It is not the homosexually-inclined priest who is at risk of abusing: almost all gay priests lead healthy celibate lives. The ones who are most at risk of abusing are emotionally stunted men whose psychosexual development has gone awry.
There. “Possibly”. At least, that’s out in the open for consideration.Are they homosexual? Possibly – but not healthy ones.
This “let’s pity the poor, powerless, perpetually victimized homosexuals” is a mantra that just will not sell any longer. The homosexual influence in both culture and politics is greatly disproportiate to their numbers. The gay political lobby is so powerful that it forced the President of the United States, at a time when prudence demanded he lean to the center, to swear a public vow of support for the entire homosexual agenda. There is tremendous power and influence exerted by homosexuals within the media as well. This is a bloc which must be highly scrutinuzed in this attack on the Church. It must not be misrepresented as something it isn’t just out of the fear of sounding politically incorrect.There are a lot of people screaming that the Church needs to face the truth. That is apparently easier to say than to do.
These priests are the only gay men on the planet that it is safe to hate, or so it seems.
Mind reader.That reality must change, and it might take Catholic activism to accomplish the job. It is a new age we are living in, where everything is turned on its end, We would be wise to keep our equilibrium.
I concurThis “let’s pity the poor, powerless, perpetually victimized homosexuals” is a mantra that just will not sell any longer. The homosexual influence in both culture and politics is greatly disproportiate to their numbers. The gay political lobby is so powerful that it forced the President of the United States, at a time when prudence demanded he lean to the center, to swear a public vow of support for the entire homosexual agenda. There is tremendous power and influence exerted by homosexuals within the media as well. This is a bloc which must be highly scrutinuzed in this attack on the Church. It must not be misrepresented as something it isn’t just out of the fear of sounding politically incorrect.
And as far as hatred goes, one need only research the many published statements made in the aftermath of the state by state (mostly) rejection of gay marriage ammendments. The vehemence of the rage and cries for retribution are nothing short of incendiary, such as, “We need to burn down all the f***g churches…then let’s tax the charred remains”, and this, “Someone needs to burn down the Mormon Temple in L.A…I mean really DO IT!..Mormons and Catholics better watch their backs…I’m serious.” Do the research, see how organized homosexuality has targeted The Catholic Church and the Mormons for reprisals due to the intransigence of their stands on gay issues. Read it in THEIR words. It is all out there, stated as boldly as the slanderous headlines we now see every day. Do the research, it is worth it.
When a group vows in public to get revenge on another group, and does it with impunity, is it right to classify the aggressor in that instance as a “victim”? I think not. If a group of people make statements that threaten another group, in public, on the record, are those threats to be taken seriously? Absolutely.
Actually, I think that the Roman Catholic Church is one of the last things left that can be skewered and railed against, openly and savagely, and with impunity. That reality must change, and it might take Catholic activism to accomplish the job. It is a new age we are living in, where everything is turned on its end, We would be wise to keep our equilibrium.
We have fallen down the rabbit hole.We are Alice at the Mad Hatter’s Tea Party.I love it how some deny that men and boys are the same sex. “It can’t be homosexual!!!” is their mantra.
Your question has been answered in many other posts.Why do you thread jump with the exactly the same question?Well, if any gay priest puts children (at least, male ones) at risk, why doesn’t the Vatican laicize all homosexual priests and bishops, or at least remove them from parish ministry?
Well, this topic has come up on several threads. If the answer is “because being gay in and of itself doesn’t make a priest a threat to children” then what we have is NOT a homosexual problem.Your question has been answered in many other posts.Why go you thread jump with the exact same question?
Some of the problem was caused by male priests abusing boys, so get rid of all homosexual priests.The truth is coming out and hurting - look at the reaction to this article
guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2010/apr/14/religion-bertone-homosexuality-priests
Because ( I will pay for this thought) if they did that, how many priests would we have left? Excuse my ignorance, but how does anyone know if any priest is really homosexual or not? Priests know upon entering the seminary that they are called to celibacy. Doesn’t matter what their persuasion is. Gay seminarians might have mastered the cover up of who they really are…just a thought.Well, if any gay priest puts children (at least, male ones) at risk, why doesn’t the Vatican laicize all homosexual priests and bishops, or at least remove them from parish ministry?
I agree that it’s not a homosexual problem in the sense that homosexuality is not the reason why these men abused.Well, this topic has come up on several threads. If the answer is “because being gay in and of itself doesn’t make a priest a threat to children” then what we have is NOT a homosexual problem.
I am mystified by those who would say the problem is homosexuality but not see ridding the priesthood of homosexuals part of the solution.
I am not convinced this is a homosexual problem.
Absolutely! Listen, the bishop who accepted me into the Church was gay and so was the one who sent me to seminary. (Both resigned in disgrace for sexaul acts with minor males.) My first and second vocation directors were not only both gay, they were both sexually active with other priests. (As an adult convert from the Southern Baptist Church, I was more than a little scandalized by this.) I’ve lived in rectories with priests who viewed gay porn on their computers, went to gay bars, and had ‘priest friends’ (-from other Dioceses) come spend several days in their rooms.However, are you willing to accept the fact that at least some of these men were probably homosexual…sick homosexuals, but homosexual nevertheless?
I have suggested that an Inquisition be conducted by the Dominicans and some thought I was being Facetious or humouress;I’m entirely serious.If the Church has the resources to investigate American nuns-She can investigate all priests world wide.Stop with the finger in the dike approach,we’re flooded anyway.Tear down the Dike and build another.If the "Lavender Mafia"and by that I mean homosexual priests who cannot or willnot control themselves are run out of town on a rail,the seminaries will be flooded by sincere holy young men.My own son is considering the priesthood and if his vocation is sound I,ME,MYSELF,will conduct my own personal investigation of that particular seminary.Absolutely! Listen, the bishop who accepted me into the Church was gay and so was the one who sent me to seminary. (Both resigned in disgrace for sexaul acts with minor males.) My first and second vocation directors were not only both gay, they were both sexually active with other priests. (As an adult convert from the Southern Baptist Church, I was more than a little scandalized by this.) I’ve lived in rectories with priests who viewed gay porn on their computers, went to gay bars, and had ‘priest friends’ (-from other Dioceses) come spend several days in their rooms.
I think a gay man can be a good priest but I also know from experience that a gay man can be a faithless priest too. One of the saddest things about Palm Beach (-the Diocese where I live and the one I spent five years studying for) is that several priests were railroaded out of the Diocese by priests who a) disliked their theology and b) cozied up to whatever bishop was new and innocent (-during my first five years as a Catholic, I had four bishops: Symons, O’Connell, O’Malley, and Barbarito) and had the run of the chancery. No complaint about any of them, however valid, went anywhere; anyone they disliked–and sometimes it was for something as honorable as rejecting the pass of a gay priest by a seminarian or a priest from elsewhere who just blew his chance for incardination–was soon ‘in the wind.’
I don’t know how widespread the ‘lavender mafia’ is, but there’s a lot of reality in this Diocese to back up that charge.
with this:I am mystified by those who would say the problem is homosexuality but not see ridding the priesthood of homosexuals part of the solution.
I am not convinced this is a homosexual problem.
I don’t know how widespread the ‘lavender mafia’ is, but there’s a lot of reality in this Diocese to back up that charge.
Your story makes me sick to my stomach. I hope I don’t view every priest I see now in this light.Absolutely! Listen, the bishop who accepted me into the Church was gay and so was the one who sent me to seminary. (Both resigned in disgrace for sexaul acts with minor males.) My first and second vocation directors were not only both gay, they were both sexually active with other priests. (As an adult convert from the Southern Baptist Church, I was more than a little scandalized by this.) I’ve lived in rectories with priests who viewed gay porn on their computers, went to gay bars, and had ‘priest friends’ (-from other Dioceses) come spend several days in their rooms.
I think a gay man can be a good priest but I also know from experience that a gay man can be a faithless priest too. One of the saddest things about Palm Beach (-the Diocese where I live and the one I spent five years studying for) is that several priests were railroaded out of the Diocese by priests who a) disliked their theology and b) cozied up to whatever bishop was new and innocent (-during my first five years as a Catholic, I had four bishops: Symons, O’Connell, O’Malley, and Barbarito) and had the run of the chancery. No complaint about any of them, however valid, went anywhere; anyone they disliked–and sometimes it was for something as honorable as rejecting the pass of a gay priest by a seminarian or a priest from elsewhere who just blew his chance for incardination–was soon ‘in the wind.’
Blech. This is disgusting. Even if the behavior involves consenting adults only - whether it is homosexual or heterosexual - going to bars; viewing pornography; having relationships with other religious; getting rid of more ethical people who raise questions about one issue or another, and finding a network of friends that is closed to opposing views is just gross.Absolutely! Listen, the bishop who accepted me into the Church was gay and so was the one who sent me to seminary. (Both resigned in disgrace for sexaul acts with minor males.) My first and second vocation directors were not only both gay, they were both sexually active with other priests. (As an adult convert from the Southern Baptist Church, I was more than a little scandalized by this.) I’ve lived in rectories with priests who viewed gay porn on their computers, went to gay bars, and had ‘priest friends’ (-from other Dioceses) come spend several days in their rooms.
I think a gay man can be a good priest but I also know from experience that a gay man can be a faithless priest too. One of the saddest things about Palm Beach (-the Diocese where I live and the one I spent five years studying for) is that several priests were railroaded out of the Diocese by priests who a) disliked their theology and b) cozied up to whatever bishop was new and innocent (-during my first five years as a Catholic, I had four bishops: Symons, O’Connell, O’Malley, and Barbarito) and had the run of the chancery. No complaint about any of them, however valid, went anywhere; anyone they disliked–and sometimes it was for something as honorable as rejecting the pass of a gay priest by a seminarian or a priest from elsewhere who just blew his chance for incardination–was soon ‘in the wind.’
I don’t know how widespread the ‘lavender mafia’ is, but there’s a lot of reality in this Diocese to back up that charge.