Homosexual and women priests

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Cheshangle said:
What is the teaching of your church about ordaining (non-practicing) homosexuals?
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From the Congregation for Catholic Education document issued 11/4/05:
In the light of such teaching, this Dicastery, in accord with the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, believes it necessary to state clearly that the Church, while profoundly respecting the persons in question[9], cannot admit to the seminary or to holy orders those who practise homosexuality, present deep-seated homosexual tendencies or support the so-called "gay culture”
vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccatheduc/documents/rc_con_ccatheduc_doc_20051104_istruzione_en.html
Pope Benedict XVI approved the document and ordered its publication
 
estesbob said:
. I am not sure what you mean by hard-line Catholic Cardinal? Either one adheres to the teachings of the Church, or they do not. aA far as the “literalist” Vicar not wanting to come back to the Catholic Church because he believes it’s teachings are not biblical it is the assertion that one’s personal interpretation of Scripture has more authority than the Church that led to the Anglican split from the One True church in the first place. That and a desire by Henry to marry his mistress, that is.
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Well, I wouldn’t have regarded Cardinal Hume as “hard line”.
 
Nita said:
From the Congregation for Catholic Education document issued 11/4/05:
In the light of such teaching, this Dicastery, in accord with the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, believes it necessary to state clearly that the Church, while profoundly respecting the persons in question[9], cannot admit to the seminary or to holy orders those who practise homosexuality, present deep-seated homosexual tendencies or support the so-called "gay culture”
vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccatheduc/documents/rc_con_ccatheduc_doc_20051104_istruzione_en.html
Pope Benedict XVI approved the document and ordered its publication
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Yes, that’s what I thought was the case, and it seems quite sensible.It does not seem to rule out all gay people, does it?
 
estesbob said:
no. We cannot definitively say that anybody goes to hell. . Although all salvation is through the Catholic Church non-Catholics can indeed be saved through what we define as invincible ignorance.
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Do I take it that I (and my vicar) have “invincible ignorance”?
 
jsaldar said:
Definitely not to be allowed. That is one of the great things about the Catholic church, it will no give in to the present imorality of society.The Catholic Church stands for the truth.
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Is my Vicar a symptom and/or example of “the present immorality of society”?

All the women vicars in both England and Ireland I’ve met have said to me that they have been treated in a most friendly and courteous way by the local RC priests, and I know at least four who were invited to preach at the neighbouring RC church shortly after being installed as vicar. Our Rector in Ireland went to a Cistercian retreat for two weeks every year to “recharge her batteries” and never came across any hostility.
 
Cheshangle said:
Is my vicar in a state of mortal sin? (She’s a priest). Does that mean she’ll definitely go to hell when she dies?
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She’s an Anglican, therefore not a priest by the standards of the Catholic Church. Didn’t think that needed clarifying.

Anglicans can do as they see fit, it’s no bother to me. The Catholic Church has different rules.
 
estesbob said:
Agreed. The more people we can get the return of the One True Church, the better. It is nice that so many mainstream Protestant denominations are helping facilitate this.
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Well, a trickle have moved to your church, but as far as I’m concerned I’m already a member of the One True Church (as, of course, are you) so there’s no need for me to move.
 
Cheshangle said:
Yes, that’s what I thought was the case, and it seems quite sensible.It does not seem to rule out all gay people, does it?
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If you read the document you’ll see where it clarifies what would not be considered “deep seated” - and how they are to be handled (underlining mine).
Different, however, would be the case in which one were dealing with homosexual tendencies that were only the expression of a transitory problem - for example, that of an adolescence not yet superseded. Nevertheless, such tendencies must be clearly overcome at least three years before ordination to the diaconate.
 
May I ask why woman are barred from ordination in the Catholic Church? Is it due to scripture, or is it simply tradition?

I’m certainly not trying to stir the pot; I sincerely would like to be educated.
 
There ia absolutely NO BAR TO A HOMOSEXUAL MAN BECOMING A PRIEST.

That is the law of the church, and regardless of whether some Catholics approve or not, it is in fact the law.

BUT, just as a heterosexual male is not allowed to engage in sexual intercourse with a woman, a homosexual priest is not allowed to engage in homosexual activity with another male. In either case, such sexual activity is a Mortal Sin.

There is absolutely NO VALIDITY to the concept that a homosexual Priests moral advice is “suspect”. That is simply not true at all, and anyone spreading such ideas is acting against the best interests of the church and they are spreading lies.

There are currently a number of homosexual Priests, homosexual Bishops, and there have always been some. That is true in the Roman Catholic Church, the Eastern Catholic Churches, the Orthodox Churches, and in all churches in this world.

It is about time that people put their illogical prejudices aside, and pray for some forgiveness.
 
The_Old_Medic said:
There ia absolutely NO BAR TO A HOMOSEXUAL MAN BECOMING A PRIEST.

That is the law of the church, and regardless of whether some Catholics approve or not, it is in fact the law.

BUT, just as a heterosexual male is not allowed to engage in sexual intercourse with a woman, a homosexual priest is not allowed to engage in homosexual activity with another male. In either case, such sexual activity is a Mortal Sin.

There is absolutely NO VALIDITY to the concept that a homosexual Priests moral advice is “suspect”. That is simply not true at all, and anyone spreading such ideas is acting against the best interests of the church and they are spreading lies.

There are currently a number of homosexual Priests, homosexual Bishops, and there have always been some. That is true in the Roman Catholic Church, the Eastern Catholic Churches, the Orthodox Churches, and in all churches in this world.

It is about time that people put their illogical prejudices aside, and pray for some forgiveness.
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estesbob said:
. I can relate how it was “overcome” in my community. . The local Anglican Catholic Church left the Anglican Church and became part of our diocese.
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I don’t propose to participate in this thread, beyond making my customary observation (it being a fine opportunity to do so) as to the variety of folks who are Anglicans, of one sort or another.

Including those like me, who affirm that Ordinatio Sacerdotalis got it quite correct.

So, in thinking of Anglicans, and the topic, also think of that.

I thank you.

GKC

Anglicanus-Catholicus
 
The_Old_Medic said:
There ia absolutely NO BAR TO A HOMOSEXUAL MAN BECOMING A PRIEST.

That is the law of the church, and regardless of whether some Catholics approve or not, it is in fact the law.

BUT, just as a heterosexual male is not allowed to engage in sexual intercourse with a woman, a homosexual priest is not allowed to engage in homosexual activity with another male. In either case, such sexual activity is a Mortal Sin.

There is absolutely NO VALIDITY to the concept that a homosexual Priests moral advice is “suspect”. That is simply not true at all, and anyone spreading such ideas is acting against the best interests of the church and they are spreading lies.

There are currently a number of homosexual Priests, homosexual Bishops, and there have always been some. That is true in the Roman Catholic Church, the Eastern Catholic Churches, the Orthodox Churches, and in all churches in this world.

It is about time that people put their illogical prejudices aside, and pray for some forgiveness.
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This is very true. We are taught that homosexuals should remain celibate (which of course then does not bar them from being Ordained). There’s nothing inherently wrong with them; they simply have a harder cross to bear because they have no type of sexual relations which aren’t sinful (short of marrying and having relations with a member of the opposite sex, of course, but the assumption is that a homosexual has no attraction at all for the opposite sex), so we should not demonize homosexuals because of their differences, nor should we judge them when they stumble and do have sexual relations with members of the same sex: we all have far too many sins of our own to concentrate on instead of scrutinizing the lives of others.
 
The_Old_Medic said:
There ia absolutely NO BAR TO A HOMOSEXUAL MAN BECOMING A PRIEST.

That is the law of the church, and regardless of whether some Catholics approve or not, it is in fact the law.

BUT, just as a heterosexual male is not allowed to engage in sexual intercourse with a woman, a homosexual priest is not allowed to engage in homosexual activity with another male. In either case, such sexual activity is a Mortal Sin.

There is absolutely NO VALIDITY to the concept that a homosexual Priests moral advice is “suspect”. That is simply not true at all, and anyone spreading such ideas is acting against the best interests of the church and they are spreading lies.

There are currently a number of homosexual Priests, homosexual Bishops, and there have always been some. That is true in the Roman Catholic Church, the Eastern Catholic Churches, the Orthodox Churches, and in all churches in this world.

It is about time that people put their illogical prejudices aside, and pray for some forgiveness.
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Thank you, OM, and very well stated.

The posts to this thread by poster Fink are among the most vicious and hate-filled that I have ever encountered on these forums.

Homosexuality is mentioned so rarely in scripture that one could count the instances on one’s fingers and have enough fingers left over to count one’s change or make a phone call simultaneously.

It’s not mentioned by Jesus Christ at all. He certainly condemns carnality in general, but that applies ‘across the board’.

By contrast, the virtue of charity is one of scripture’s central themes, with thousands, perhaps ten of thousands, of allusions and examples.

I will follow the teachings of Christ and leave the judgment of one’s sexual orientation in the hands of an all-loving and all-merciful God.
 
The_Old_Medic said:
There ia absolutely NO BAR TO A HOMOSEXUAL MAN BECOMING A PRIEST.

That is the law of the church, and regardless of whether some Catholics approve or not, it is in fact the law.

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You are wrong.

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccatheduc/documents/rc_con_ccatheduc_doc_20051104_istruzione_en.html

"Instruction
Concerning the Criteria for the Discernment of Vocations
with regard to Persons with Homosexual Tendencies
in view of their Admission to the Seminary and to Holy Orders "

Pope Benedict XVI approved this Instruction and ordered its publication.
 
beeliner said:
Thank you, OM, and very well stated.

The posts to this thread by poster Fink are among the most vicious and hate-filled that I have ever encountered on these forums.

Homosexuality is mentioned so rarely in scripture that one could count the instances on one’s fingers and have enough fingers left over to count one’s change or make a phone call simultaneously.

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After clearly stating it is an abomination there is really not a whole lot else that needs to be said, is there?
 
estesbob said:
After clearly stating it is an abomination there is really not a whole lot else that needs to be said, is there?
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I certainly hope you don’t eat shellfish, shave your beard or, while none of my business, ever laid with a woman who was having her period. I’m just saying…
 
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