Home-schooled girl fights for band spot

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Lincoln Journal Star

June 18, 2005
by Kendra Waltke

Before the parade passes her by, Tiffany Hasley will stand up for her right to perform with the Beatrice High School marching band. She’ll be on the corner of 13th and Court streets in Beatrice at 8:30 a.m. this morning, all lined up for today’s Homestead Days Parade.

Clarinet in hand, standing tall in her stiff new band shoes, she plans to leave quietly when school officials tell her she cannot march. Because the home-schooled eighth-grader does not want to make a scene, just a point. That is: Home-school students should be allowed to participate in any public school activity, as long as they pay taxes and live within the school district.

“I’m not in tears,” she said. “But I’m kind of mad. My band teacher says I’m a good student. And I am first-chair clarinet.”

Beatrice High School officials told Tiffany last month that she would not be able to participate in band next year as a ninth-grader. The school bars home-school students from being in activities regulated by the Nebraska School Activities Association.

Tiffany’s parents, Ron and Vicki Hasley, plan to fight the school’s decision, maybe even in court. But, at least for this summer, they figured she could still play with the band.

That’s not the case, they learned Wednesday when band director Bruce Greenwell told Tiffany just before practice that Superintendent Dale Kruse decided she should sit out Saturday’s parade. On Friday, the Hasleys received a formal letter from Kruse stating the same.

“They say she isn’t registered, but no one has to be registered until school starts this fall,” said Ron Hasley. “Really, quote me that policy. Show me that statute.”

Both Kruse and BHS activities director Randy Coleman were unavailable for comment Friday.

But Roger Harris, attorney for the Beatrice school board, said the decision is consistent with school policy. No one can play in the band unless they are registered, full-time students at the school, he said.

“Even though marching in the parade is an informal thing, it’s not open to just anyone,” Harris said.

“Say a student from Wymore wanted to march. Would anyone care? Probably not. But the perception is, ‘This is the Beatrice High School band,’ and we have to protect that.”

Whether homeschool students can be in marching band is at the discretion of each school, said Jim Tenopir, director of the NSAA.

Band members can practice or perform at non-NSAA events such as parades or high school football games. But for competitive activities, the NSAA only allows students from accredited schools to compete against other students.

NSAA eligibility rules ensure that high school students keep up their grades and attend school regularly, or they cannot compete, Tenopir said.

Enforcing the very specific and rigid rules among homeschoolers would be impossible, he said.

“You are probably not going to hear a parent say, ‘I caught my kid smoking so please don’t let him play football,’” Tenopir said.

But some state senators would like to change both school policies and NSAA rules to include homeschool students.

Legislative bills addressing that issue have been introduced for the past few years, most recently by Sens. Phil Erdman and Mike Foley. But none of the bills have made it out of committee.

Ron Hasley said he’s “a constitution kind of guy,” who will pursue the issue, not only for his daughter but for other homeschool students.

“I pay taxes,” he said. “I’m asking for a service, and I’m not getting it. I hope what happens here sets precedence for the state.”

*Resolution passed by the NEA in 2004:

B-69. Home Schooling. The National Education Association believes that home schooling programs cannot provide the student with a comprehensive education experience. When home schooling occurs, students enrolled must meet all state requirements. Instruction should be by persons who are licensed by the appropriate state education licensure agency, and a curriculum approved by the state department of education should be used. The Association also believes that home-schooled students should not participate in any extracurricular activities in the public schools.

*More NEA resolutions here.

Your tax dollars at work.
 
David_Paul said:
%between%Your tax dollars at work.

What about curricular activities? I have private school students in my classes every year because the private school (Catholic) doesn’t provide a rigorous enough curriculum in mathematics.

If you want your child out of the public schools, then keep them out. It’s total hypocrisy to deny the school the funding for the individual student and then demand the services.
 
How are her parents denying govenment schools funds?

Goes both ways regarding a private school you know of which does not have adequate math courses. The NYC systems contracts out special needs education to Catholic school teachers.

The Catholics are not allowed in the government schools however. A so-called “separation of church and state” thing. Some kids had to walk across a street to a trailer converted into a classroom.
 
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Thekla:
If you want your child out of the public schools, then keep them out. It’s total hypocrisy to deny the school the funding for the individual student and then demand the services.
I dont know how it works in other states but here in NJ it is different. The property taxes (large percent goes towards schools) that I pay and my eldest has been in a Catholic School (private for the past 5 years and will now be in a Catholic High School once again private for 4 more years) I pay tuition to these schools the private ones that is, but my tax (property) money still goes to the local schools. There is no voucher program here (how I wish there was though) so I as a tax payer get penalized twice, paying school taxes for services that I never have used and having to pay tuition. I feel that if my son wants to use the service(s) of the local school district he should be allowed to …seeing as I am PAYING for it!!!
 
If you want your child out of the public schools, then keep them out. It’s total hypocrisy to deny the school the funding for the individual student and then demand the services.
News FLASH thelka, people pay for public schools whether they send their child or not, they still pay taxes which fund the system.
 
That’s terrible. In our Public schools, it’s extremely common for homeschoolers to opt in for band, art, computers, sports, etc. I’m not sure about the curricular classes though. I haven’t heard any homeschoolers opting in for them.
 
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Dandilion:
If you want your child out of the public schools, then keep them out. It’s total hypocrisy to deny the school the funding for the individual student and then demand the services.
News FLASH thelka, people pay for public schools whether they send their child or not, they still pay taxes which fund the system.
Perhaps the system needs to change?! I know here in the town that I live the schools all score average or below average but they are one of the towns that spend the highest $$$ per student. Go figure. Perhaps vouchers are the anwser…then the local schools will have to preform better?! But NJ has a VERY STRONG Teaechers Union and that will never happen (vouchers).
 
I constantly hear home-private schooling families bemoaning the fact that they pays taxes and receive no direct services. What about all the people who have no children? They pay taxes to support the education of other people’s offspring.
Perhaps all education should be privately funded…you want it…you pay.
Then listen to the moaning.

John
 
john1863…we didn’t hear those complaints before the unions took over education in America. The vast majority supported public education because it reflected their views. Today we have kids coming home saying all kinds of weird stuff and their parents having to tell them what they learned in government school is not true, is not moral and is not healthy.
 
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David_Paul:
How are her parents denying govenment schools funds?
Public school systems receive a dollar amount for each student from the state based on the enrollment. Students at private schools or home-schooled are not counted toward the enrollment therefore the public district does not receive the money for them. However, we must accept them into our schools in order to plug whatever gaps are missing in their private/home school.

As for NYC “contracting out” I’m assuming the public schools are paying the Catholic Schools.
 
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Dandilion:
If you want your child out of the public schools, then keep them out. It’s total hypocrisy to deny the school the funding for the individual student and then demand the services.
News FLASH thelka, people pay for public schools whether they send their child or not, they still pay taxes which fund the system.
Please go learn more about public school funding. Every state is different, but certain things are the same. How schools are funded can be a very complicated process; we could not pay for all the things we are required to do with property tax money alone. Look into state and federal funding and how it works and then get back to me.
 
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Thekla:
Public school systems receive a dollar amount for each student from the state based on the enrollment. Students at private schools or home-schooled are not counted toward the enrollment therefore the public district does not receive the money for them. However, we must accept them into our schools in order to plug whatever gaps are missing in their private/home school.

As for NYC “contracting out” I’m assuming the public schools are paying the Catholic Schools.
The only thing I see “missing” from the private and homeschool is the atheistic,planned parenthood and anti-Religious and relitavistic propaganda;) 😃
 
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Lisa4Catholics:
The only thing I see “missing” from the private and homeschool is the atheistic,planned parenthood and anti-Religious and relitavistic propaganda;) 😃
Thanks for insulting my job, but you forgot a math program, as well.
 
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Lisa4Catholics:
The only thing I see “missing” from the private and homeschool is the atheistic,planned parenthood and anti-Religious and relitavistic propaganda;) 😃
Don’t be too surprised, at the rate these catholic schools are going, soon they will be just as public schools. They already have many non-cvatholic teachers teaching religion etc to the catholic students, hence the teachers can teach whatever they want in religion if there is a weak principal and weak relativist pastor. Sad really. Whatever happened to a time when catholic parish schools etc were catholic?
 
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Thekla:
Thanks for insulting my job, but you forgot a math program, as well.
Did I say you did it?BTW I went to public schools:nope: And I had to pull mine out.To me it is more important for them to be able to be Catholic without being threatened and maligned by there teacher for their Religion:nope: Not to mention not being safe from other students because my oldest didn’t do drugs,a virgin and Catholic being torment about the scandal and threatened by gangs.:mad:
 
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misericordie:
Don’t be too surprised, at the rate these catholic schools are going, soon they will be just as public schools. They already have many non-cvatholic teachers teaching religion etc to the catholic students, hence the teachers can teach whatever they want in religion if there is a weak principal and weak relativist pastor. Sad really. Whatever happened to a time when catholic parish schools etc were catholic?
I home school my older boys I am not playing Russian Roulette with my children.
 
So what if home schoolers and private schools are defunding government education?

I don’t eat at Burger King. Am I defunding them?

The arrogance of government teachers knows no bounds. They really believe they are entitled to money.

Btw…the only way the GOP was able to get vouchers for poor kids in D.C. was to give the unions money for kids they were not teaching.

Every parent who could get their kid out, did. But a large part of the $$$$$$ stayed behind.

With government teachers it is always all about money. Nothing else. Money is what drives the NEA.

The NEA rakes in over $250 million a year tax free. The headquarters of the NEA in Washington D.C. is assessed at over $70 million but is exempt from property taxes.

Think of all the poor kids which could get a good education with the money the NEA spends on lobbyists, lawyers, political activists and 6 figure salaries for union officials.
 
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Thekla:
Please go learn more about public school funding. Every state is different, but certain things are the same. How schools are funded can be a very complicated process; we could not pay for all the things we are required to do with property tax money alone. Look into state and federal funding and how it works and then get back to me.
There is much in what you say. But I have seen in more than one district poor spending. Most districts that I have been involved with have way to many administrators and secretaries. Buildings have been built only to have people wonder where the children are to fill them. I have seen manipulation of classrooms to make it appear that there is overcrowding in order to have a new school. One district tore down all unused buildings, and they were good buildings, leaving a school that had a falling in roof in order to build a new school.
Thanks for insulting my job,

but you forgot a math program, as well.

You are a teacher? I lost a friend because I said I was sick of schools hiding sex education under the discuise of home ec. I didn’t know that was exactly what she was doing. I fought hard in my district for the schools to say exacltly what they were teaching. It took me twelve years but they no longer hide there program.
Being a teacher in public school is a tough job. If you are allowed to present your Christianity you are indeed fortunate. I have seen teachers removed because of this while the ones who brought in planned parenthood to there class are still there.

Will you please explain what you meant by
but you forgot a math program, as well.
 
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Lisa4Catholics:
Did I say you did it?BTW I went to public schools:nope: And I had to pull mine out.To me it is more important for them to be able to be Catholic without being threatened and maligned by there teacher for their Religion:nope: Not to mention not being safe from other students because my oldest didn’t do drugs,a virgin and Catholic being torment about the scandal and threatened by gangs.:mad:
I said my job. I went to Catholic Schools and work in the public schools.
 
Thekla the school is funded by taxpayer money, if a tax payer wants to utilize a service it offers they should be able to. As for your federal funding isn’t it something that it cost less per pupil at a Catholic school than public school?I am not surprised you work in the public school system.
 
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