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tskrobacz
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Correct, universally consider the person as the Pope has counseled.
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Bookcat
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1868 Sin is a personal act. Moreover, we have a responsibility for the sins committed by others when we cooperate in them:
vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM
- by participating directly and voluntarily in them;
- by ordering, advising, praising, or approving them;
- by not disclosing or not hindering them when we have an obligation to do so;
- by protecting evil-doers.
vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM
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Bookcat
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Yes – love the persons–but do not approve or celebrate or endorse etc the objectively gravely disordered action.Correct, universally consider the person as the Pope has counseled.
And the Pope referred reporters to the Teachings of the Church (Catechism).
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bilop
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But God calls us to love Him first. Before and more than we love our mother, father, brother or sister.People have been saying no, but they also forget to ask who is it? If it is a close friend and family member, I think you should because God calls us to love our neighbour. If you don’t attend, then it could some friction. If it is a casual friend, office worker, who you don’t know very well, then I wouldn’t bother. If the ceremony really bothers you, then skip it and attend the reception. Just make sure you give them a good excuse. Family and love should come first.
God Bless
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Bookcat
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Catechism of the Catholic Church
1868 Sin is a personal act. Moreover, we have a responsibility for the sins committed by others when we cooperate in them:
Chastity and homosexuality
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,140 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."141 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity.** Under no circumstances can they be approved.**
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial.** They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity.** Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
1868 Sin is a personal act. Moreover, we have a responsibility for the sins committed by others when we cooperate in them:
- by participating directly and voluntarily in them;
- by ordering, advising, praising, or approving them;
- by not disclosing or not hindering them when we have an obligation to do so;
- by protecting evil-doers.
Chastity and homosexuality
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,140 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."141 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity.** Under no circumstances can they be approved.**
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial.** They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity.** Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
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Colorad007
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A gay marriage is a lie and a scandal no matter how you look at it. She ought not go no matter what the family situation may be. Quoting the Pope out of context does not change that fact.What is sinful, in my view, is any attempt to make such universal statements with no specific knowledge of the individuals involved or family situation.
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tskrobacz
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How is it out of context to always consider the individual? One size, fits all, answers are the very diabolical nature of evil itselfA gay marriage is a lie and a scandal no matter how you look at it. She ought not go no matter what the family situation may be. Quoting the Pope out of context does not change that fact.
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Bookcat
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Yes we always consider the person. We love the persons…do good to them always.How is it out of context to always consider the individual?
What we do not do is approve (etc) of objectively sinful actions etc.
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bilop
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No, some things are intrinsically evil; they are never to be done or aided, or approved.How is it out of context to always consider the individual? One size, fits all, answers are the very diabolical nature of evil itself
Things like abortion, and homosexual “marriage” fit this category. They are always and everywhere wrong. There is no need to consider individual circumstances before answering whether one should participate in or condone such actions.
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tskrobacz
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Sounds like a one size, fits all, answer to me!No, some things are intrinsically evil; they are never to be done or aided, or approved.
Things like abortion, and homosexual “marriage” fit this category. They are always and everywhere wrong. There is no need to consider individual circumstances before answering whether one should participate in or condone such actions.
God Bless
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Bookcat
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Yes that is how it is with certain things.Sounds like a one size, fits all, answer to me!
God is quite serious about such.
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tskrobacz
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As the mystics say…To few it is given to understand that EVERYTHING remains to be understood.Yes that is how it is with certain things.
God is quite serious about such.
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Bookcat
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The mystics agree with God…the mystics agree the Church…As the mystics say…To few it is given to understand that EVERYTHING remains to be understood.
There is objective truth. Moral relativism is not the way to go.
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tskrobacz
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St John of the Cross (Catholic Mystic):The mystics agree with God…the mystics agree the Church…
There is objective truth. Moral relativism is not the way to go.
"Sometimes God favors advanced souls through what they hear, see, or understand - and sometimes independently of this - with sublime knowledge by which they receive understanding or experience of the height and grandeur of God. Their experience of God in this favor is so lofty that they understand clearly that everything remains to be understood. This understand and experience that the divinity is so immense as to surpass complete understanding is indeed a sublime knowledge.
One of the outstanding favors God grants briefly in this life is an understanding and experience of himself so lucid and lofty that one comes to know clearly that God cannot be completely understood or experienced. This understanding is somewhat like that of the Blessed in heaven: Those who understand God more understand more distinctly the infinitude that remains to be understood; those who see less of him do not realize so clearly what remains to be seen."
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Newbie2
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Tell me: when God looks at a gay person, does he endorse the existence of this person with love, or reject and condemn this person?’ We must always consider the person.
In other words - there is no universal answer to your question. The person (people) and circumstances must also be considered. The same is true for a heterosexual wedding.
- Pope Francis
It is out of context in the sense that the Pope was not speaking about same-sex “marriage”.How is it out of context to always consider the individual? One size, fits all, answers are the very diabolical nature of evil itself
“One size fits all” = inherently evil actions. “It depends on the situation” = moral relativism.
We can love the individual while not supporting their sin.
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Bookcat
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I am very well versed in Spiritual Theology etc…St John of the Cross (Catholic Mystic):
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The TRUTH does not change. It is the TRUTH.
But there is much more to understand regarding that truth…etc …which does not change the truth…
St. John of the Cross agrees and professes the same truth.
There are objective moral truths that do not change.
We can know the Truth -and what we know via revelation and reason is Truth. But the truth is deeper and more beautiful etc than we know.
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tskrobacz
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I do not question that THE TRUTH does not change. I do question any assertion or certitude that a particular or present understanding is in fact THE ENTIRE TRUTH. This type of certainty is the opposite of faith.I am very well versed in Spiritual Theology etc…
The TRUTH does not change. It is the TRUTH.
But there is much more to understand regarding that truth…etc …which does not change the truth…
St. John of the Cross agrees and professes the same truth.
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Bookcat
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There are objective moral truths do not change.I do not question that THE TRUTH does not change. I do question any assertion or certitude that a particular or present understanding is in fact THE ENTIRE TRUTH. This type of certainty is the opposite of faith.
We can know the Truth -and what we know via revelation and reason - is Truth.
But the truth is deeper and more beautiful etc than we know.
We can know with even greater understanding etc that homosexual “marriage” is disordered and not be attempted and we can know with greater clarity and splendor the beauty of Marriage between a man and a woman and of family life. Sure.
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