Yes. That’s the way it is with intrinsic evil. Intrinsically evil acts are always and everywhere wrong.Sounds like a one size, fits all, answer to me!
Here more from the Catechism (see full quote and more above):Yes. That’s the way it is with intrinsic evil. Intrinsically evil acts are always and everywhere wrong.
There are no circumstance under which homosexual acts are ever permitted. Just like there are no circumstances where intentional abortion (or other murder of the innocent) is permitted, and there are no circumstances where adultery is permitted.
God Bless
Fortunately we also know that any finite ideas of God are infinitely less than God. If attendance at a homosexual marriage ceremony is a sin then I’m sure Catholic parents of homosexual children would sooner leave the church then be told their unconditional love for their child is a gateway to hell.Here more from the Catechism (see full quote and more above):
"Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,140 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.“141 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.”
Wrong, either God is everywhere or God is nowhere. He will be there.God won’t be at the gay wedding, so neither will I.
Why would you say that? What would possibly compel God to be present if He chose not to?Wrong, either God is everywhere or God is nowhere. He will be there.
God never withholds his presence from us. It is we that withhold our presence from God.Why would you say that? What would possibly compel God to be present if He chose not to?
He would still be aware of the events, obviously. But, God can clearly withhold His presence from people. That’s the main deprivation of Hell, after all; complete exclusion from the presence of God.
God Bless
Well then, people who are engaging in, or supporting an intrinsically evil act are certainly withholding their presence from God.God never withholds his presence from us. It is we that withhold our presence from God.
God won’t be at the gay wedding, so neither will I.
Both are correct in different ways.God never withholds his presence from us. It is we that withhold our presence from God.
Ok, Go ahead. Construct a situation in which a Catholic SHOULD attend a gay wedding.How is it out of context to always consider the individual? One size, fits all, answers are the very diabolical nature of evil itself
Assume A and his married friends B1 and B2 are invited to a homosexual wedding. B1 and B2 have small children, age 3, 5 and 7 and unfortunately although not yet alcoholics have the habit of drinking far too much, the last festivity B1 and B2 attended with their children ended with B1 and B2 passing out around 1 am in the morning and their 7-year old child managing to call A via selecting his name on the parents mobile. A of course at once drove to the festivity and picked up the shivering, horribly tired and frightened children who did not understand why mommy and daddy fell asleep without going home first.Ok, Go ahead. Construct a situation in which a Catholic SHOULD attend a gay wedding.
I can’t wait for this!
Do you understand what St. John is saying here or are you just reading your own things into his words as you seem to be doing with the pope? He says that we can never comprehend God, no matter how much we come to know him. There will always be an infinite more that we will never know…about God! It is a fundamental truth found not just among all the mystics but in the infallible teaching of the church. St. John there speaks regarding ***God’***s nature, which is infinite and incomprehensible by us. This quote has nothing to do with our own nature which is what the universal moral law is about. This quote says nothing of the moral law God has given us to obey as it is written into the natural design he has given us but an entirely different truth of our faith. Which mystic ever said that their understanding of God caused them to change the laws he had given to men? You seem to be implying this. Did st. John ever say that the moral law was different according to each person? That’s a lie whispered into the rebellious hearts of modern men by the devil. It is as far from the truths taught by the mystics as one can go–they, who utterly subjected their personal will to God and gave their complete obedience to the church to their very ends.St John of the Cross (Catholic Mystic):
"Sometimes God favors advanced souls through what they hear, see, or understand - and sometimes independently of this - with sublime knowledge by which they receive understanding or experience of the height and grandeur of God. Their experience of God in this favor is so lofty that they understand clearly that everything remains to be understood. This understand and experience that the divinity is so immense as to surpass complete understanding is indeed a sublime knowledge.
One of the outstanding favors God grants briefly in this life is an understanding and experience of himself so lucid and lofty that one comes to know clearly that God cannot be completely understood or experienced. This understanding is somewhat like that of the Blessed in heaven: Those who understand God more understand more distinctly the infinitude that remains to be understood; those who see less of him do not realize so clearly what remains to be seen."
You are misunderstanding or misrepresenting St. John. It is clear from your own quote that the “EVERYTHING” st John refers to is the Divinity, the nature of God, “the understanding of himself”.As the mystics say…To few it is given to understand that EVERYTHING remains to be understood.
No one here has claimed that this or any other teaching is the entire truth. However, it still the truth. You are trying to say that it may not be the truth for some people. This is a lie. It’s another way of saying that everybody gets to make up their own right and wrong, not God. Or that everybody can free themselves from God’s laws according to their personal judgement. Both are lies.I do not question that THE TRUTH does not change. I do question any assertion or certitude that a particular or present understanding is in fact THE ENTIRE TRUTH. This type of certainty is the opposite of faith.
God will be at the gay wedding…loving the participants into the moment and using each and every situation in their lives to call them into his Love. Those who love them, eg. their parents, siblings, relatives and friends, Catholic or not, should in joy celebrate the love they have found for each other and gladly attend. By loving the couple as they are and where they are those that attend will plant the seeds that point to a love that is unconditional and always present in their lives.Ok, Go ahead. Construct a situation in which a Catholic SHOULD attend a gay wedding.
I can’t wait for this!
People choose to be free-mason’s. People are born Gay. Even Church herself admits that the “Psychological origins” are unknown…that’s the truth.No one here has claimed that this or any other teaching is the entire truth. However, it still the truth. You are trying to say that it may not be the truth for some people. This is a lie. It’s another way of saying that everybody gets to make up their own right and wrong, not God. Or that everybody can free themselves from God’s laws according to their personal judgement. Both are lies.
As to the gay wedding, the church has already taught that it is evil. Attending it is no different than attending any other ceremony declared so by the church, like a free-mason service.