldiers were garrisoned. That’s where it all went down ! I even believe the Roman fort was on the highest platform (Gabbatha) of the Temple Mount.
A Praetorian prefect (i.e. the prefect of the Praetorian guard) is different from a prefect. We know Pilate is a prefect, but he isn’t a praefectus praetorio. Since the Praetorian prefect is a high rank, it would have been unlikely that one would end up being the governor of a small, obscure semi-province like Judaea. It is someone likely to be someone else connected to Pilate who was prefect of the Praetorian guard at the time: Sejanus. Sejanus was practically the man in charge over the Empire when Tiberius retired to Capri in AD 26 - coincidentally the same year Pilate became prefect of Judaea.

The problem with the Antonia fortress = praetorium connection is that it’s a late tradition. It only came about around the 12th century. Stuff like the limestone pavement found in the area (which is connected with John’s Gabbatha) actually turned out to be later than the time of Jesus, dating from the 2nd century when Jerusalem became Aelia Capitolina. In fact, as I pointed out in the last post, we have more literary evidence for the governors staying in Herod the Great’s old palace on the western side of the city than there is for the Antonia tower.
 
The gospel writers told the truth about the women being the first eyewitnesses. That doesn’t mean that Paul had to highlight this fact every time he re-told the story to audiences which would discount it as a result.

Two guys, Chad and Ralph, are late getting back to the office on their lunch hour. These are their stories:

BOSS: Chad, why were you and Ralph gone so long at lunch today?

CHAD: Sorry, boss, Ralph ran into a couple that he knew from college and they started laughing about old times and went on forever. It won’t happen again.

Later that evening…

WIFE: “Welcome home, Ralph. You’re a little late this evening…everything okay at the office?”

RALPH: Oh, yeah…I took a long lunch so I stayed late to catch up. Say, you’ll never guess who I ran into at lunch…my old college roommate was coming out of the Wendy’s just as I was walking in. Son of a gun. We talked for about 10 minutes, and it turns out he is in town for a convention. We’re planning on having dinner one evening. Are you interested in going?"

Chad and Ralph corroborate each other regarding why they were late getting back from lunch, but they might disagree about how long Ralph talked with his old roommate. And while Chad mentions that they were delayed by Ralph talking with two people whom he did not know, Ralph fails to mention that his roommate’s wife was also at the Wendy’s because he was understandably focused on the person he knew best, his old roommate.
I don’t see that story as analogous to what I read in the New Testament.
 
A Praetorian prefect (i.e. the prefect of the Praetorian guard) is different from a prefect. We know Pilate is a prefect, but he isn’t a praefectus praetorio. Since the Praetorian prefect is a high rank, it would have been unlikely that one would end up being the governor of a small, obscure semi-province like Judaea. It is someone likely to be someone else connected to Pilate who was prefect of the Praetorian guard at the time: Sejanus. Sejanus was practically the man in charge over the Empire when Tiberius retired to Capri in AD 26 - coincidentally the same year Pilate became prefect of Judaea.

The problem with the Antonia fortress = praetorium connection is that it’s a late tradition. It only came about around the 12th century. Stuff like the limestone pavement found in the area (which is connected with John’s Gabbatha) actually turned out to be later than the time of Jesus, dating from the 2nd century when Jerusalem became Aelia Capitolina. In fact, as I pointed out in the last post, we have more literary evidence for the governors staying in Herod the Great’s old palace on the western side of the city than there is for the Antonia tower.
12th century ?

Pontius Pilate was the Prefect (head of the Praetorian Guard) stationed at the Praetorium in Jerusalem.

4th century pilgrim from Bordeaux, says

“as you walk towards the (Damascus Gate) gate of Neapolis, towards the right, below in the valley, are walls (temple mount walls), where was the house or praetorium of Pontius Pilate”

The Praetorium was not Herod’s palace up to the left, but down to the right.

christusrex.org/www1/ofm/pilgr/bord/10Bord07bJerus.html
christusrex.org/www1/ofm/pilgr/sophr/Sophr21DamascusGate.html

 
12th century ?

Pontius Pilate was the Prefect (head of the Praetorian Guard) stationed at the Praetorium in Jerusalem.

4th century pilgrim from Bordeaux, says

“as you walk towards the (Damascus Gate) gate of Neapolis, towards the right, below in the valley, are walls (temple mount walls), where was the house or praetorium of Pontius Pilate”

The Praetorium was not Herod’s palace up to the left, but down to the right.

christusrex.org/www1/ofm/pilgr/bord/10Bord07bJerus.html
christusrex.org/www1/ofm/pilgr/sophr/Sophr21DamascusGate.html

http://oi66.tinypic.com/217lex.jpg
The Praetorian Guard was stationed in Rome. And all the evidence points to Herod’s palace. It was bigger and more suitable for the govenor to reside in than the Antonia.
 
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