Homosexual Urban Legends - the series

[Libero]

The Truth is for everyone. It is not to be forced, but it is for everyone. That some reject it does not mean it is not for them. There may be many reasons they reject it, but it is not because it is wrong for them.

Good point fix, let me rephrase, I actually mean that the current ways of finding the truth or religion are not meant for some people, that the established religious churches do not seem appropriate, and that when they find out about religion through these current churches or other places of worship for any religion, these people feel nothing. Some people reject the truth, because of the human involvement, an that was my point, religion is not for everyone, because of the way that humans have been involved over the centuries, and because of the fact that humans ultimatley control it.

I am just wondering how it is possible to completely do anything to an extent?

Another good point, I will have to be more careful in future.

 

[LSK]

I know what you mean, Libero…these smart people force us to really think through our thoughts!!!

I know what you mean about not being robots, but I do think that God wants us all to have the Truth, to accept His Son as the Way, the Truth and The Light and to be fully in Communion with the Holy Mother Church. HOWEVER, like you have said, there are so many beautiful types of Liturgy and ways to Celebrate the Eucharist…I also think, the big problem is that we know how very hateful people have been in the past towards those who are different, whether they were different because of SSA or because they practice a different religion or because of skin color. Liberals have played upon our genuine desire to be kind, loving and to follow Catholic teachings to not discriminate against ANYONE and now we have been forced into corners where we are having to question whether total acceptance of a deviant lifestyle is really good for society as a whole.

I do not pretend to have an answer for everything, but I definitely have a lot of questions!

 

[Libero]

What century are you living in? Come join the rest of us in the 21st century. What you are referring to has more to do with the Enlightenment and the fruitation of Kant’s propagation of modern day Relativism.

Heck, it’s just a reason, as for me not living in the 21st century, I am the one who is trying to combine modern day with religion, you are trying to apply rules 2000 years old to a situation they will just not work in (if we are frank) we have to look at situations in a different light.

Why would you consider bringing the light of the Gospel to others as “force people to accept my churchs teaching”? Yours is not a full Gospel to that neglects to bring and preach the the Good News to those living in darkness (apart from the saving knowledge that is Jesus Christ).

delivering the gospel to others… are you involved in preaching or an evangelist? This is a Catholic site, virtually every one here is Catholic… not the best place to be delivering God’s gospel.

You cannot be serious. China with its institutionalized wholesale and persecution murder of its citizens born and not yet born, intolerance of any competing worship other that their own theism, …Jamacia, where the people there are still oppressed by “vodoo” doctors and all sorts of occult spiritual worship.

Yes, let’s keep Jesus out of these countries.

Note: I noticed you used lower case in your spelling of Christ – a typo or were you conveying an attitude?

China is developing, they have huge problems, abortion was a desperate way out of a terrible issue. China is going to get better, they are constantly acheiving new things. As for refusal to consider any other religion, have you ever thought about converting to budhism? Aswell as this, how is Jesus going to get into these countries, have you got a plan?

For goodness sake, do you honestly think I have any reason to spell Christ with in lower case. That is completely ridiculous. What do you think I would be trying to acheive in spelling Christ with a little c? Attitude… this sounds a bit like paranoia or something. No need to be so cynical now.

Either way, this thread is drifting off topic…

 

[felra]

Libero:

Good point fix, let me rephrase, I actually mean that the current ways of finding the truth or religion are not meant for some people, that the established religious churches do not seem appropriate, and that when they find out about religion through these current churches or other places of worship for any religion, these people feel nothing. Some people reject the truth, because of the human involvement, an that was my point, religion is not for everyone, because of the way that humans have been involved over the centuries, and because of the fact that humans ultimatley control it.

Religious expereince and arrival at the truth is not necessarily coexistant with feelings.

I posit that someone who rejects the truth because of human involvement either 1) did not actually find the truth, 2) did not actually want to know the truth, 3) did not choose to hold onto the truth (rocky or shallow soil of belief/desire that the devil robbed them of the truth).

As Catholics we believe and know the the Holy Spirit ultimately controls “it” (i.e., the Catholic Church).

 

[Libero]

Religious expereince and arrival at the truth is not necessarily coexistant with feelings.

I posit that someone who rejects the truth because of human involvement either 1) did not actually find the truth, 2) did not actually want to know the truth, 3) did not choose to hold onto the truth (rocky or shallow soil of belief/desire that the devil robbed them of the truth).

As Catholics we believe and know the the Holy Spirit ultimately controls “it” (i.e., the Catholic Church).

Good point, also I would propose that social or personal attitude towards religion often plays a big part. For example if you grew up and all you heard was the christian church being condemend etc then you are hardly likely to join your local church (although there are some exceptions to this).

Also family attitude plays a big part, I am only Catholic due to my mother, she is only Catholic due to her Irish family, if this was not the case, then it is highly likely I would not go looking to find religion. I think it is a shame that the church is so often dismissed, particularly by young people, before it can make a proper case.

 

[felra]

Heck, it’s just a reason, as for me not living in the 21st century, I am the one who is trying to combine modern day with religion, you are trying to apply rules 2000 years old to a situation they will just not work in (if we are frank) we have to look at situations in a different light.

Your basis for this assertion?

delivering the gospel to others… are you involved in preaching or an evangelist? This is a Catholic site, virtually every one here is Catholic… not the best place to be delivering God’s gospel.

Was this a stab at sarcasm?

China is developing, they have huge problems, abortion was a desperate way out of a terrible issue

. China is going to get better, they are constantly acheiving new things. As for refusal to consider any other religion, have you ever thought about converting to budhism? Aswell as this, how is Jesus going to get into these countries, have you got a plan?
Abortion is a natural consequence of an athiestic goverance who set themself up as the ultimate authority and ruler. Period.

The Church is making inroads to evangelization into this and other athiestic ruled countries, though admittedly, the challenge and risks are great.

For goodness sake, do you honestly think I have any reason to spell Christ with in lower case. That is completely ridiculous. What do you think I would be trying to acheive in spelling Christ with a little c? Attitude… this sounds a bit like paranoia or something. No need to be so cynical now.

Please point out to me if I ever make such a notable typo.

 

[Libero]

Was this a stab at sarcasm?

Little bit, did not seem quite so sarcastic at time. oops

Abortion is a natural consequence of an athiestic goverance who set themself up as the ultimate ruler. Period.

The Church is making inroads to evangelization into this and other athiestic ruled countries, though admittedly, the challenge and risks are great.

Are there any democracies or effect country rulers that are truly religious? Italy itslef has abortions.

Please point out to me if I ever make such a notable typo.

Fine

 

[buffalo]

Libero:

Heck, it’s just a reason, as for me not living in the 21st century, I am the one who is trying to combine modern day with religion, you are trying to apply rules 2000 years old to a situation they will just not work in (if we are frank) we have to look at situations in a different light.

We nor the Church have the authority to change Jesus’s teachings. The truth was true 2000 years ago and it will still be true 2000 years from now. Sin was sin then as it is now and will be in the future.

 

[Libero]

This is not always the case, there is nothing specifically written in the bible regarding artificial insemination, what are wew to do now?

We nor the Church have the authority to change Jesus’s teachings. The truth was true 2000 years ago and it will still be true 2000 years from now. Sin was sin then as it is now and will be in the future.

 

[fix]

Libero:

This is not always the case, there is nothing specifically written in the bible regarding artificial insemination, what are wew to do now?

The Church is Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition. Christ left us a magisterium.

 

[bones_IV]

I encountered several homosexual activists groups complain about the Pope’s stand on abstinance, homosexuality ect. One opinion article from a particular website said that “a catholic in good conscience cannot support Pope Benedict XVI.” Which isn’t suprising to me since so many of them like Rainbow Sash think that they can somehow try to influence the church to satisfy their life-style. This is qiute laughable, and on the other hand ludicrous.
Homosexuals obviously have a history of deviant behavior. Homosexual activists went by the Rectory where a Cardinal was staying and they shouted insults at him. Another time in New York’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral they threw condoms in the pews and chained themselves to pews and shouted inflamatory remarks. This is like flag burning only worse. This is how charitable these people are. But yet when the people in the Church screw up, the homosexual activists like to cry hypocrite and call foul. But when it comes to their own immorality they like to cover it up and don’t say anything. Interesting isn’t it folks?

 

[bones_IV]

Libero:

This is not always the case, there is nothing specifically written in the bible regarding artificial insemination, what are wew to do now?

Are you sure Libero? I challenge you to name one. I still have yet to hear a sound argument from you. Have heard none.

 

[buffalo]

Libero:

This is not always the case, there is nothing specifically written in the bible regarding artificial insemination, what are wew to do now?

Artificial insemination violates natural law.

 

[Libero]

I encountered several homosexual activists groups complain about the Pope’s stand on abstinance, homosexuality ect. One opinion article from a particular website said that “a catholic in good conscience cannot support Pope Benedict XVI.” Which isn’t suprising to me since so many of them like Rainbow Sash think that they can somehow try to influence the church to satisfy their life-style. This is qiute laughable, and on the other hand ludicrous.
Homosexuals obviously have a history of deviant behavior. Homosexual activists went by the Rectory where a Cardinal was staying and they shouted insults at him. Another time in New York’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral they threw condoms in the pews and chained themselves to pews and shouted inflamatory remarks. This is like flag burning only worse. This is how charitable these people are. But yet when the people in the Church screw up, the homosexual activists like to cry hypocrite and call foul. But when it comes to their own immorality they like to cover it up and don’t say anything. Interesting isn’t it folks?

That is not fair, some homosexuals did some wrong actions, and from now on you use their actions as standard to try and condemn all homosexuals; thats as bad as saying that all Americans are racists because there is the KKK in America, (I am not saying that all Americans are racist - just incase anyone may want to imply that), this is hardly a sound argument coming from someone who calims that I have never created a sound argument.

Are you sure Libero? I challenge you to name one. I still have yet to hear a sound argument from you. Have heard none.

What are you asking me to do here? I am saying that there is no direct biblical teaching to artificial insemination (I am not expressing a personal attitude) please correct me if I am wrong.

 

[bones_IV]

Libero:

That is not fair, some homosexuals did some wrong actions, and from now on you use their actions as standard to try and condemn all homosexuals; thats as bad as saying that all Americans are racists because there is the KKK in America, (I am not saying that all Americans are racist - just incase anyone may want to imply that), this is hardly a sound argument coming from someone who calims that I have never created a sound argument

In what way was I making homosexuals look bad? I just used facts not prejudice. You over looked the fact that I said that homosexuals have a history of deviance. ‘Hardly a sound argument’? I’ve read your posts and found not one.

Libero:

What are you asking me to do here? I am saying that there is no direct biblical teaching to artificial insemination (I am not expressing a personal attitude) please correct me if I am wrong.

The bible does condemn abortion and birth control. Just the bible doesn’t specifically mention articial insemination doesn’t mean make it licit. Your acting as though scripture is not infallible. That’s an example of moderenism.

 

[Libero]

The bible does condemn abortion and birth control. Just the bible doesn’t specifically mention articial insemination doesn’t mean make it licit. Your acting as though scripture is not infallible. That’s an example of moderenism.

Thanks for your opinion, but I disagree, I was not claiming that artificial insemination was ilicit, in fact I did make a point of ensuring that people did not think my opinion was that artificial insemination was ilicit, I don’t intend to act as if scripture is infallible, my point was (way before) that some chrisitans won’t accept that the humans involved in applying chritsts teachings in the modern day are preaching relevant messages i.e. people won’t accept that the preachers will not/ have not get/ got it wrong. If you think that I am acting as if scripture is not infallible, then good for you, but it is not the case.

In what way was I making homosexuals look bad? I just used facts not prejudice. You over looked the fact that I said that homosexuals have a history of deviance. ‘Hardly a sound argument’? I’ve read your posts and found not one.

Maybe it’s the fact that you came into the post with a completely irrelevant comment about what some homosexuals once did. We have tried to establish what the homosexual agenda is, what relevancy does your previous comment have? Upon looking through your posts I did not find many facts, but rather just opinions and claims or accusations : “you are a sophist” “there is not one of your posts based on sound argument” “I believe it is not a good christian group” “Paul Martin is a heretic and a blasphemer. He should be in Jail… He will go straight down to hell”. Not all of these comments are exactly based on sound arguments or fact, whats more I have never chosen to judge peoples souls and say they shall be going to hell. I believed only God could make that judgement.

 

[bones_IV]

Libero:

Thanks for your opinion, but I disagree, I was not claiming that artificial insemination was ilicit, in fact I did make a point of ensuring that people did not think my opinion was that artificial insemination was ilicit, I don’t intend to act as if scripture is infallible, my point was (way before) that some chrisitans won’t accept that the humans involved in applying chritsts teachings in the modern day are preaching relevant messages i.e. people won’t accept that the preachers will not/ have not get/ got it wrong. If you think that I am acting as if scripture is not infallible, then good for you, but it is not the case

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Well, I will say for one that scripture is infallible without error. That’s not an opinion, its a fact. And you say that I make baseless claims?

Libero:

Maybe it’s the fact that you came into the post with a completely irrelevant comment about what some homosexuals once did. We have tried to establish what the homosexual agenda is, what relevancy does your previous comment have? Upon looking through your posts I did not find many facts, but rather just opinions and claims or accusations : “you are a sophist” “there is not one of your posts based on sound argument” “I believe it is not a good christian group” “Paul Martin is a heretic and a blasphemer. He should be in Jail… He will go straight down to hell”. Not all of these comments are exactly based on sound arguments or fact, whats more I have never chosen to judge peoples souls and say they shall be going to hell. I believed only God could make that judgement.

Once again, I don’t apologize for being Catholic, it’s called reminding people of their sin. I’m sorry that you don’t except the word of God word for word. And another thing, I pity you. That is I feel sorry for you.

 

[Libero]

Well, I will say for one that scripture is infallible without error. That’s not an opinion, its a fact. And you say that I make baseless claims?

I have not said that I don’t make claims that aren’t based wholy on fact.

Once again, I don’t apologize for being Catholic, it’s called reminding people of their sin. I’m sorry that you don’t except the word of God word for word. And another thing, I pity you. That is I feel sorry for you.

I don’t expect you to appologise for being catholic, I am catholic, and further more I do accpet the word of God. I too feel sorry for you.