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further clarification: your kids were being monitored by a physician, after getting the diagnosis. That is completely different. I assume you were told what to watch out for, how to care for your kids, etc. That’s responsible care.
It’s also completely different in that they had a completely different diagnosis from your nephew. And I’m an RN and feel more comfortable with taking a more “wait and see” approach before making an appt. with the doctor. 🙂

I also want to just add that we have since fired that less-than-competent pediatrician and found a wonderful family physician (who recommends Zicam). Thank goodness we’re in much better care now!
 
OK, a tummy bug isn’t influenza. Two extremely different things. I will say that when my son had a severe tummy bug, my pediatrician told me to stop breastfeeding him since he shouldn’t have “dairy”. He wouldn’t take pedialyte or *anything *else. He couldn’t keep down water or absolutely anything. When I did my own research I found breastmilk is medically considered a clear liquid and only cow’s milk is “dairy”. My breastfeeding him was what kept him out of the hospital for dehydration, praise God! In my case, the advice my son’s MD gave was neglect, incompetence, and nothing short of malpractice. If we followed her “expert” advice he would have landed in the hospital. And with the outrageous amount of hospital-acquired infections now days (what is it, something like 100,000 people die from them each year?) who knows how that would have ended up. Praise God for a mother’s intuition! 🙂

Maybe you should bring up your concerns with your sister. It couldn’t hurt if you phrase it tactfully. 👍
Home remedies for tummy bugs generally work OK.Breastfeeding certainly beats a hospital IV & all the cost & risks involved.Lime-water works on milder tummy upsets.You can make up your own electrolyte solution from pantry ingredients, too.
Back in the day we could go to the drugstore & get paregoric for more severe cases.You had to sign for it because it was narcotic but it worked great.In cases where a child is constantly vomiting, a prescription suppository works.
Home remedies can work fine on milder cases.Severe dehydration is dangerous & homeopathic remedies will do nothing to help.
 
Thanks for posting this thread!

My MIL has one of those little white boxes and is forever passing out the little white pills for stuff. I never really bought in to the effectiveness but wondered about the safety and felt bad for letting her feed the kids that stuff. Really helps to see it is harmless and probably not a battle I should bother to fight.
 
Sam, thanks for not taking it personally.

I find new things to despise about the medical/ pharmeceutical industries every year. I just wanted to restate that important message about being careful not to encourage people-- especially mothers-- not to skip seeing a doctor because somebody in a tie-dye shirt sold them a magic remedy. That’s it. I’m going to leave everybody to their polite discussion now.
 
Actually after talking to my mom, we think it may contain zinc (hence the name). So as I mentioned previously, I don’t know how strictly the Zicam company uses the label “Homeopathic”. I know the pills have a metallic taste to them. Maybe it’s got some homeopathic ingredients and some vitamins/herbs/minerals. Who knows? I don’t feel like researching it right now 😛
I looked at the active ingredients, but the only thing listed was “Zincum Gluconicum 2X”. It is unclear if the product actually contains any zinc or not, because no quantity is listed, just the mysterious “2X”.

What kind of legitimate medicine omits the quantities of its active ingredients from the label? Could it be because it doesn’t actually contain any zinc, or even worse, because they do not have adequate control over their manufacturing process to control the quantity?

I don’t think I would ever take this, because I wouldn’t even know what I’m putting in my body! If the medicine is effective , why not take a Zinc Gluconate product that actually lists its ingredients properly?
 
I’m not a homeopath but I do believe in homeopathy and its ability to heal. What about conditions like excema, migraine headaches, chronic cough, UTI, and other such conditions that cannot be cured with “mind over matter”?

Homeopathy is one of the oldest forms of healing. And I also believe in, and have witnessed the healing benefits of, chiropractic and craniosacral therapy. And I dress my girls in tie dye!
 
We used a homeopathic teething pain remedy for our first kid, when he started teething at 4 months and didn’t stop until all the teeth were in at 12 months. He teethed two at a time. I didn’t feel like pumping him full of Tylenol every night of his infancy, and his godmother recommended the Hyland’s brand of tablets, and we tried them.

For him, they worked. They did NOT work for his younger brother; however, that baby slept through the teething.

When my brother died and I was going through a lot of stress, I used Bach’s Rescue Remedy and it helped a lot. I don’t use it now, because my stress is manageable.

I tried the osillocinum (I think that’s it) for the flu, but I couldn’t tell if it did any good. If it helps some people, great.

I don’t think most people are going to be harmed by homeopathy. If it works for some people, great. I have a friend who goes to a chiropractor regularly and claims it helps her allergies. Maybe it does. Maybe it’s a placebo effect. My friend isn’t taking money from the grocery fund to pay her chiropractor, so her family isn’t suffering, so what’s the problem? Unless somebody is starving their kids or sneaking money from the mortgage budget to buy homeopathic remedies, and the remedies seem to work for them, why be troubled by it?

Medical and health treatments vary from person to person. What works for one person may not work for another. I have a friend who believes in fresh raw garlic to cure colds; I can’t stomach the stuff, so it wouldn’t work for me. 😉 Does that mean that garlic sellers are bad people? Nope.

Alternative health remedies are not evil. Unless you’re calling on the soul of a dead goat to come and heal your bursitis; then, well, you’re just asking for trouble. 😃
 
I’m not a homeopath but I do believe in homeopathy and its ability to heal. What about conditions like excema, migraine headaches, chronic cough, UTI, and other such conditions that cannot be cured with “mind over matter”?

Homeopathy is one of the oldest forms of healing. And I also believe in, and have witnessed the healing benefits of, chiropractic and craniosacral therapy. And I dress my girls in tie dye!
And I bet they look adorable! 👍 Peace, dude!
 
We used a homeopathic teething pain remedy for our first kid, when he started teething at 4 months and didn’t stop until all the teeth were in at 12 months. He teethed two at a time. I didn’t feel like pumping him full of Tylenol every night of his infancy, and his godmother recommended the Hyland’s brand of tablets, and we tried them.

For him, they worked. They did NOT work for his younger brother; however, that baby slept through the teething.

When my brother died and I was going through a lot of stress, I used Bach’s Rescue Remedy and it helped a lot. I don’t use it now, because my stress is manageable.

I tried the osillocinum (I think that’s it) for the flu, but I couldn’t tell if it did any good. If it helps some people, great.

I don’t think most people are going to be harmed by homeopathy. If it works for some people, great. I have a friend who goes to a chiropractor regularly and claims it helps her allergies. Maybe it does. Maybe it’s a placebo effect. My friend isn’t taking money from the grocery fund to pay her chiropractor, so her family isn’t suffering, so what’s the problem? Unless somebody is starving their kids or sneaking money from the mortgage budget to buy homeopathic remedies, and the remedies seem to work for them, why be troubled by it?

Medical and health treatments vary from person to person. What works for one person may not work for another. I have a friend who believes in fresh raw garlic to cure colds; I can’t stomach the stuff, so it wouldn’t work for me. 😉 Does that mean that garlic sellers are bad people? Nope.

Alternative health remedies are not evil. Unless you’re calling on the soul of a dead goat to come and heal your bursitis; then, well, you’re just asking for trouble. 😃
As one poster pointed out, homeopathic remedies can be dangerous if they are substituted for real medical care in serious illness.
I don’t think anyone here believes alternative health options, as in vitamins/herbs are necessarily “evil”, just that homeopathy is a hoax.
 
As one poster pointed out, homeopathic remedies can be dangerous if they are substituted for real medical care in serious illness.
I don’t think anyone here believes alternative health options, as in vitamins/herbs are necessarily “evil”, just that homeopathy is a hoax.
Of course you need real medical care for serious illnesses. I would think that’s a nobrainer. I don’t know anybody who uses homeopathic remedies (for colds and whatnot) who rejects traditional medicine. My friend who goes to the chiropractor for her allergies also uses colloidal silver to knock out colds and ear infections; but she will just as readily take her kid to the doctor for a suspicious rash that might be ringworm. 🤷

I think the people who would substitute homeopathy for a prescription when it’s needed would be the same people who would be calling on that dead goat’s soul. 🙂 So i’m not sure why you started this thread. Has somebody on here claimed that traditional medical care is never needed, that all they need are some herbs and powders from the health food store? Unlikely. Homeopathy is not traditional medicine, nor does it really claim to be. Otherwise you’d need prescriptions for it. Is it a hoax? Eh…I’m not ready to say that yes, it is. It doesn’t work for everyone, but then, not every antibiotic works for everyone! Not every cancer treatment works for everyone. My nephew had every cancer treatment known to man, but he still died of cancer. Does that mean chemotherapy and radiation are hoaxes? Nope. It just didn’t work for his case.
 
Of course you need real medical care for serious illnesses. I would think that’s a nobrainer. I don’t know anybody who uses homeopathic remedies (for colds and whatnot) who rejects traditional medicine. My friend who goes to the chiropractor for her allergies also uses colloidal silver to knock out colds and ear infections; but she will just as readily take her kid to the doctor for a suspicious rash that might be ringworm. 🤷

I think the people who would substitute homeopathy for a prescription when it’s needed would be the same people who would be calling on that dead goat’s soul. 🙂 So i’m not sure why you started this thread. Has somebody on here claimed that traditional medical care is never needed, that all they need are some herbs and powders from the health food store? Unlikely. Homeopathy is not traditional medicine, nor does it really claim to be. Otherwise you’d need prescriptions for it. Is it a hoax? Eh…I’m not ready to say that yes, it is. It doesn’t work for everyone, but then, not every antibiotic works for everyone! Not every cancer treatment works for everyone. My nephew had every cancer treatment known to man, but he still died of cancer. Does that mean chemotherapy and radiation are hoaxes? Nope. It just didn’t work for his case.
I think perhaps if you go back & read the earlier posts pointing out that homeopathic remedies only contain sugar & no active ingredients that might explain the reasoning here.
 
I think perhaps if you go back & read the earlier posts pointing out that homeopathic remedies only contain sugar & no active ingredients that might explain the reasoning here.
Odd, then, that the homeopathic teething remedy I used for my son worked. And i don’t think the placebo effect works on babies. We tried it, he slept. We stopped using it, he went back to screaming and crying from the teething pain.

There is much about the human body and how it works and reacts to different treatments that is still a mystery to us. Just accept that it works for some people.
 
Odd, then, that the homeopathic teething remedy I used for my son worked. And i don’t think the placebo effect works on babies. We tried it, he slept. We stopped using it, he went back to screaming and crying from the teething pain.

There is much about the human body and how it works and reacts to different treatments that is still a mystery to us. Just accept that it works for some people.
That’s a good point! 🙂 No, placebos don’t work on babies–you have to “know” that you’re getting some sort of cure or treatment. I agree whole-heartedly with you, if it works for you, then 👍 👍
 
Odd, then, that the homeopathic teething remedy I used for my son worked. And i don’t think the placebo effect works on babies. We tried it, he slept. We stopped using it, he went back to screaming and crying from the teething pain.

There is much about the human body and how it works and reacts to different treatments that is still a mystery to us. Just accept that it works for some people.
That’s a good point! 🙂 No, placebos don’t work on babies–you have to “know” that you’re getting some sort of cure or treatment. I agree whole-heartedly with you, if it works for you, then 👍 👍
I think this might come back to what are we calling homeopathic. I’ve seen two types of homeopathic teething remedies, one is a pink jell in a tube the other is some combination of those little while tablets my MIL is so fond of. If its the pink jell, maybe there is an actually something good in it.
 
I think this might come back to what are we calling homeopathic. I’ve seen two types of homeopathic teething remedies, one is a pink jell in a tube the other is some combination of those little while tablets my MIL is so fond of. If its the pink jell, maybe there is an actually something good in it.
The gel is actually an anesthetic gel, not homeopathic at all. Hylands teething tablets come in little white pill form. 🙂
 
The gel is actually an anesthetic gel, not homeopathic at all. Hylands teething tablets come in little white pill form. 🙂
I’ve seen one thats a homeophatic gel it was not the anesthetic gel because thats works for my kids and the homeophatic gel didn’t do a thing.
 
My sister works for a chiropractor/homeopathic clinic. She says that the doctor frequently gives something called “lasers” to his patients… (as a remedy, for illness). I asked her if they were an injection of some sort… and she said… “not exactly”. I still don’t understand what a “laser” is. He apparently also “lasers” bottles of liquid… with the supposed intention of injecting some sort of “energy” through the glass and into the liquid. 🤷 These are dispensed to patients, as remedies… for various illness’ and conditions. The prices of these remedies are astronomically high.

It sounds a little like hocus pocus or “New Age” to me. But I’m open to correction, from anyone who works in the industry. Just because I don’t understand it… doesn’t mean it’s not true.

Any thoughts?
 
I’ve seen one thats a homeophatic gel it was not the anesthetic gel because thats works for my kids and the homeophatic gel didn’t do a thing.
Oops, sorry! I’ve never seen any teething gel on the market around here other than the anesthetic types.
 
Lemme clarify if I may.

X Scale C Scale Ratio Note
1X — 1:10 described as low potency
2X 1C 1:100 called higher potency than 1X by homeopaths
6X 3C 10-6
8X 4C 10-8 allowable concentration of arsenic in US drinking water[72]
12X 6C 10-12
24X 12C 10-24 Has a 60% probability of containing one molecule of original material if one mole of the original substance was used.

So, in a 2x formula it’s a 1:100 ratio. ONE PART of the active ingredient per 100 of water, lactose, whatever the base is.

If you take vitamins you are taking zinc at a much higher concentration than these remedies. Would anyone bother taking one one hundredth of a vitamin?

Look, I’m not an un-crunchy person:p. I do myself partake of herbal and many home remedies. I do not run to the medicine cabinet at the first sign of illness. I am sympathetic to the idea of being as ‘natural’ as possible and doing no harm.

here is something to consider
Homeopathy maintains that the vital force has the ability to react and adapt to internal and external causes, which homeopaths refer to as the “law of susceptibility”. The law of susceptibility states that a negative state of mind can attract hypothetical disease entities called “miasms” to invade the body and produce symptoms of diseases.[37] However, Hahnemann rejected the notion of a disease as a separate thing or invading entity[57] and insisted that it was always part of the “living whole”.
Would he have rejected the microscope? And the germ theory of disease, microbiology and chemistry. Hmmmm. We know better now because we can SEE that his disease theories were wrong.

And when his patients had diseases that he couldn’t ‘cure’ he came up with another explanation for it, basically saying that here was something inherently wrong with the persons ‘life force’
Hahnemann found as early as 1816 that the patients he treated through homeopathy still suffered from chronic diseases that he was unable to cure.[59] In 1828, he introduced the concept of miasms, which he regarded as underlying causes for many known diseases.[60] A miasm is often defined by homeopaths as an imputed “peculiar morbid derangement of [the] vital force”.[61] Hahnemann associated each miasm with specific diseases, with each miasm seen as the root cause of several diseases. According to Hahnemann, initial exposure to miasms causes local symptoms, such as skin or venereal diseases, but if these symptoms are suppressed by medication, the cause goes deeper and begins to manifest itself as diseases of the internal organs.[62] Homeopathy maintains that treating diseases by directly opposing their symptoms, as is sometimes done in conventional medicine, is ineffective because all “disease can generally be traced to some latent, deep-seated, underlying chronic, or inherited tendency”.[63] The underlying imputed miasm still remains, and deep-seated ailments can only be corrected by removing the deeper disturbance of the vital force.[64]
Thing is, homeopathy is not that old at all. It’s not akin to ancient healing practices or potent herbal tinctures, it’s a vitalist theory that some dude came up with in the 1700’s. From the beginning, his theories were rejected and criticized. His idea was that if ingesting a certain bark produced the same symptoms as malaria, then that bark in a very diluted form would cure malaria.
High dilutions
However, homeopathic remedies are usually diluted to the point where there are no molecules from the original solution left in a dose of the final remedy.[113] Since even the longest-lived noncovalent structures in liquid water at room temperature are only stable for a few picoseconds,[119] critics have concluded that any effect that might have been present from the original substance can no longer exist.[120] Furthermore, since water will have been in contact with millions of different substances throughout its history, critics point out that any glass of water is therefore an extreme dilution of almost any conceivable substance, and so by drinking water one would, according to homeopathic principles, receive treatment for every imaginable condition.[121]
Practitioners of homeopathy contend that higher dilutions (fewer potential molecules in each dose) result in stronger medicinal effects. This idea is inconsistent with the observed dose-response relationships of conventional drugs, where the effects are dependent on the concentration of the active ingredient in the body.[114] This dose-response relationship has been confirmed in multitudinous experiments on organisms as diverse as nematodes,[122] rats,[123] and humans.[124]
Physicist Robert L. Park, former executive director of the American Physical Society, has noted that
“ since the least amount of a substance in a solution is one molecule, a 30C solution would have to have at least one molecule of the original substance dissolved in a minimum of 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 molecules of water. This would require a container more than 30,000,000,000 times the size of the Earth.[125] ”
Park has also noted that “to expect to get even one molecule of the ‘medicinal’ substance allegedly present in 30X pills, it would be necessary to take some two billion of them, which would total about a thousand tons of lactose plus whatever impurities the lactose contained”. The laws of chemistry state that there is a limit to the dilution that can be made without losing the original substance altogether.[17] This limit, which is related to Avogadro’s number, is roughly equal to homeopathic potencies of 12C or 24X (1 part in 1024).[77][115][126]
I have a headache now…wonder if Hanneman can help me?:p:D
 
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