Homosexual Urban Legends - the series

[Libero]

Really? Who has given you the inside track as too how many souls are being lost due to being enticed, seduced, rationalized, and affirmed in the sinful, destructive and unholy homosexual lifestyle? Not to count the untold mental, emotional, physical, spiritual and relationship suffering that this lifestyle that this sin sexual lifesyle produces.

Really, how many world wars have homosexuals started in the past century, how many attempts at erradciating an entire relgion by murdering their people ar homosexuals responisble for? Beleive what you want, I am going to go with the idea that Hitler’s agenda was far worse than the “thomosexual agenda”

You seem to have a problem with Christians stating the truth and presenting the facts in service of dispelling lies, deceit and darkness. What exactly is your definition of “complaining”? What you label as “complaining”, I see as being in service of the truth of the Gospel. You presume to know to what extent fellow posters encounter, interact with, and help homosexual afflicted individuals to know and live in the dignity of Christ.

I have no problem with christians dispelling lies and spreading the truth, adopting a insensitive vendetta against a group of people is stupid, and not justifiable in the name of christianity; do you honestly believe you are helping homosexuals to live in the dignity of christ?

I have read the opinions of more astute reviewers that disagree with your opinion.

Oh really, and if these reviewers jumped into a fire would you follow them? I am the audiance that the book is aimed at, don’t forget that. Further more, I believe that actually reading Harry Potter is a better way to judge, rather than just beleive “astute reviewers”. I do beleive that you could find some verey astute reviewers who would support Harry Potter.

Even if this entails a “homosexual safety sensistive” position, example: Catholic priest? Elementary/high school teacher? Boy Scout leader?

I would let homosexuals into all of these positions. Many important clergy members have disagreed with banning homosexual priests and banning homosexual teachers at catholic schools. To stop homosexuals attaining positions like the ones you listed is silly, it is just as likely that a heterosexual will abuse in such a situation, what is to say that a heteroseuxual will not be racist, paedophillic, violent, sexist etc. The case of Ian Huntley springs to mind here… he was not homosexual.

 

[buffalo]

Libero:

I am going to go with the idea that Hitler’s agenda was far worse than the “thomosexual agenda”

Was Hitler’s agenda worse than the pro-death abortion agenda? Hitler was one man. He is responsible for approx. 15 million deaths. Stalin 26 million. USA abortion - 42 million.

My argument is that a society indeed can be culpable in allowing bad agendas to gain a foothold and then be accepted as normal.

The USA abortion agenda and the homosexual agenda are both insidious and do not serve the common good. How they compare to Hitler is a poor comparison. They are all bad.

 

[Ham1]

Really, how many world wars have homosexuals started in the past century, how many attempts at erradciating an entire relgion by murdering their people ar homosexuals responisble for? Beleive what you want, I am going to go with the idea that Hitler’s agenda was far worse than the “thomosexual agenda”

It is fairly well-documented that many influential leaders within the Nazi party were indeed homosexual.

 

[Libero]

It is fairly well-documented that many influential leaders within the Nazi party were indeed homosexual.

Really, it is fairly well documented that there were/are some influential leaders in the catholic church who were/are homosexual.

Was Hitler’s agenda worse than the pro-death abortion agenda? Hitler was one man. He is responsible for approx. 15 million deaths. Stalin 26 million. USA abortion - 42 million.

My argument is that a society indeed can be culpable in allowing bad agendas to gain a foothold and then be accepted as normal.

The USA abortion agenda and the homosexual agenda are both insidious and do not serve the common good. How they compare to Hitler is a poor comparison. They are all bad.

USA abortion is very different to both homosexuality and Hitler. Either way, is the “homosexual agenda” promoting murder?

 

[LSK]

I would also state that the fact that an agenda does not specifically state “round up Jews and gas them” means that it does not exist is not a valid argument.

When the Civil Rights Movement took off in the country in the mid-1950’s there was a definite agenda. It included voting rights, acceptance of African Americans as fully franchised citizens, etc. Housing, education, marriage, all kinds of issues were a part of the agenda that made up the Civil Rights Movement.

Those who opposed the Civil Rights Movement had an agenda.

So my point is this; if your argument is that there is no organized Homosexual Agenda in the United States, I think there can be a rational argument made that you are incorrect. There has been an organized effort to have homosexuality recognized as a lifestyle choice, rather than a psychological disorder, there has been an organized political movement to have avowed homosexuals protected under the Civil Rights legislation, to have laws enacted that would ok same-sex marriage, same-sex couples being allowed to adopt infants, and a myriad of other legal protections as homosexuals. This has been an organized effort, and it has been backed by intelligent, well-funded and politically aggressive people.

I believe this qualifies as an agenda. I also believe that those people who actively oppose the above agenda, HAVE AN AGENDA.

And it is time to remove the stigma from that word.

So here goes…in the spirit of Lenny Bruce:

AGENDA AGENDA AGENDA AGENDA AGENDA

 

[fix]

Libero:

Really, how many world wars have homosexuals started in the past century, how many attempts at erradciating an entire relgion by murdering their people ar homosexuals responisble for? Beleive what you want, I am going to go with the idea that Hitler’s agenda was far worse than the “thomosexual agenda”

Are only those who start a war going to hell? Where can I find this teaching?

 

[fix]

Libero:

USA abortion is very different to both homosexuality and Hitler. Either way, is the “homosexual agenda” promoting murder?

The last Pope called it a new ideology of evil. In the end both those guilty of physical murder or promoting the homosexual agenda lead to murder of the soul.

 

[felra]

Libero:

USA abortion is very different to both homosexuality and Hitler. Either way, is the “homosexual agenda” promoting murder?

They are all intrinsically evil, they all have victims, they all cause and result in death if left to their logical conclusion.

You seem to be stuck on bodily death. There is a second death that is a possiblity for everyone. As Christians we recognize that all is not contained to this world, and that our ultimate resting place entirely depends on our choices that we each make while in this world.

“And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.” Matt. 10:28

 

[Ham1]

Libero:

Really, it is fairly well documented that there were/are some influential leaders in the catholic church who were/are homosexual.

Ummmmm…What’s your point? Your statement may be true but is it has no logical connection to the statement that I made.

Let’s review:

I posted the comment about some Nazi leaders being homosexual in response to your question below:

how many world wars have homosexuals started in the past century, how many attempts at erradciating an entire relgion by murdering their people ar homosexuals responisble for?

My response was based on the following logic:

Since, the Nazi’s did start a rather large World War that attempted to eradicate an entire religion and since several inluential Nazi leaders were homosexual, then the answer to your question is “at least one.”

Your response that some Church leaders were/are/have been homosexual is completely irrelevant to my post.

If you want to debate topics and take issue with certain responses, do us all a favor and try to have a point.

Thanks!

 

[Libero]

If you want to debate topics and take issue with certain responses, do us all a favor and try to have a point.

My point, was that agendas vary, this ios also directed at LSK, before you can really go forward on this topic, establish your belief on the homosexual agenda, it is clearly not in the same league as that of Hitler’s, thus what is it, would all homosexuals agree on an agenda, as the nazis did, i doubt it.

If you want to debate topics and take issue with certain responses, do us all a favor and try to have a point.

My argument has got a point, however I fail to fully understand why the fact that some nazi’s were homosexuals means anything. I raised the issue of hitler’s agenda; I do not think that because you are a homosexual you are more likely to do anything that the Nazi party did. Infact people like Alan Turing (who was a homosexual) became key figures in bringing down the Nazi party, he latter comitted suicide, it is believed to be due to the fact that people treated him very badly because of his sexual orientation. I don’t get what you mean by stating that some Nazi’s were homosexuals.

They are all intrinsically evil, they all have victims, they all cause and result in death if left to their logical conclusion.

You seem to be stuck on bodily death. There is a second death that is a possiblity for everyone. As Christians we recognize that all is not contained to this world, and that our ultimate resting place entirely depends on our choices that we each make while in this world.

“And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.” Matt. 10:28

All homosexuals have victims? Is that what you mean, I am unsure. Also, this is a genuine question I have been wanting to find the answer out to, what happened to those popes who commited homosexual sins or pederasty during their time as Pontiff, would they go to hell?

Are only those who start a war going to hell? Where can I find this teaching?

The concept of how God judges souls is so complicated we as humans cannot contemplate it, I was not implying anything about hell, I have said before that I have trouble with the entire concept of hell.

I believe this qualifies as an agenda. I also believe that those people who actively oppose the above agenda, HAVE AN AGENDA.

would it be the case that those who rigidly oppose anything to do with homosexuals also have an agenda. Agenda can be such a loose term, nothing is established by it, the “homosexual agenda” could be harmless, they may just want to help people develop better understanding of homosexuality (not saying this is the case) . People who campaigned for black rights had an agenda. The definition of agenda is paramount here.

 

[Libero]

sorry for quite a long post

 

[Ham1]

I don’t get what you mean by stating that some Nazi’s were homosexuals.

I explain this clearly in my last post:

I posted the comment about some Nazi leaders being homosexual in response to your question below:

Quote:
how many world wars have homosexuals started in the past century, how many attempts at erradciating an entire relgion by murdering their people ar homosexuals responisble for?

My response was based on the following logic:

Since, the Nazi’s did start a rather large World War that attempted to eradicate an entire religion and since several inluential Nazi leaders were homosexual, then the answer to your question is “at least one.”

What is difficult to understand here?

 

[LSK]

Libero:

My point, was that agendas vary, this ios also directed at LSK, before you can really go forward on this topic, establish your belief on the homosexual agenda, it is clearly not in the same league as that of Hitler’s, thus what is it, would all homosexuals agree on an agenda, as the nazis did, i doubt it.

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The fact that the agendas are different or that Hitler’s was HORRENDOUS is not the point…of course his agenda was horrendous. You win. His was horrendous and he is dead. That does not mean that there cannot be an argument made that there is an organized, legitimate agenda by politicized homosexual activists in this country, your country and other countries.

I think that homosexuals do agree on a political agenda in the United States.

I believe the agenda includes:

Legalization of Same Sex Marriage
Legalization of Same Sex Couples being allowed to adopt Children
Normalization and Acceptance of Homosexuality being a lifestyle choice and therefore subject to the protection and rights accorded to all minorities under Title IX
Specific legislation that includes any crimes committed against people who are homosexual to be classified as hate crimes irrigardless of the intent of the criminal.
Lowering the age of consent to 13 in all states in which the age of consent is 16 or higher.

There are several states, right now, in which there are proposition on the ballots that are all addressing this issue. All of these issues have been placed before the Democratic National Committee to be included as part of the federal platform. There are several Gay and Lesbian Organizations, both Liberal and Conservative in nature, who back these particular issues. All of these issues are presented in a ‘civil rights’ light and all the presentations have been modelled after those made by NAACP and other organizations which fought the Civil Rights Battles of the 1950’s and 1960’s.

These are also issues which are not confined to the United States; Canada is also dealing with them.

My personal belief is that the gay marriage issue in the United States should be dealt with by getting the government completely out of the marriage license business. Marriage is a Sacrament, a religious covenant and the US Government has no business licensing a Religious Sacrament. Everyone should be required to enter into a Civil Union, and those of us who believe in the Sacrament of Holy Matrimony can celebrate that Sacrament in the Holy Mother Church without the Government getting to license it. The idea that the secular world cares about marriage is a joke anyway…but that’s another topic for another thread…

And besides, I haven’t really thought it through…it just annoys me that when politicians pretend to care about morals…

 

[Libero]

The thing I find difficult to understand was that this was Hitler’s plans, no homosexual controlled the nazi party, they did not make the decisons, it was Hitler’s agenda that caused a world war, not any homosexual. Other Nazi leaders were just puppets to their master.

Since, the Nazi’s did start a rather large World War that attempted to eradicate an entire religion and since several inluential Nazi leaders were homosexual, then the answer to your question is “at least one.”

What is difficult to understand here?

 

[Libero]

LSK, good post!

My personal belief is that the gay marriage issue in the United States should be dealt with by getting the government completely out of the marriage license business. Marriage is a Sacrament, a religious covenant and the US Government has no business licensing a Religious Sacrament. Everyone should be required to enter into a Civil Union, and those of us who believe in the Sacrament of Holy Matrimony can celebrate that Sacrament in the Holy Mother Church without the Government getting to license it. The idea that the secular world cares about marriage is a joke anyway…but that’s another topic for another thread…

these are my sentiments exactly, I cannot understand why people would want to marry a gay couple, a civil union would be just as good. As for gay adoption, this issue has always seemed bizarre to me, I can’t believe that homosexual couples can adopt. The age of consent thing, does that mean sex? It is 18 in the UK, It would be completely out of order to impose an age of 13, thats flawed at so many levels.

 

[LSK]

This is not the point…the fact that no particular Homosexual controlled the Nazi Party (though I am sure someone somewhere could make the claim that Hitler might have been a homosexual - who is to know) the fact that the Nazi Agenda was horrendous does not mean that every horrible agenda that comes after WWII is given a pass because it is not as bad as the Nazis. For heaven’s sakes. That would mean any evil that falls short of trying for world domination is ok because afterall, it’s not the Nazis.

The entire point of this thread was to give some thought to the idea of whether or not there is some genuine political homosexual agenda. I think a good argument can be made that there is…and the fact that it does not include gassing the Jews does not mean it does not exist.

 

[siamesecat]

buffalo:

Show me how homosexuality promotes the common good.

Promotes common good? It doesnt. But I also don’t find it to be all that detrimental to the public good. Sure, there are some issues, but I consider it a fairly neutral thing to society because no one is being directly harmed.

 

[siamesecat]

felra:

Why in the world would you not consider homosexuality “not really a dangerous one [perversion]”? A person acting out on their SSA is very sick morally, and is putting their soul at risk of eternal damnation. Homosexual activity is a gross perversion, which your statement “theyre perverts, not simply homosexuals”, creates ambiguity.

The use of accurate language is important in this topic discussion, because the homosexual lobbyist seek to redefine in order to sanitize and normalize the gross perversion and disorder that homosexuality is. No room for middle ground or gray areas here in this battle for truth, holiness and the destiny of eternal souls.

I’m putting this from a legal point of view, as I dont follow a religion. Religion doesnt rule America, and our job is to protect children and other people from dangers with our laws. I dont see homosexuals as dangerous to others. And regardless of whether or not they marry, they will remain homosexuals and committ homosexual acts…i doubt they will stop “sinning”

 

[felra]

siamesecat:

I’m putting this from a legal point of view, as I dont follow a religion. Religion doesnt rule America, and our job is to protect children and other people from dangers with our laws. I dont see homosexuals as dangerous to others. And regardless of whether or not they marry, they will remain homosexuals and committ homosexual acts…i doubt they will stop “sinning”

Your post and response again demonstates the inherent limitation and inadequacy of the “atheist” belief system to address the entire reality of the human condition. Such a depraved, cynical and woefully hopeless response to one caught in the cycle of self destruction (as is the case when one chooses to act against natural law).

God rules, as he is Lord of lords and King of kings – through the gift of faith, as Chrisitians we know that this is true. We also know that through His Son Jesus Christ, the entire mess that we [mankind] created is not our problem to solve, it is God’s problem as the Creator. Our task as son’s and daughter’s of God, is to cooperate with His ever present, intimate and manifest love to offer hope and saving love to those living in darkness. We are no stuck in the “legal” or “this is all there is” denial, refusal, non-aceptance slice of reality. As the bible says, “If today you hear His voice, harden not your heart”.

 

[Libero]

Your post and response again demonstates the inherent limitation and inadequacy of the “atheist” belief system to address the entire reality of the human condition. Such a depraved, cynical and woefully hopeless response to one caught in the cycle of self destruction (as is the case when one chooses to act against natural law).

Whoa felra, religion is not for evryone. Some people accept theism some do not, the world has managed okay without religion in some places. Scientists took the equivalent of a nuclear missile to religion, some people cannot believe in religion due to the fact that science completely undermined it, futher more the media does not help. As for natural law, homosexuality does appear in nature (if thats what your talking about) the endocrine research has found that 8% of sheep are homosexual. That’s one to ponder over.