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Asinner
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Not if you read the rest of the sentence.
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pnewton
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You do know, I would assume, the topic of this thread. At a homeless shelter, they have bathroom facilities. A shelter is something they erect to prevent such behavior, since businesses are not inclined to allow these poor to use their facilities.
That quote has been echoing through my mind this whole thread.
What concerns me is that the person being rejected is Jesus, according to Matthew 25. He is being sold for 30 pieces of silver again, as reflected in the property value of those who perceive their real estate as an investment. I see this issue as a no-brainer for any Christian. I will assume the words of Christ the King will hold sway and be permitted on this forum.
Tis_Bearself
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As Little Lady noted, many shelters are only open after a certain hour in the evening, and residents need to be out by a certain hour in the morning. The homeless need to spend their days someplace else. During those hours, they use whatever public facilities are available, or they use the street.
The handful of shelters that allow people (such as families with children) to spend time there during the day usually have some kind of temporary time limit, after which the person needs to go elsewhere.
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Theo520
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maybe both have a place, one for people off drugs and one for those still in addiction.
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1Lord1Faith
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The issue isn’t where to house people who need treatment. That issue was solved centuries ago. The problem is that the institutions of the twentieth century have all been shut down, and the people who need the most help were basically put out on the streets. Pretty much every solution to the problem of what to do with them since the 1970’s has been a failure. The “institutional” model is coming back though it’s implementation is slow. Governments do not want to repeat the failures of the earlier institutions that were all closed down.
blackforest
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Daytime shelters are filling the void here. I just wish that more cities had them. In the meantime, public libraries have heat, fresh water, and restrooms.
It sounds like you have a very poor understanding of homelessness and its causes.
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TheLittleLady
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Amen!!
I’d ask @CorydonMundi , are you aware that there are people who are literally too poor to work?
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Maelstrom1
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I know of a number of people who work but sleep in their cars because of the very high price of housing. Look at Silicon Valley and the situation involving RVs. Years ago there were boarding houses. I haven’t seen nor heard of one in decades. There simply isn’t enough affordable housing. And drug use sort of isn’t a choice as we are seeing with the opiod crisis and the number of “respectable” people who are addicted. Problems are 1) mental illness 2) hands off societal attitude 3) increasing drug usage and acceptability as seen in marijuana laws 4) lack of affordable housing 5) boom and bust cycles of opportunity in communities 6) housing price increases 7) earnings are flat 8) NIMBY as in I’m doing very well and don’t care as long as my investments are doing well. In other words, rats on a sinking ship if you ask me.
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Maelstrom1
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I believe that people fall into drug use partially because they have no hope. The general view of the future of the world on many levels and issues is not positive so…people escape. Sad, so very very sad.
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Dr_Meinheimer
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That’s called a goal, not a solution. A good goal, mind you.
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dochawk
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When I was looking for another apartment in law school, I had no idea what “section 8 welcome” meant.
After visiting a couple that said that, still not knowing what it meant, it was clear that it meant that I didn’t want to live there . . .
And then as an attorney, I encountered the, err, “aftereffects” of folks with a property or two that participated in government housing programs.
I don’t think that “abject failure” is a strong enough term for these programs.
What should or can replace them is another issue that I’d rather not mix with this, but when I was renting out my own home (to which I expected to return), I absolutely refused to involve myself with any government program (yet, got destroyed anyway, when a renter decided to milk the system. {I’m well over $50k out of pocket for materials and my family’s transportation costs . . .}).
{we’re now at 14.5 years after returning, and still don’t have all the damages repaired . . .}
How about, “the amount of defecation on the sidewalk increases with the number of homeless in the area”—an objective, testable statement.
“Just try living in dochawk’s neighborhood, and see how quickly you get tired of nighttime fights and discarded hypodermic needles”
No, I’m not pleased . . .
Sympathy and a desire to help doesn’t change the reality of living in such an area.
My older children could play in the front yard with modest supervision; my youngest are almost 22 and can’t safely go around the corner to the convenience store alone . . .
It’s not a simple or trivial issue.
Those have run into the problem that if there isn’t a time limit, they become shelters that others can;'t use as restrooms . . . automated systems exist (I’e seen them in San Jose), but they’re stunningly expensive . . .
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LeafByNiggle
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It can if that desire is strong enough.
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dochawk
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???
Are you saying that my desire can break their addiction? Improve the hygiene? Make my daughter’s safe from those drunk or high sleeping a couple of feet from the sidewalk 150 feet from my house/.
Or perhaps that I can buy them houses?
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Viki63
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I think we need to vote in people with sensible solutions.
I live in Seattle, where people pee and poop downtown in front of businesses. Thieves roam the neighborhoods, picking up packages left on doorsteps by FedEx and Amazon. Our car has been rifled through several times.
Other towns have implemented laws that seem to be helping; you can either get help for addiction or go to jail. They are building some increased housing. Section 8 works okay, except for a 2 to 5 year waiting list.
there are solutions, but governments have to have some courage to make them happen, and that doesn’t seem very common.
I live in Seattle, where people pee and poop downtown in front of businesses. Thieves roam the neighborhoods, picking up packages left on doorsteps by FedEx and Amazon. Our car has been rifled through several times.
Other towns have implemented laws that seem to be helping; you can either get help for addiction or go to jail. They are building some increased housing. Section 8 works okay, except for a 2 to 5 year waiting list.
there are solutions, but governments have to have some courage to make them happen, and that doesn’t seem very common.
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Bithynian
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I feel that this must be a local phenomenon. In my decade as a social worker amongst Sydney’s homeless community, I’ve never heard of or witnessed public defecation being associated with the homeless. I think they’d be aghast at the suggestion of doing so.
Most public defecation/urination in Sydney tends to be associated - funnily enough - with young backpackers (mostly European and American), often leaving behind trails of toilet paper to decorate our landscape.
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Peeps
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I believe people often fall into drug use because they start young with recreational use, assuming that they can stop anytime they like. Some can stop, but many people can’t. Then they’re trapped–they just can’t stop.
It’s possible for some people to work and earn a living even if they are using, although nowadays, most companies do drug screenings. But if someone is working in sales, or doing independent contracting, or music/entertainment, etc.–they can probably get away with moderate drug use.
But most jobs demand an entire person–body, mind, emotions, etc. An addict finds it very hard to meet the requirements of their job.
Even a smoker nowadays has a hard time justifying smoke breaks–they end up using their regular breaks to smoke and so miss out out being with the rest of the workgroup (while everyone sits in silence and plays with their phone), and they often don’t have time to have a snack or even coffee/other drinks that they may need to keep up energy. My hospital does not allow smoking on the campus or even in your own parked car, so smokers are supposed to leave the campus–several blocks away! (Most cheat and have found places to hide.)
I know several smokers who have trained themselves to not smoke during the 8-10 hours that they are at work.
Anyway, it’s tough to work and be addicted. Plus it costs a lot, and depending on the addiction, exposes the user to criminal activities and people.
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Peeps
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This sounds like the “Think Method” from The Music Man–a sweet but totally fictitious story.
LearByNiggle, I’m sure you know that it’s not just desire, but practical actions and usually lots of money and time.
Once again, I’m going to post a link to a marvelous one-woman effort to help the homeless in Northern Illinois. Please read it and note the sheer WORK that Miss Carly puts into her neighborhood outreach. BTW, an effort by neighbors in her area to stop her program was debated for several weeks in the city’s council, and eventually, the council voted (with much public support from all walks of people, both liberal and conservative) to allow Miss Carly to continue her good work.
Recently this lady had a column published in which she described helping an addicted man who finally, after months of accepting her daily meals, asked her to take him to a rehab center. She ended up spending 20 straight hours with this man working through the bureaucracy of addiction programs!
LeafByNiggle, I am ashamed to admit that I would not do this. I do spend about three hours a week with my friend who lives in a mental health facility. And on my day off earlier in the week, I spent about six hours with my parents-in-law at the doctor’s office and taking them out to eat afterwards (they need a LOT of help in restaurants).
But I simply don’t have the fortitude or the street smarts to help the homeless the way Miss Carly does.
Anyway, here’s the link–I think you’ll love it and I hope you and others who read it will consider sending support money to Miss Carly. : https://www.misscarlys.org/
For lack of a more accurate term, that is simply bizarre.
I am reminded of people thinking just their mere thought is sufficient to cause change.
They usually spend their lives doing nothing more.
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Onthink! Onthink! Onthink!
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Zaccheus
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That is a very large assumption and blatant stereotyping.
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