Homosexual Urban Legends - the series

[Libero]

If you lived in America you might see it.

Maybe, however it may be the case that the “agenda” is being dramatised, I never hear of it on anything other than this one site.

I always wonder about those self identified Catholics who choose to deny or defend the homosexual agenda for our society (I can only speak for the USA). And to top it off, this poster recommends “harry potter is more important than this book”? What is one to say to such a fellow Catholic? …put your head back in the hole? …

I’m not defending the homosexual agenda - I don’t believe there is one, I always wonder about these self identified catholics who defend the faith with such a vengence it is close to the line of being a religious fanatic… what is one to say to such a catholic? Bring your head out of your hole, open your eyes, look with them rather than choose to look with someone elses, don’t be influenced by these conspiracy theories and agendas. I would consider Harry Potter better for a number of reasons, firstly it’s not a load of opinions and a book simply that is going to implant false “facts” and stereotypes into a persons mind, secondly, it is not a self described “most important book in twenty years” also, it has acheived much more, it is internationally renowned for this, I wonder which book has more awards… the fictional Harry Potter or the fictional The Agenda. Everyone out there thinks that catholics hate homosexuals, can you blame them? I argue that homosexuals should be treated like equal people, however to catholics this makes me a “homosexual apologist” thats ridiculous.

 

[LSK]

Libero:

Maybe, however it may be the case that the “agenda” is being dramatised, I never hear of it on anything other than this one site.

I’m not defending the homosexual agenda - I don’t believe there is one, I always wonder about these self identified catholics who defend the faith with such a vengence it is close to the line of being a religious fanatic… what is one to say to such a catholic? Bring your head out of your hole, open your eyes, look with them rather than choose to look with someone elses, don’t be influenced by these conspiracy theories and agendas. I would consider Harry Potter better for a number of reasons, firstly it’s not a load of opinions and a book simply that is going to implant false “facts” and stereotypes into a persons mind, secondly, it is not a self described “most important book in twenty years” also, it has acheived much more, it is internationally renowned for this, I wonder which book has more awards… the fictional Harry Potter or the fictional The Agenda. Everyone out there thinks that catholics hate homosexuals, can you blame them? I argue that homosexuals should be treated like equal people, however to catholics this makes me a “homosexual apologist” thats ridiculous.

Stop it. There is room for discussion without taking nasty pot shots at each other. The other people on this thread have some legitimate question, not necessarily tied to the specific book. Let’s all practice Catholic Christian Charity and not behave in ways which should next be discussed in a confessional.

As I stated before, the problem with theorizing over a specific conspiracy theory or organized agenda is that it is like trying to prove a negative. However, there has been a definite change in social attitudes over the past 60 years that could be looked at with suspicion by those who have had the intestinal fortitude to stand for traditional moral values and have been slammed repeatedly for doing so. I have heard the argument made that the changes in attitude can be traced to the publishing of the Kinsey Report. I don’t know if that is a valid argument or not, but I have heard it presented and it gave me pause to think.

 

[Andrew_11]

Libero:

Maybe, however it may be the case that the “agenda” is being dramatised, I never hear of it on anything other than this one site.

I’m not defending the homosexual agenda - I don’t believe there is one, I always wonder about these self identified catholics who defend the faith with such a vengence it is close to the line of being a religious fanatic… what is one to say to such a catholic? Bring your head out of your hole, open your eyes, look with them rather than choose to look with someone elses, don’t be influenced by these conspiracy theories and agendas. I would consider Harry Potter better for a number of reasons, firstly it’s not a load of opinions and a book simply that is going to implant false “facts” and stereotypes into a persons mind, secondly, it is not a self described “most important book in twenty years” also, it has acheived much more, it is internationally renowned for this, I wonder which book has more awards… the fictional Harry Potter or the fictional The Agenda. Everyone out there thinks that catholics hate homosexuals, can you blame them? I argue that homosexuals should be treated like equal people, however to catholics this makes me a “homosexual apologist” thats ridiculous.

What was your issue with the link, it just stated some statistics. It wasnt bashing homesexuals, it was stating a fact. 1-2%of the pop. account for 33% of all cases of child molestation. Thats a fact, its not bigotry, its not hatred, its a fact. From this fact, we can make an educated hypothesis that homosexuals are more likely to be pedephiles than the rest of the population. I dont understand your issue with this. Thats how things are, im sorry if it deosnt fit into your picture of how the world works.

 

[contemplative]

Libero:

I’m not defending the homosexual agenda - I don’t believe there is one

There are obviously some CAForum members who have an agenda to make the gay agenda seem lukewarm…

Maybe, however it may be the case that the “agenda” is being dramatised, I never hear of it on anything other than this one site.

Wrong…you have been spending way too much time on CA … take a look around.

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On a different note I would like to mention that I bought one of David France’s books when it first came out. I then donated it to my public library.
The same could be done with The Agenda
Every one of this book here and there around this country could make a difference.

 

[Libero]

What was your issue with the link, it just stated some statistics. It wasnt bashing homesexuals, it was stating a fact. 1-2%of the pop. account for 33% of all cases of child molestation. Thats a fact, its not bigotry, its not hatred, its a fact. From this fact, we can make an educated hypothesis that homosexuals are more likely to be pedephiles than the rest of the population. I dont understand your issue with this. Thats how things are, im sorry if it deosnt fit into your picture of how the world works.

I don’t have apicture of how the world works, my issue is that people are going to take this at face value, without considering it . It will just become another tool to condemn the homosexual, for example, has anyone thought why, in an investigation more homosexuals will be paedophiles than heterosexuals? Maybe it could be the case that it is not accurate, is there an equal representation of homosexuals and heterosexuals, I doubt it. When is fact ever really fact. You can manipulate statistics to your own belief, statistics are worthless. I am gravely concerned that people do not really want to help the homosexual people, that people, if given a choice would rather do away with any homosexuals than accept them into our society and help them with their problem. I feel that homosexuals are often treated like second class citizens, I ask myself, why if they aren’t treated like inferiors do they feel the need to go on mass parades etc. I may not be right here, but I am not completely wrong, attitudes to homosexuals are not correct, otherwise there would not be so many problems in our society between us and “the homosexual community”.

There are obviously some CAForum members who have an agenda to make the gay agenda seem lukewarm…

Wrong…you have been spending way too much time on CA … take a look around.

I don’t have an agenda, I resent that implication aswell, I am merley concerned, also I am not that bothered about homosexuality to spend all my time trawling on the web for it. Got to go … House is on

 

[felra]

Maybe, however it may be the case that the “agenda” is being dramatised, I never hear of it on anything other than this one site.

Then time to wake up and smell the coffee.

I’m not defending the homosexual agenda - I don’t believe there is one,

This is called being part of the problem, rather than part of the solution.

I always wonder about these self identified catholics who defend the faith with such a vengence it is close to the line of being a religious fanatic…

In these days, one who stands for the faith, for what is good and true, is often labelled “fanatic” from within and without the recognized Church.

…what is one to say to such a catholic? Bring your head out of your hole, open your eyes, look with them rather than choose to look with someone elses, don’t be influenced by these conspiracy theories and agendas.

Why in the world would you ever say this to someone who is making an honest stand against evil? Your statements come across as being hell bent on minimizing the growing darkness around us as Christians standing in the light of Christ.

I would consider Harry Potter better for a number of reasons, firstly it’s not a load of opinions and a book simply that is going to implant false “facts” and stereotypes into a persons mind, secondly, it is not a self described “most important book in twenty years” also, it has acheived much more, it is internationally renowned for this, I wonder which book has more awards… the fictional Harry Potter or the fictional The Agenda.

Accolades and revenue by the populace do not qualify a book as being worthy of Christians.

Everyone out there thinks that catholics hate homosexuals, can you blame them? I argue that homosexuals should be treated like equal people, however to catholics this makes me a “homosexual apologist” thats ridiculous.

This really depends on which side of the fence that you are surveying the landscape from. I question the representation of your survey, or who are the companions who share your skewed frame of the argument. What exactly do you mean by “homosexuals should be treated like equal people”?

 

[Andrew_11]

Libero:

I don’t have apicture of how the world works, my issue is that people are going to take this at face value, without considering it . It will just become another tool to condemn the homosexual, for example, has anyone thought why, in an investigation more homosexuals will be paedophiles than heterosexuals? Maybe it could be the case that it is not accurate, is there an equal representation of homosexuals and heterosexuals, I doubt it. When is fact ever really fact. You can manipulate statistics to your own belief, statistics are worthless. I am gravely concerned that people do not really want to help the homosexual people, that people, if given a choice would rather do away with any homosexuals than accept them into our society and help them with their problem. I feel that homosexuals are often treated like second class citizens, I ask myself, why if they aren’t treated like inferiors do they feel the need to go on mass parades etc. I may not be right here, but I am not completely wrong, attitudes to homosexuals are not correct, otherwise there would not be so many problems in our society between us and “the homosexual community”.

I don’t have an agenda, I resent that implication aswell, I am merley concerned, also I am not that bothered about homosexuality to spend all my time trawling on the web for it. Got to go … House is on

I agree that we should treat homosexuals as people, but that deos not mean that there actions are good. A person with an anger problem is more likely to commit a violent crime, and a homosexual is more likely to be a pedophile. Deos this mean that all people with anger problems commit violent crimes? no, it just means they are more likely to, as humans we have a choice, we can throw morals out the window and do whatever our bodies tell us to do, or we can make our bodies do what we tell them to do.

 

[contemplative]

Libero:

attitudes to homosexuals are not correct, otherwise there would not be so many problems in our society between us and “the homosexual community”.

And you don’t understand the problems that exist today?

I don’t have an agenda, I resent that implication aswell, I am merley concerned,

I could show you how you repeatedly show up and voice these very same lukewarm anti-Catholic sentiments on these forums.

Libero-
Everyone out there thinks that catholics hate homosexuals, can you blame them?

also I am not that bothered about homosexuality to spend all my time trawling on the web for it. Got to go … House is on

If you aren’t bothered by the homosexual agenda you could probably stand to read The Agenda instead of another no-brain episode of House.

You will be back after the show…I can almost guarantee it.

 

[George_Waters]

This is perhaps a bit off topic but in line with Andrew 11 statement and does question agendas.

Why are pedophiles typically labeled as heterosexuals? You are either attracted to someone of the opposite sex, the same sex or both. If you are attracted to someone of the opposite sex you are heterosexual, the same sex homosexual or both bisexual. So why is a male who has sex with a young male labeled heterosexual? Isn’t gender more the issue when identifying our own sexual orientation than age? (Please note in case of pedophilia age is the issue and I am in no way condoning this immoral and illegal act.) Age (when of legal age) is a preference like hair color or eye color. My wife is 2 years younger than I am with brown hair and brown eyes. My brother-in-law is dating a women 4 years his senior with blonde hair and green eyes. We are both heterosexuals in spite of our preferences for different traits. So how can pedophilia even be associated with heterosexuals? Any thoughts?

Thanks

George

 

[siamesecat]

George Waters:

This is perhaps a bit off topic but in line with Andrew 11 statement and does question agendas.

Why are pedophiles typically labeled as heterosexuals? You are either attracted to someone of the opposite sex, the same sex or both. If you are attracted to someone of the opposite sex you are heterosexual, the same sex homosexual or both bisexual. So why is a male who has sex with a young male labeled heterosexual? Isn’t gender more the issue when identifying our own sexual orientation than age? (Please note in case of pedophilia age is the issue and I am in no way condoning this immoral and illegal act.) Age (when of legal age) is a preference like hair color or eye color. My wife is 2 years younger than I am with brown hair and brown eyes. My brother-in-law is dating a women 4 years his senior with blonde hair and green eyes. We are both heterosexuals in spite of our preferences for different traits. So how can pedophilia even be associated with heterosexuals? Any thoughts?

Thanks

George

Ok Im no expert on this but I read an article once that made sense to me. It said being gay is recognizing, accepting, and embracing your same sex attraction and having “healthy” sexual relationships with other adults etc. These priests and other male on boy relationships are secretive, done by people who clearly are uncomfortable with their sexuality, preferring to hide and damage unwilling participants. Are they homosexuals? Yes. But regardless of the pedophile or homosexual labels, I dont think gay people really have a higher molestation rate. I believe homosexuality is a perversion, but not really a dangerous one so I accept it the same way I accept some people have a foot fetish etc. But I think some perversions like attraction to young males are higher in homosexual cases because with one perversion theres probably a greater chance of other perversions? basically…i think these people are in a whole nother set of perverts, a dangerous one, and homosexuals wouldnt apply to them because they dont enjoy sex with other men or committed relationships, but rather just perverted molestation…theyre perverts, not simply homosexuals. This sounds kind of rambling…but do people get what I mean? Also, priestly celibacy may have something to do with it because the men cant have sex and put their desires onto others, and maybe they are most exposed to young boys as altar servers and develop an attraction to them because theyre accessible? Or some perverts choose the priesthood for this reason accounting for the high molestation numbers?

 

[Courtneyjo]

siamesecat:

Also, priestly celibacy may have something to do with it because the men cant have sex and put their desires onto others, and maybe they are most exposed to young boys as altar servers and develop an attraction to them because theyre accessible?

Priestly celibacy is not the issue. A heterosexual man who deals with women on a daily basis, such as the parish priest, will not desire boys since he’s taken a vow of celibacy. These men may be tempted by grown women, but not by people of the same sex.

In a study commissioned by the bishops:

“Eighty-one percent of sex crimes committed against children by Roman Catholic priests during the past 52 years were homosexual men preying on boys, according to a comprehensive study released yesterday on the church’s sex abuse crisis.”

“The John Jay study was commissioned 20 months ago by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) in response to hundreds of sex-abuse accusations that were made in nearly every U.S. Catholic diocese. It covered the years from 1950 to 2002 and found 10,667 cases of abuse.”

washtimes.com/national/2…11236-5901r.htm

 

[felra]

I believe homosexuality is a perversion, but not really a dangerous one so I accept it the same way I accept some people have a foot fetish etc…theyre perverts, not simply homosexuals. This sounds kind of rambling…but do people get what I mean?

Why in the world would you not consider homosexuality “not really a dangerous one [perversion]”? A person acting out on their SSA is very sick morally, and is putting their soul at risk of eternal damnation. Homosexual activity is a gross perversion, which your statement “theyre perverts, not simply homosexuals”, creates ambiguity.

The use of accurate language is important in this topic discussion, because the homosexual lobbyist seek to redefine in order to sanitize and normalize the gross perversion and disorder that homosexuality is. No room for middle ground or gray areas here in this battle for truth, holiness and the destiny of eternal souls.

 

[buffalo]

siamesecat:

I believe homosexuality is a perversion, but not really a dangerous one so I accept it the same way I accept some people have a foot fetish etc.

Show me how homosexuality promotes the common good.

 

[wabrams]

Homosexual Urban Legends - the series

Homosexuals claim that “heterosexuals” molest most children but statistics show that homosexuals molest at far higher rates than do heterosexuals.

• Rev. Paul Shanley, a retired Catholic priest was arrested on May 4, 2002 in San Diego on three counts of child rape. Shanley had a history of molesting boys that went back to 1967. He was at the founding meeting of the North American Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) and while in San Diego operated a bed & breakfast for homosexuals in Palm Springs. Shanley has openly called for “man-boy” love.
• David Carlton Nurmi, was arrested in Florida on April 26, 2002, for possession of child pornography and for molesting a 15-year-old boy.
• Geoffrey Cornish, a well-respected Solana Beach, California therapist was sentenced to 23 years in prison in September, 2001 for sexually molesting boys who came to him for therapy. Cornish, who is HIV-positive, was also a coach for the Torrey Pines High School surf team. Cornish told police he had been molested himself by a Boy Scout leader for three years when he was living in England.

more…

All the research data on the main page you linked was done in the mid-1980’s. The most recent figures on that page, from 1999-2001 re: teacher molestations, show that only 20% of the perpetuators were homosexual.

 

[LSK]

I think another aspect of this discussion to consider is the idea of an ‘agenda’ by any specific group.

A group, any group, which identifies specific political goals could be said to have an agenda.

A groups which states that its goals are to promote the legal recognition of their sexual unions, their right to adopt children, their legal recognition as a minority so as to assure that they can sue for discrimination under specific laws would be said to have an agenda.

An argument could be made, therefore, that there is a homosexual agenda.

This is just food for thought.

 

[Libero]

I could show you how you repeatedly show up and voice these very same lukewarm anti-Catholic sentiments on these forums.

I don’t think that showing love for homosexuals, real compassion and accepting them into our societ is an anti-catholic sentiment, anything but. I have never once condoned homosexual intercourse etc, I don’t agree with homosexual marriage, but constantly complaining about homosexuals like this acheives nothing, go and spread God’s word in a truly corteous manner if you want to address the problem, don’t just moan about homosexual behaviour, talk about all the “underlying psychological problems” and all the agendas thay are pushing.

If you aren’t bothered by the homosexual agenda you could probably stand to read The Agenda instead of another no-brain episode of House.

You will be back after the show…I can almost guarantee it.

It’s not so much that I could not stand to read to read the agenda, but rather that I do not think that their point of view shall be argued fairly and consider all truths; it is for this reason that I did not like Michael Walsh’s Opus Dei (i mentioned this in a different thread) and also the DaVinci code - I found it to be an entertaining storyline, but did not like the way that opinions and false beliefs were presented as facts. Also, I happen to beleive House to be one of the better shows on TV now a days, it could be far worse

 

[Libero]

This is called being part of the problem, rather than part of the solution.

Really, I would say that Hitler had an agenda - by that scale it makes the “homosexual agenda” seem to be rather trivial.

Why in the world would you ever say this to someone who is making an honest stand against evil? Your statements come across as being hell bent on minimizing the growing darkness around us as Christians standing in the light of Christ.

Growing light of christ? A light that does not show the love of christ, rather his bitter dislike of homosexuality? Would you consider yourself to be making an honest stand against evil? I don’t think that complaining about homosexuality to a group of faithful catholics qualifies as promoting christ’s teachings. How often do people ever complain about homosexuality and at the same time really want to help homosexuals, rather than just be rid of them? When saying this to a homosexual: do you really think you are helping them… would christ say this to a homosexual:

Why in the world would you not consider homosexuality “not really a dangerous one [perversion]”? A person acting out on their SSA is very sick morally, and is putting their soul at risk of eternal damnation. Homosexual activity is a gross perversion, which your statement “theyre perverts, not simply homosexuals”, creates ambiguity.

Accolades and revenue by the populace do not qualify a book as being worthy of Christians.

a book as being worthy of christians… Harry Potter, when you pick up a book described as FICTION then you have to accept it as fiction, there is nothing wrong with Harry Potter, or does J.K. Rowling have an agenda?

This really depends on which side of the fence that you are surveying the landscape from. I question the representation of your survey, or who are the companions who share your skewed frame of the argument. What exactly do you mean by “homosexuals should be treated like equal people”?

Yes, I agree, the equal people was a bit vague, of course there are some things that I think they should not have, such as marriage, when I say equal people I mean there should be no unjust discrimination. For example a homosexual should not be denied a promotion into high ranks of a job (like the police force, teaching etc) just because they are a homosexual.

 

[felra]

…but constantly complaining about homosexuals like this acheives nothing

, go and spread God’s word in a truly corteous manner if you want to address the problem, don’t just moan about homosexual behaviour, talk about all the “underlying psychological problems” and all the agendas thay are pushing.
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[Libero]

As I have registered my observation before:

Good answer… not, is it that my talks to bluntly about the constant moaning on the matter at hand, or would it be that I am just imagining that the moaning is neagtive, and actually helping homosexual people. :ehh:

 

[felra]

Really, I would say that Hitler had an agenda - by that scale it makes the “homosexual agenda” seem to be rather trivial.

Really? Who has given you the inside track as too how many souls are being lost due to being enticed, seduced, rationalized, and affirmed in the sinful, destructive and unholy homosexual lifestyle? Not to count the untold mental, emotional, physical, spiritual and relationship suffering that this lifestyle that this sin sexual lifesyle produces.

Growing light of christ? A light that does not show the love of christ, rather his bitter dislike of homosexuality? Would you consider yourself to be making an honest stand against evil? I don’t think that complaining about homosexuality to a group of faithful catholics qualifies as promoting christ’s teachings. How often do people ever complain about homosexuality and at the same time really want to help homosexuals, rather than just be rid of them? When saying this to a homosexual: do you really think you are helping them… would christ say this to a homosexual:

You seem to have a problem with Christians stating the truth and presenting the facts in service of dispelling lies, deceit and darkness. What exactly is your definition of “complaining”? What you label as “complaining”, I see as being in service of the truth of the Gospel. You presume to know to what extent fellow posters encounter, interact with, and help homosexual afflicted individuals to know and live in the dignity of Christ.

a book as being worthy of christians… Harry Potter, when you pick up a book described as FICTION then you have to accept it as fiction, there is nothing wrong with Harry Potter, or does J.K. Rowling have an agenda?

I have read the opinions of more astute reviewers that disagree with your opinion.

Yes, I agree, the equal people was a bit vague, of course there are some things that I think they should not have, such as marriage, when I say equal people I mean there should be no unjust discrimination. For example a homosexual should not be denied a promotion into high ranks of a job (like the police force, teaching etc) just because they are a homosexual.

Even if this entails a “homosexual safety sensistive” position, example: Catholic priest? Elementary/high school teacher? Boy Scout leader?