Who have I ignored?My ironic quote was aimed at the OP in particular, and at his (?) incessant crusade to mythbust “the mythical homosexual person”. Yet whenever an actual homosexual CAF user emerges in such a thread with a testimony, OP ignores us.
Three CAF users - and that’s only within my recollection, there may have been more - have outright told you something along the lines of “Yes, I have a substantive reason to believe that homosexual people exist. It is called a mirror.”Who have I ignored?
Do you have some substantive reason to believe anyone on CAF has the username jjr9? I don’t believe anyone on CAF uses this login, this means nobody does. I assure you there is no such user as jjr9 on CAF. Why would anyone state that someone called jjr9 is on CAF, which is inherently false?Do you have some substantive reason to believe anyone has an exclusive SSA.
Can you see how this is a problem for someone who claims to be Catholic?The issue here is whether the Magisterium is presenting what is false to be true in claiming
anyone has an exclusive SSA.
Neither do your disordered temptations. Yet you have them. You are a sinner, correct?I can assure you your SSA does not come from the Lord.
Ignoring and not accepting at face value are not the same. My concern here is not individuals struggles I do notThree CAF users - and that’s only within my recollection, there may have been more - have outright told you something along the lines of “Yes, I have a substantive reason to believe that homosexual people exist. It is called a mirror.”
Once that happens, you stop replying to these people’s posts. This gives a whiff of trolling as opposed to sincere truthseeking.
After 2000 years the current members of the Magisterium have revelation that the mythical “homosexual person”Can you see how this is a problem for someone who claims to be Catholic?
This ^^^^ is the problem, not the definitions of words. If you truly believe the Magisterium is teaching error, you should consider whether or not Catholicism is for you. I’m not encouraging you to leave the Church. I’m encouraging you to follow your conscience, AFTER forming it well.
If one of our RCIA candidates had this problem, we would ask them to consider if they are ready to make promises to God and the Church which they don’t fully hold.
““I believe and profess all that the holy Catholic Church believes, teaches, and proclaims to be revealed by God.””
You should ask yourself if you truly believe this.
Neither do your disordered temptations. Yet you have them. You are a sinner, correct?
IF you consider yourself to be a sinner, are you also a person?
Can we call you a sinful person? (as many saints have called themselves)
Does your sinfulness come from the Lord?
No, yet you have it, and you are a person.
Perhaps you can see the problem.
butMy concern here is the Magisterium encouraging
people to believe they are something that doesn’t exist the “homosexual person”.
I doubt that we can find common ground, given that you exist, and I don’t.I would be happy to seek common ground on my concern if you would like.
1). You never answered my question regarding whether or not you like chocolate milk.After 2000 years the current members of the Magisterium have revelation that the mythical “homosexual person”
is real and provide no coherent reason why. Perhaps you can see a problem with this and an Apostolic Faith.
God bless
Perhaps you can see that Catholicism asks for our bona fides, not the idolatry of our own ideas.After 2000 years the current members of the Magisterium have revelation that the mythical “homosexual person”
is real and provide no coherent reason why. Perhaps you can see a problem with this and an Apostolic Faith.
God bless
I don’t claim that you don’t exist I don’t believe anyone has an exclusive SSA. We differ in viewbut
I doubt that we can find common ground, given that you exist, and I don’t.
I don’t claim that you don’t exist
Mutually exclusive statements. And you know it.I don’t believe anyone has an exclusive SSA
No, we can’t. And you know it.Can we agree on this?
I have repeatedly posted …and these have been repeatedly skipped over.Who have I ignored?
Millions of people who tell us that this is their experience = “no evidence”? Is that your position?If someone were “wired” this way or this were a “disability” do you think there would be no evidence of this?
You have ignored all my posts for a very long time. But I understand why.Who have I ignored?
CCC 2357:I have repeatedly posted …and these have been repeatedly skipped over.
In the beginning you responded but then later just skipped my posts that clearly explain that your misreading what the Church is saying and making and incorrect claim.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=14382371&postcount=214
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=14386160&postcount=260
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=14382406&postcount=216
Among others…
Please take time to consider that your incorrect in your reading of what the Church is saying…
Again ignoring posts?CCC 2357:
“Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or
predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex.”
What do you believe the Magisterium is saying here?
I believe the Magisterium is saying some experience an exclusive SSA. I believe the statement is false.
God bless
I explained this to you many times too. You ignore me also. You are very anxious not to recognize any interpretation but you own. This makes me think your agenda may not be entirely good.CCC 2357:
“Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or
predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex.”
What do you believe the Magisterium is saying here?
I explained this to you many times too. You ignore me also. You are very anxious not to recognize any interpretation but you own.
Perhaps there is something to the question of a troll.I hope people finally see that you’ve been trolling us all along, and save their energy and time for productive discussions.
You believe that statement is false. Is there a chance your belief could be wrong?CCC 2357:
“Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or
predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex.”
What do you believe the Magisterium is saying here?
I believe the Magisterium is saying some experience an exclusive SSA. I believe the statement is false.
God bless
CCC 2357:Again you are reading into the text.
The claim exists only in your mind.
Your PUTTING a meaning into the text that is not there.
Please let it go …it is a phantom.
What you say here is not clear for me.The Church is not Teaching about questions or matters of the empirical sciences here.
The Church is teaching about - what? Moral life.
About the 6th Commandment. About LIFE IN CHRIST (title of the whole section).
The Catechism is covering all the possibilities.
If person D does not *experience *any other attraction that to their same gender - what are they do do? Follow what the Church Teaches. It applies to them.
If person A *experiences *some attraction to their own gender and some attraction to the opposite gender - what are they to do? Follow what the Church Teaches. It applies to them.
Or to put it differently - either person “says” they do not or do…it does not matter here.
A key word there in the CCC is “experience”.
*
No one can say “hey it does not apply to me cause I only experience SSA” or “I experience both…” The teachings regarding such apply to all those who experience such.*
One cannot debate with a person about what he personally “experiences”.
The point of the discussion in the Catechism is* the morality and the call to virtue*. That applies to them all (and to us all too) no matter what a person may say they experience.
The Church is not mistaken. Your difficulty is that your taking your personal subjective framing of things and investing meaning in the use of a phrase -one that has been used now for many years by the Church that is mistaken here. That is not being asserted.
Like taking Sacred Scripture where Jesus says if your eye causes you to sin -pluck it out and protesting that he is telling others to mutilate themselves…
One must disabuse oneself of that view by referring to the Church and finding that is not what is meant.
The Teachings of the Church - like those of Scripture must be understood in the way they are intended. What is actually being asserted. Or not.
Your difficulty is your importing something into the text that is not there. Reading into it.
The Church is teaching there about morality - not questions of empirical science…about this or that evidence or theory.
Persons stated experience -does not change the morality and the call to virtue.
In effect your still ignoring the posts. Not only that post but the other two and others.CCC 2357:
“Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or
predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex.”
What the Magisterium says here is clear, unambiguous and false.
What you say here is not clear for me.
CCC 2357:
“Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or
predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex.”
What do you believe the Magisterium is saying here? Don’t answer if you don’t want to.
I believe the Magisterium is saying some experience an exclusive SSA. I believe the statement is false.
God bless