History of Islam. *QUESTION*

[Reuben_J]

With all due respect, I think it is you that is disrespectful and ignorant. I understand Christian theology probably better that you. I am aware that there are Christian apologies for these type of verses. You and other Christians should understand, though, that you have to respond to this. Especially if you are going to claim that Islam is so barbaric and aweful. The God of the Bible is calling for genocide and even infanticide. You can not squirm out of this by claiming that this was all leading up to the Messiah. The bottom line is that the God of the Bible commanded Jewish leaders to infanticide! I guess that they could have explained to a mother, as they murdered her children, to take heart as this was all necessary to hasten the Messianic age.

I was wrong about you and I am sorry. I did not follow your posts after your initial ones and I am sorry I misunderstand.

May God bless you.

 

[MHalsey]

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you trace your believes to Mohammad my sister, and his teachings. Not what God taught us.

I think you have your answer. islam did not exist before muhammed. Therefore a muslim cannot worship the same God we do. The quote above proves it. They think they believe and worship the God of Abraham, but what they really worship are the teachings of muhammed.

 

[Benjamin8o8]

Islam did not exist before Muhammad. This is why Muslim_woman, and planten are ignoring my other posts because they KNOW it is true.

 

[Reuben_J]

Islam did not exist before Muhammad. This is why Muslim_woman, and planten are ignoring my other posts because they KNOW it is true.

I find it difficult to accept that anyone who submits to God is a Muslim either. Hamba said we (Christians) don’t submit to God but how does he know our hearts?

I guess some questions may be better left unanswered so that things that can be uncovered by answering them will be left uncovered and unknown.

 

[chrisse]

All people do this, even Christians! You should watch the movie Liar! Liar! with Jim Carrey. Islam, whether you like it or not (even some Muslims do not under stand this), is about principles. To be blindly committed to an extrinsic act without observing higher principles is absurd. In the example that you gave, the intention could be to bring about reconciliation between friends or family. Do you think that is bad???

We are talking about ISLAMIC LAW - the law of allah - unchangeable for eternity - the civil law of muslim society.

Muslims are commanded by allah’s law to LIE.

Stop with this pathetic moral equivalence, which fails miserably, and shows only either your own lies or ignorance or both.

Yes, I think that it is bad to lie. Truth hurts at times, but it is the only way to be truly reconciled. I’ve heard all the silly examples put forward “if you wife asks if she’s pretty…” etcetera; these are only distractions from the real issue : MUSLIMS ARE OBLIGATED BY ALLAH’S LAW TO LIE TO NON-MUSLIMS TO ADVANCE ISLAM.

Fact is, you cannot actually trust an adherent of Islam’s ideology in any way if you are a non-muslim.

 

[chrisse]

With all due respect, I think it is you that is disrespectful and ignorant. I understand Christian theology probably better that you. I am aware that there are Christian apologies for these type of verses. You and other Christians should understand, though, that you have to respond to this. Especially if you are going to claim that Islam is so barbaric and aweful. The God of the Bible is calling for genocide and even infanticide. You can not squirm out of this by claiming that this was all leading up to the Messiah. The bottom line is that the God of the Bible commanded Jewish leaders to infanticide! I guess that they could have explained to a mother, as they murdered her children, to take heart as this was all necessary to hasten the Messianic age.

eichenb2, would you do me a favour and tell all of those tribes specifically referred to in that place, that time, only that place and only that time, that the Christians are coming for them.

Islam is barbaric and awful, it is for ALL TIME, towards ALL PEOPLE.

 

[Chancellare]

The God of the Bible is calling for genocide and even infanticide. You can not squirm out of this by claiming that this was all leading up to the Messiah. The bottom line is that the God of the Bible commanded Jewish leaders to infanticide! I guess that they could have explained to a mother, as they murdered her children, to take heart as this was all necessary to hasten the Messianic age.

Never before have I seen such an ignorant and patent lie of a claim in a single post.

 

[nosadl]

To be considered a “true Muslim”, one really does need to know and fully understand the immense importance and significance of standing, bowing, kneeling and especially prostration when praying.

The mere fact that pews and chairs have been installed as permanent fixtures in Churches and Cathedrals is therefore more than sufficient proof that Christians are NOT “true Muslims” at heart.

Jesus said to the Pharisees, “you bow before the letter fo the law and ignore its spirit”. Also, “and when you pray do not be like the pharisees who love to be seen and praised by men”

Your arguments show that your pre-occupation is so much about form and so little about substance. Come on, God Loves you and you should Love God, not fear him. For that is what I gather from your posts. you are so filled with fear. A good heart, not a mindless obedience to medieval rules, is important. Find out more about Christ before you dismiss him as a prophet and not God. Be objective and go to non-biased, non-muslim sources. For all the nulsim sources ever spout is that the Christianm Bible is corrupt and Jesus did not say he was God. Have you ever thought that your sources themselves are corrupt. For the bible has undeibale references to Jesus’ divinity. Go read John.

Peace of Christ be upon you. I pray that Christ calls you to him.

 

[c659smith]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

God created heaven for those who worhip Him without taking other deities besides Him. And Muslims don’t take any diety besides one God .

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Muhammed & Jesus (pbut) were slaves & Messengers of God Almighty. Both of them will be in heaven by the mercy & will of God .

Surah/ Chapter 9. Repentance, Dispensation

They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One Allah.

there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him). ( Quran ; 9:31)

In Surah only the priests and the hermits get to heaven?
a person who lives in seclusion(anchorites) usually for religious reasons

In surah law-- (Dispensation) an exemption from a law or from an impediment, vow, or oath b: a formal authorization

and you say (will be) so they are not now for their is no entry no way to heaven.

 

[hamba2han]

In Surah only the priests and the hermits get to heaven?
a person who lives in seclusion(anchorites) usually for religious reasons

In surah law-- (Dispensation) an exemption from a law or from an impediment, vow, or oath b: a formal authorization

and you say (will be) so they are not now for their is no entry no way to heaven.

If you really want to learn and understand the things that a Muslim needs to do in order to enter Paradise, then I would suggest that you refer to the following two links, 1 & 2.

 

[c659smith]

If you really want to learn and understand the things that a Muslim needs to do in order to enter Paradise, then I would suggest that you refer to the following two links, 1 & 2.

I agree items 1 and 2 do not connect.

In reality though I have read the Koran and there is no way/path to heaven.

 

[hamba2han]

… In reality though I have read the Koran and there is no way/path to heaven.

Think of the Qur’an as the map to guide us in the journey of life and think of the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as the legend by which to correctly read this map.

And in order to obtain a good understanding of Islam, I would advise you to do a crash course on the ahadith (plural of hadith) and learning Imam Nawawi’s collection of 40 ahadith does indeed provide a short but very comprehensive lesson on all of the major teachings of Islam.

 

[planten]

I agree items 1 and 2 do not connect.

In reality though I have read the Koran and there is no way/path to heaven.

Item 1 page cannot be displayed. But Item 2 is available. It is a good reply from Hamba.

Please remember that Partial Heaven and Hell start from the life in this world. The signs of the life of next world become visible here in this world. But real manifestation of Paradise and Hell will only be felt in next life.

If one follows the advice of the messenger Muhammad properly then he/she can experience Heavens in this world. See verses of Quran below:

Al-Quran 41:30, Those who say that their Lord is Allah and they remain steadfast (on that), angels descend on them telling them " Do not be afraid and do not be sad. And be pleased with the good news of Paradise which is promised for you."

41:31, “We are your friends in the life of this world and in the next world life. And for you is, therein, whatever you desired. And therein is for you whatever you hoped for (wanted).”

41:32, “It will be a feast for you from the Forgiving, The most Merciful (God).”

 

[c659smith]

Item 1 page cannot be displayed. But Item 2 is available. It is a good reply from Hamba.

Please remember that Partial Heaven and Hell start from the life in this world. The signs of the life of next world become visible here in this world. But real manifestation of Paradise and Hell will only be felt in next life.

If one follows the advice of the messenger Muhammad properly then he/she can experience Heavens in this world. See verses of Quran below:

Al-Quran 41:30, Those who say that their Lord is Allah and they remain steadfast (on that), angels descend on them telling them " Do not be afraid and do not be sad. And be pleased with the good news of Paradise which is promised for you."

41:31, “We are your friends in the life of this world and in the next world life. And for you is, therein, whatever you desired. And therein is for you whatever you hoped for (wanted).”

41:32, “It will be a feast for you from the Forgiving, The most Merciful (God).”

yes but what about heaven in the next: Eternal Lfe, Salvation, etc…

Is there a way / path?

or are you waiting for the Messiah like the Jews?

Or to you follow a dififferent old Testament?

 

[c659smith]

Item 1 page cannot be displayed. But Item 2 is available. It is a good reply from Hamba.

Please remember that Partial Heaven and Hell start from the life in this world. The signs of the life of next world become visible here in this world. But real manifestation of Paradise and Hell will only be felt in next life.

If one follows the advice of the messenger Muhammad properly then he/she can experience Heavens in this world. See verses of Quran below:

Al-Quran 41:30, Those who say that their Lord is Allah and they remain steadfast (on that), angels descend on them telling them " Do not be afraid and do not be sad. And be pleased with the good news of Paradise which is promised for you."

41:31, “We are your friends in the life of this world and in the next world life. And for you is, therein, whatever you desired. And therein is for you whatever you hoped for (wanted).”

but I asked specifically about these questions that a Moslem posted on a recent posting.

do you have answers to these specific question?

41:32, “It will be a feast for you from the Forgiving, The most Merciful (God).”

In Surah only the priests and the hermits get to heaven?
a person who lives in seclusion(anchorites) usually for religious reasons

In surah law-- (Dispensation) an exemption from a law or from an impediment, vow, or oath b: a formal authorization

and you say (will be) so they are not now for their is no entry no way to heaven.

and this was to an answer that I asked for and that is “can a Moslem get to heaven”?

What is the path for eternal salvation in heaven?

How many prayers, fastings, sacrafices?

 

[sedonaman]

Muslims DO believe in the same God we do. There is no denying that. Sure, we have our differences, but come on, muslim women are so much more pure then Christian females. I honestly believe, God bestows his Mercy on US because of them. When I attend Mass, and I see how disgusting some of these girls dress before the Holy Eucharist, I am truly convinced we should be greatful for these God-fearing women. And seeing that they don`t even believe Jesus as being God, they still have more respect for Jesus then the “Christian” women you see on tv and elsewhere.

C’mon. Christian women don’t show respect in church; Muslim women are more pure; ergo, we worship the same God. A better example of a non-sequitur would be next to impossible to find.

There was a time in ancient Egypt when Egyptians worshiped one god, the sun god Ra. Yet no one would make such an absurd claim as to say they worshiped the same God as we do. But it would make more sense than the reason you gave for saying Muslims worship the same god as Jews and Christians.

 

[Benjamin8o8]

C’mon. Christian women don’t show respect in church; Muslim women are more pure; ergo, we worship the same God. A better example of a non-sequitur would be next to impossible to find.

There was a time in ancient Egypt when Egyptians worshiped one god, the sun god Ra. Yet no one would make such an absurd claim as to say they worshiped the same God as we do. But it would make more sense than the reason you gave for saying Muslims worship the same god as Jews and Christians.

they dont worship the Author of the universe, only the sun god. Muslims worship the Father of Jesus, but they dont keep His laws, they submit to Mohammad

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

they submit to Mohammad

Say: “Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are [all] for Allah, the Cherisher of the worlds.”
(Al-An`m 6:162)

 

[paarsurrey]

Hello everybody, I am new here by the way. However as my first thread I did wanted to post a question I have for our Islamic brothers and sisters.

How come Islam can only be traced back to Mohamad but yet you claim that Moses, Abraham, and even Jesus Christ was a Muslim.

Now I know you might answer “well all of them submitted themselves to God, thus making them Muslim” but isnt submitting oneself to God Almighty something that all three world religions have in common? I mean, Christians and Jews need to submit themselves to God as well, so why assume that Jesus Christ was a Muslim? It just dose not maky any sense to me.

If you claim that religion of Islam (the one that Mohammad preached) got corrupted during time, could you at least tell me where, how, and when?

Thank you.

Your brother in Allah
Benjamin K.

love and peace.

Hi

All revealed religions are from one source God Allah YHWH the Creator of the Universe and are truthful in the origin. All human beings have to submit to the will of God Allah YHWH and in that sense they are Muslims; though a Muslim who does not submit to the will of Creator may be termed in that sense as being not a Muslim.

All Messengers are perfect men and hence perfect submitter to the will of the Creator and are therefore Muslims in this sense.

There is no guarantee from God Allah YHWH that a Muslim in name cannot committ sins or cannot get corrupted; so the Muslims could get corrupted but not Islam. Islam is as fresh as ever as envisaged in Quran the only pristine and secure Word of God Allah YHWH. All essential history as required by a truthful religion is also included in Quran; so it does not require any external resources.

I think that helps

Thanks

 

[sedonaman]

they dont worship the Author of the universe, only the sun god. Muslims worship the Father of Jesus, but they dont keep His laws, they submit to Mohammad

Looks like you proved my point.