Holy War Declared On the Pope

[papaltruth]

The crusades were in response to Muslim aggression in the first place! By the time the crusades actually started Islam had taken over half of Christian territory!

Vickie

Yes, but who occupied the lands prior to the Eastern Roman empire? Land of Israel fell under Assyrian, Babylonian, Persian, Greek, Roman, Sassanian, and Byzantine rule. This is just Israel. The Roman empire was not eternal. The land had been conquered and reconquered many times. My point is that by the same means the Muslims took the land, the Catholic church, by decree of the pope, tried to take it back. Not to mention in areas such as Ireland, which was not under the rule of the Catholic church, was taken by military force to spread Catholicism. This is no different then what the Muslims have been doing.

 

[Booklover]

Yes, but who occupied the lands prior to the Eastern Roman empire? Land of Israel fell under Assyrian, Babylonian, Persian, Greek, Roman, Sassanian, and Byzantine rule. This is just Israel. The Roman empire was not eternal. The land had been conquered and reconquered many times. My point is that by the same means the Muslims took the land, the Catholic church, by decree of the pope, tried to take it back. Not to mention in areas such as Ireland, which was not under the rule of the Catholic church, was taken by military force to spread Catholicism. This is no different then what the Muslims have been doing.

Protestant sour grapes!

Vickie

 

[dolphinlove]

Protestant sour grapes!

Vickie

Vickie…
Im soooo ashamed of you, lets try a new and loving approach to people outside of our superior religion shall we?!?!?
Oh who am i kidding…
Protestant sour grapes

 

[Benedict16]

“AND THE GATES OF HELL WILL NOT PREVAIL.” Islam is a religion sent from Satan. Period.

 

[exoflare]

Not to mention in areas such as Ireland, which was not under the rule of the Catholic church, was taken by military force to spread Catholicism.

hmmmmm

 

[elts1956]

Protestant sour grapes!

Vickie

Not sour grapes, but an honest questioning of the reasons for the Crusades. I have often wondered the exact timeline of which country, or which religion had the right to occupy and rule in the Holy Land. It is also my understanding that Christians and Muslims lived peacefully in the same areas until the beginning of the Crusades. Perhaps there are different takes and writers of history who would not agree with this. It is a complex issue. Also writer of “protestant sour grapes”, Protestants are also Christian, and many times more “Christian” and open hearted than we Catholics.

 

[elts1956]

Protestant sour grapes!

Vickie

hmmmmm

“AND THE GATES OF HELL WILL NOT PREVAIL.” Islam is a religion sent from Satan. Period.

Any Religion can take on the ‘APPEARANCE’ of having been sent from Satan, depending upon how its members behave toward others. Just a jot of relativism here.

 

[Nickkname]

Another day, another threat

Let’s pray for the Muslims. :yup:

 

[Dale_M]

It may be worth noting that this thread is from 2006.

Let’s pray for the Muslims. :yup:

Absolutely!

 

[wisdomseeker]

Gaza Imam Sheik Abu Saqer declares Jihad on the ‘little rascal’ Pope Ben XVI.

worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52102
“The day will soon come when the green flag of La Illah Illah Allah (There is no god but Allah) and Muhammad Rasul Allah (Muhammad is the Prophet of Allah) will be raised upon the Vatican and all around the world and on the fortresses of those who want to destroy Islam, because they know that this religion obliges them to face the truth that Islam is Allah’s favorite religion. And until they join Islam, hell is their last station,” Abu Saqer said.

Abu Saqer said he rejected the pope’s stated apologies.

“He did not apologize. He said everything but an apology, which proves these are diplomatic acts and not a feeling of being sorry.”

Abu Saqer claimed he did not condone violence. He blamed the pope for recent anti-Christian attacks in the Palestinian territories.

“We are deeply sorry for these acts that we condemn,” he said. “But I am sorry that this little racist did not think of the consequences upon the Christians in the Arab world when he insulted our prophet. It is an open war – the Muslims against all the others.”

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Abu Saqer is deeply sorry for the Islamist violence but… death to the Pope. Allah is most merciful, most forgiving.

Just wondering if catholics made such statement against islams what do you think it would happen? what would be their reaction?
just curious.

**“I should not believe the Gospel except as moved by the authority of the Catholic Church.”
Saint Augustine (354-430), Against the Letter of Mani, 5,6, 397 A.D… **

 

[NReily]

Yes, but who occupied the lands prior to the Eastern Roman empire? **Land of Israel fell under Assyrian, Babylonian, Persian, Greek, Roman, Sassanian, and Byzantine rule. ** This is just Israel. The Roman empire was not eternal. The land had been conquered and reconquered many times. My point is that by the same means the Muslims took the land, the Catholic church, by decree of the pope, tried to take it back. Not to mention in areas such as Ireland, which was not under the rule of the Catholic church, was taken by military force to spread Catholicism. This is no different then what the Muslims have been doing.

Which that all happened because Israel was busy disobeying God, and then he finally got fed up with it and let them get conquered. If they had obeyed, who knows how long the would have held the land. (They may not even be the same mess they are today.) Anyway, this is sort of going to common question about the Colonists taking away the Indians land. It was never their land as they never claimed it. Then a State, or a collection of states in this case, not the church, claims the land for their state, and this is upheld by the principles of International Law held at that time. So in our case, you have Europe, which was a bunch of nomadic tribes like the Visigoths and the like that are soon conquered by the Roman Empire, not the church again. Then Constantine’s conversion happens and Christianity is finally considered legitimate in the empire. Then Christianity spreads like wildfire throughout the Empire, even after the Empire’s collapse, leading to have a number of states claimed the individual remnants of the Empire, most to all which are Christian. Then you have a large number of Seljuk turks over the Centuries try time and time again to conquer Europe and the States defend themselves, because the conquering of Europe would have also mean the suppression of Christianity. Then only 50 or so years after the East-West Schism, the Byznantine Emperor Alexis goes: “Help!”, were getting over run by these people, and the West responds. So this really dives into the question as to the legitimacy of International Law as a moral criteria.

Overall, you simply cannot classify the Crusades as anything else but the legitimate defense of a sovereign state from another state whose plan was not defense of its people, but simply the conquering of what was the known world at that time.

 

[Harmony1988]

What is his idea of a heartfelt apology? A conversion to Islam?

Yea, I’m sure that everyone in the Vatican knows Islam is the truth, but simply hiding it. I mean seriously…was this guy even educated? Besides his contradictions, his conclusions rising from his premises which are all assumptions is just…sad, to say the very least.

One would think a prominent speaker should have some sort of logic.

“Abu Saqer is deeply sorry for the Islamist violence but… death to the Pope. Allah is most merciful, most forgiving.” - Haha, well put.

I’m sure Europe would take kindly to islamic forces walking in. I mean to get to the Vatican you have to first invade Italy. And it’s not like Italy is floating around in the middle of the ocean.

“The only dialogue we will accept is when all other religions agree to convert to Islam.” - Yea, everyone’s going to convert to Islam, since it’s such a peaceful religion

 

[nobeerinheaven]

Well we know from Catholic prophesy that one of the Popes before the period of the minor Chastisement will die a cruel death in exile, and that foreign flags will fly over the Vatican. My suspicion is that this jihadist is fundamentally correct in his predictions, as sad as that is.

 

[mangy_dog]

Gaza Imam Sheik Abu Saqer declares Jihad on the ‘little rascal’ Pope Ben XVI.

worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52102
“The day will soon come when the green flag of La Illah Illah Allah (There is no god but Allah) and Muhammad Rasul Allah (Muhammad is the Prophet of Allah) will be raised upon the Vatican and all around the world and on the fortresses of those who want to destroy Islam, because they know that this religion obliges them to face the truth that Islam is Allah’s favorite religion. And until they join Islam, hell is their last station,” Abu Saqer said.

Abu Saqer said he rejected the pope’s stated apologies.

“He did not apologize. He said everything but an apology, which proves these are diplomatic acts and not a feeling of being sorry.”

Abu Saqer claimed he did not condone violence. He blamed the pope for recent anti-Christian attacks in the Palestinian territories.

“We are deeply sorry for these acts that we condemn,” he said. “But I am sorry that this little racist did not think of the consequences upon the Christians in the Arab world when he insulted our prophet. It is an open war – the Muslims against all the others.”

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Abu Saqer is deeply sorry for the Islamist violence but… death to the Pope. Allah is most merciful, most forgiving.

You gotta lo…la la la la la la la la la…ve this guy. Sorry couldn’t resist the jihad cry.

Anyway. What else is new. With this pope (God bless him) your only gonna get the truth and nothing but the truth - no matter how painful.

So if its not one thing its the other.

The only peacful muslims are the ones who are victimized, terrorized and oppressed by the militant, violent muslims. Those and the ones living in democratic countries like US and UK…living peacful lives.

There is only one God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit…One God.

 

[b_ulmen]

Gaza Imam Sheik Abu Saqer declares Jihad on the ‘little rascal’ Pope Ben XVI.

"The day will soon come when the green flag of La Illah Illah Allah (There is no god but Allah) and Muhammad Rasul Allah (Muhammad is the Prophet of Allah) will be raised upon the Vatican and all around the world and on the fortresses of those who want to destroy Islam,

Abu Saqer claimed he did not condone violence. .

That’s interesting, he will raise his flag over someone elses lands, but does not condone violence. And just how does he propose to execute this amazing feat?

I’ve never been able to understand how imam’s such as this can ignore the obivous hypocrasy within thier own statements. Is it done on purpose, or are they turly incapable of recognizing the illogic?