Holy See approves new English translation of the Order of Mass - Plus, a bishop's pastoral concern

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japhy said:
Two bits of exciting news!
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Just what is so “exciting” about this? From the links, etc, it generally sounds like a return to the Mass of 1965-69.

Been there, done that, got the tee shirt.

Whatever the HMC says, I will follow.

This is “exciting” in what way? How will this enrich the faith of Catholics? How will it bring people closer to Christ? How will it improve our prospects for Salvation?

Changing a few words. As Archie Bunker would say…“whoop-tee-doo, whoop-tee-doo.”

For most Catholics, it won’t matter one way or the other.

For the tradtionalist crowd, it is a reversion to old ways, and something to pour gasoline on the fires of self-righteous chest-pounding.

For others, it appears to be another opportunity to attack music used in the Church.

So, while you’re beating your chests in glee, consider that for 99% of the Catholics out there, it won’t bother them in the least, because they don’t waste their time critiquing and criticizing the Church and her clergy.
 
ethelzguy said:
So, while you’re beating your chests in glee, consider that for 99% of the Catholics out there, it won’t bother them in the least,
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GREAT! If you’re correct, then those of us who are delighted are delighted, and nearly everyone else won’t be upset by the change. That leaves a tiny, insignificant fraction who are unhappy and gloomy about it all. That is cause for rejoicing, don’t you think?
 
ethelzguy said:
For the tradtionalist crowd, it is a reversion to old ways,
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No, it is a translation of a Missal promulgated in 2000 done according to the guidelines for translations set down by Rome.

Nothing more, nothing less.
For others, it appears to be another opportunity to attack music used in the Church.
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No, it is an opportunity to produce liturgical music according to the guidelines set down by Rome. Nothing more, nothing less.
So, while you’re beating your chests in glee, consider that for 99% of the Catholics out there, it won’t bother them in the least, .
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Good, I am glad that no one is bothered by a translation done accoring to the desires of Pope John Paul II . I am certainly am not. In fact, that is why I am 'beating my chest with glee", I get to see yet more work of that holy Pontiff coming to fruition. Why would a Catholic NOT be thrilled to see that happen?
 
ethelzguy said:
Just what is so “exciting” about this? From the links, etc, it generally sounds like a return to the Mass of 1965-69. Been there, done that, got the tee shirt.
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Well, I have no experience with the Mass of 1965-69. Nor did I ever get a t-shirt for it. 😦
ethelzguy said:
This is “exciting” in what way? How will this enrich the faith of Catholics? How will it bring people closer to Christ? How will it improve our prospects for Salvation?
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I think a more accurate translation will help the words of the Mass convey the faith more accurately; and if clarity is an issue, there should be ample opportunities to catechize the faithful (laity and clergy alike)! It will mean we are celebrating the liturgy in a way more consonant with Latin text, which is the text the Church feels is the best. Perhaps the new translation will bring to light (and lips and ears!) some things that have been somewhat obscured or glossed over for the past few decades.
ethelzguy said:
For most Catholics, it won’t matter one way or the other.
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Oh! That’s good! And to think, some of the bishops were afraid it would wreak havoc because the average Catholic wouldn’t be able to understand a thing!
ethelzguy said:
For others, it appears to be another opportunity to attack music used in the Church.
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Well, we will no longer be using existing musical settings for the Ordinary that take a poor translation and change those words even further; I find a reason to be glad in that. I’ll try to avoid “attack[ing] music”, though.
ethelzguy said:
So, while you’re beating your chests in glee, consider that for 99% of the Catholics out there, it won’t bother them in the least, because they don’t waste their time critiquing and criticizing the Church and her clergy.
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No, no, beating the chests is reserved for penitence and sorrow! And please, let’s retain a positive outlook; this is a cause for rejoicing, not dwelling in gloominess.
 
Well I do have experience with the Mass of 1965-69, and I can tell you that it wasn’t the Nuns or Priests who were handing out the T-shirts, nor would you have been allowed to wear one to Mass. 😛
 
ibkc said:
GREAT! If you’re correct, then those of us who are delighted are delighted, and nearly everyone else won’t be upset by the change. That leaves a tiny, insignificant fraction who are unhappy and gloomy about it all. That is cause for rejoicing, don’t you think?
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Yepper 👍
 
Brendan said:
Good, I am glad that no one is bothered by a translation done accoring to the desires of Pope John Paul II . I am certainly am not. In fact, that is why I am 'beating my chest with glee", I get to see yet more work of that holy Pontiff coming to fruition. Why would a Catholic NOT be thrilled to see that happen?
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I doubt that many will be bothered. It just amuses me to see some folks get so worked up over something so minor.

There can be a fine line between being a devout Catholic and fringe lunacy. 😃
 
japhy said:
Well, we will no longer be using existing musical settings for the Ordinary that take a poor translation and change those words even further; I find a reason to be glad in that. I’ll try to avoid “attack[ing] music”, though.

**Groovy. This will create an opportunity for folks like OPC to sell new hymnals. **:eek:

No, no, beating the chests is reserved for penitence and sorrow! And please, let’s retain a positive outlook; this is a cause for rejoicing, not dwelling in gloominess.

I’m not gloomy at all. I just get a kick out of how jacked up some get over things like this. Like the Church has been rocked to the core or something.
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ethelzguy said:
I doubt that many will be bothered. It just amuses me to see some folks get so worked up over something so minor.

There can be a fine line between being a devout Catholic and fringe lunacy. 😃
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It’s what Pope John Paul wanted to do, and +Benedict desires to continue it, so why should I NOT be pleased that the work of these men are coming into fruition?

I’m sure most will not care one way or the other, and for those very few who are bothered, that is why the bishops are looking into catechesis. That way, the very few who are bothered may be educated in the wisdom of JP-II’s decision and see why he mandated these changes.

There will, I’m sure, be an even smaller minority who are content to remain in ignorance about the need for the changes, but there is very little that can be done when grown adults choose to be willfully ignorant, other than pray.
 
ethelzguy said:
I doubt that many will be bothered. It just amuses me to see some folks get so worked up over something so minor.
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I’m “excited”, I’m not “worked up”. I’m very pleased to see this progress being made, because it will have an impact on my worship in the Mass.
ethelzguy said:
There can be a fine line between being a devout Catholic and fringe lunacy.
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Could you let me know just what that is? I spent 20+ years of my life oblivious to much (if not all) the workings of our Popes, Bishops, and various dicasteries. For the past two years or so, I’ve immersed myself in so much literature I admit I sometimes forget to “come up for (pr)air”.
 
Brendan said:
It’s what Pope John Paul wanted to do, and +Benedict desires to continue it, so why should I NOT be pleased that the work of these men are coming into fruition?

I’m sure most will not care one way or the other, and for those very few who are bothered, that is why the bishops are looking into catechesis. That way, the very few who are bothered may be educated in the wisdom of JP-II’s decision and see why he mandated these changes.

There will, I’m sure, be an even smaller minority who are content to remain in ignorance about the need for the changes, but there is very little that can be done when grown adults choose to be willfully ignorant, other than pray.
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Yah, I’m willfully ignorant…that’s it! I spent hours with a couple of priests back in the 70’s who could explain the whats and whys over every word and phrase in the Pauline Mass.

It certainly was not the product of a group of rogue bishops who got drunk one weekend and decided to re-write the mass. 😛

Nah. Truth is, I’ve lived through enough changes in the Chruch, that I don’t get too shook up either way when changes occur.
 
japhy said:
because it will have an impact on my worship in the Mass.
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Oh, so it’s about YOU…I thought it was about God and the Sacrifice of the Mass…

Just kidding, Japhy, but I couldn’t pass that one up. 😃
 
ethelzguy said:
Just what is so “exciting” about this? From the links, etc, it generally sounds like a return to the Mass of 1965-69.

Been there, done that, got the tee shirt.

Whatever the HMC says, I will follow.

This is “exciting” in what way? How will this enrich the faith of Catholics? How will it bring people closer to Christ? How will it improve our prospects for Salvation?

Changing a few words. As Archie Bunker would say…“whoop-tee-doo, whoop-tee-doo.”

For most Catholics, it won’t matter one way or the other.

For the tradtionalist crowd, it is a reversion to old ways, and something to pour gasoline on the fires of self-righteous chest-pounding.

For others, it appears to be another opportunity to attack music used in the Church.

So, while you’re beating your chests in glee, consider that for 99% of the Catholics out there, it won’t bother them in the least, because they don’t waste their time critiquing and criticizing the Church and her clergy.
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For once I agree with you.

Once the translators get involved, heaven help us all.
 
It sort of reminds me of the power company here in North Texas.

For years, they were “Texas Power and Light”, then they became “TU Electric”, then “TXU Energy”, then “Oncor”, then back to “TXU Energy”…

The only people coming out on this deal, was the stationery printers, sign makers, and truck decal people.

Reworking the Mass will be a boon to publishers and music writers, for sure. 😉
 
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