Homosexual wedding

[carn]

It is clear that people are born Gay and so we get to love them as they are instead of how, in our finite selves, we “believe” they should be.

I am born with a desire to watch naked women (Proof: i am a man.), so its fine to watch porn?

Wait, its not fine?

But i am born that way. Who are you to tell me, that a desire i am born with is wrong to pursue?

 

[bilop]

Assume A and his married friends B1 and B2 are invited to a homosexual wedding. B1 and B2 have small children, age 3, 5 and 7 and unfortunately although not yet alcoholics have the habit of drinking far too much, the last festivity B1 and B2 attended with their children ended with B1 and B2 passing out around 1 am in the morning and their 7-year old child managing to call A via selecting his name on the parents mobile. A of course at once drove to the festivity and picked up the shivering, horribly tired and frightened children who did not understand why mommy and daddy fell asleep without going home first.

Of course A suggests leaving the children with him, but B1 and B2 decline this, claiming that one of them will drink only a little bit, so they can make it home safe. A is rather uncertain about the reliability of this promise. Torn between informing authorities (maybe a too drastic step, it happen once and they promised it would not happen again), risking that this time the 7-year old might fail to make the call and showing support for the homosexual wedding in attending and not telling anybody (maybe except B1 and B2) he is only there to protect the B’s children from harm (which of course would be deeply shameful for B1 and B2 and might lead to loosening them as friends and any possibility to help them), A decides that while his outward posture of willingly and without grave reason attending the homosexual marriage might be reason for scandal, his actual intent of protecting the children makes attending the homosexual wedding the least problematic course of action and formally accepts the invitation, attends the wedding and is

a) sinning
b) not sinning
c) a ridicolous unrealistic scenario far beyond being even remotely possible and should therefore not be even discussed (I select c, but this was just to show that there are few things for which “construct a scenario” challenge cannot be met)

He should not attend the “wedding”.

We may never sin so that good may come of the sin. Good ends never justify evil means.

God Bless

 

[bilop]

Now a more realistic scenario, A1 and A2 are married at least in respect to performing the outward actions in respect to church teaching (wedding in church etc.), three children. A1 and A2 were if to be put in a box agnostic prior wedding and some time afterwards with A1 having been raised as cafeteria catholic. Children not baptised.
A1 decides one day “Upps, being an agnostic is such a stupid error, realy sorry for that mistake, better try being a catholic”. A2, considering the catholic church to be a misogynic, child-abusing, hate-filled criminal organization being guilty of fighting enlightnment, women’s right and modenernity with torture and murder, is somewhat displeased at the decision. After some nice discussions spanning over a few months covering interesting topics like divorce, “you are endangering my children by taking them there” (meaning mass), “why cant it be protestants? they are not that criminal”, “they brainwashed you, but they will not have my children in their evil claws”, “And what about my brother and your sister? They are evil now for you?” (both being homosexual), “you hurt me so much by going to church” a somewhat unstable armistice about the issues is formed with A1 sometimes gaining permission to attend mass with the children (though baptism is still a no-go area).

If the brother of A2 would now decide to “marry” his homosexual partner of many years, how should A1 deal with the problem that saying to A2 “Sorry, you can go, but i won’t and the children shouldn’t attend either” might be interpreted by A2 as a new declaration of war with the consequence of a new round of interesting discussions? With more or less silent dissent attending the farce, especially the permission to take the children to church sometimes would not be endangered.

A1 should not attend the “wedding”. See previous post.

God Bless

 

[bilop]

People choose to be free-mason’s. People are born Gay. Even Church herself admits that the “Psychological origins” are unknown…that’s the truth.

People are also born with predispositions towards adultery, theft, murder, etc. Doesn’t make those things right either.

God Bless

 

[carn]

He should not attend the wedding.

God Bless

Seriously?
The risk that the parents are passing out from alcohol and a 3, 5 and 7 year old are left without any adult caring for them in a for them unknown location with drunken adults of unknown character cannot mitigate going there?

Couldn’t he get somehow of the hook, for example going there and say to the “couple” in private “I am here to make sure that B’s children are fine, in case they again drink too much. What you do is wrong, so please keep meout of it as far as possible.”. Or declaring that openly? (Thereby risking frindship with B)

edit:
Regarding sin, his intent has clearly nothing to do with homosexual wedding. He goes there to protect the children. Why is it still a sin?

 

[bilop]

Seriously?
The risk that the parents are passing out from alcohol and a 3, 5 and 7 year old are left without any adult caring for them in a for them unknown location with drunken adults of unknown character cannot mitigate going there?

Couldn’t he get somehow of the hook, for example going there and say to the “couple” in private “I am here to make sure that B’s children are fine, in case they again drink too much. What you do is wrong, so please keep meout of it as far as possible.”. Or declaring that openly? (Thereby risking frindship with B)

edit:
Regarding sin, his intent has clearly nothing to do with homosexual wedding. He goes there to protect the children. Why is it still a sin?

If he’s concerned about them driving drunk, he is free to drop them off and pick them up afterwards.

If the parents pass out during the wedding, surely there will be plenty of other guests to watch out for the children, and call a cab, or CPS as appropriate.

But, if we were to take your argument, where does this obligation end? Does this guy have to spend his whole life following these parents around, ensuring they care for their children? If these parents are such a danger, he should call CPS right away, and have their children taken away from them until they get help.

God Bless

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

God will be at the gay wedding…loving the participants into the moment and using each and every situation in their lives to call them into his Love. Those who love them, eg. their parents, siblings, relatives and friends, Catholic or not, should in joy celebrate the love they have found for each other and gladly attend. By loving the couple as they are and where they are those that attend will plant the seeds that point to a love that is unconditional and always present in their lives.

That which is true must be true always, everywhere, and for all people. Just because you don’t endorse Gay marriage doesn’t make that truth. It is clear that people are born Gay and so we get to love them as they are instead of how, in our finite selves, we “believe” they should be. Loving them includes granting them access to medical services, visitation rights and all other benefits granted in society to people in committed, legal relationship. In civilized society this is done via legal marriage - whether blessed by the church or not.

You can choose to maintain oppositional energy…however all over the world Gay marriage is being accepted and made legal to defuse hatred, discrimination and the evil sentiment in those that would claim to know the mind of God.

So, no. You can’t construct a scenario.
It is obvious you are pushing an agenda. Just because you say something is true does not make it true.

When you say things like

Just because you don’t endorse Gay marriage doesn’t make that truth.

And

You can choose to maintain oppositional energy…however all over the world Gay marriage is being accepted and made legal to defuse hatred, discrimination and the evil sentiment in those that would claim to know the mind of God

and

It is clear that people are born Gay and so we get to love them as they are instead of how, in our finite selves, we “believe” they should be.

You are really showing that you believe the propaganda rather than the Church.
You can sell moral relativism somewhere else.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

People choose to be free-mason’s. People are born Gay. Even Church herself admits that the “Psychological origins” are unknown…that’s the truth.

When you say things like “even the Church” you are showing your bias.
In poker it is called a tell.

 

[DMC12]

God will be at the gay wedding…loving the participants into the moment and using each and every situation in their lives to call them into his Love. Those who love them, eg. their parents, siblings, relatives and friends, Catholic or not, should in joy celebrate the love they have found for each other and gladly attend. By loving the couple as they are and where they are those that attend will plant the seeds that point to a love that is unconditional and always present in their lives.

Of course God will be there loving them, but not their actions. and about using every action to call them to His love i think that is true, but that does not means that He will support their marriage, just that He will try to save them, make them look at their mistakes(in this case their marriage) and show them the right way, that is what I think.

 

[Thinking10]

“homosexual wedding”

Considering a wedding is meant to celebrate the joining of the sexes, I wouldn’t even consider that a wedding. To wed means to join together, does it not? In the case of a homosexual wedding, nothing is being joined in any kind of union.

Think of the analogy of a lamp and a light bulb. When the lightbulb is joined together with a lamp, they become one unit and together produce light. You can’t join two lightbulbs together however, they aren’t meant to receive another copy of themselves. They can’t be joined, and they produce nothing together.

 

[tskrobacz]

From all eternity God eternally contemplated who the gay person would be and so made him (or her) in his image…and it is very good.

The True Self, who we objectively are in God, is prior and superior to any issues of gender, culture, or sexuality, which are all “accidental” to one’s foundational core as a child of God. This is why it is pure heresy to call a transgendered, gay or lesbian person “Intrinsically disordered.” The intrinsic foundation of the human person is given by God and untouchable by any human intervention whatsoever.

The CCC instructs that gay people "must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided.

Be cautious as many here that claim to be “Catholic” would have you discriminate and stand in support of legal restrictions that result in injustices for health care, taxes, and other societal services and benefits freely given to non-gays. Their argument is that this is just discrimination and that they are not really required to follow the Church’s teaching to “accept” the person as they are. Such is the diabolical nature of evil.

 

[bilop]

From all eternity God eternally contemplated who the gay person would be and so made him (or her) in his image…and it is very good.

The True Self, who we objectively are in God, is prior and superior to any issues of gender, culture, or sexuality, which are all “accidental” to one’s foundational core as a child of God. This is why it is pure heresy to call a transgendered, gay or lesbian person “Intrinsically disordered.” The intrinsic foundation of the human person is given by God and untouchable by any human intervention whatsoever.

The CCC instructs that gay people "must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided.

Be cautious as many here that claim to be “Catholic” would have you discriminate and stand in support of legal restrictions that result in injustices for health care, taxes, and other societal services and benefits freely given to non-gays. Their argument is that this is just discrimination and that they are not really required to follow the Church’s teaching to “accept” the person as they are. Such is the diabolical nature of evil.

Quite frankly, this is bunk.

You can just as easily say: “From all eternity God eternally contemplated who the adulterer/thief/murderer would be and so made him (or her) in his image…and it is very good.”

The person may be good; the sin is not.

God Bless

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

From all eternity God eternally contemplated who the gay person would be and so made him (or her) in his image…and it is very good.

The True Self, who we objectively are in God, is prior and superior to any issues of gender, culture, or sexuality, which are all “accidental” to one’s foundational core as a child of God. This is why it is pure heresy to call a transgendered, gay or lesbian person “Intrinsically disordered.” The intrinsic foundation of the human person is given by God and untouchable by any human intervention whatsoever.

The CCC instructs that gay people "must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided.

Be cautious as many here that claim to be “Catholic” would have you discriminate and stand in support of legal restrictions that result in injustices for health care, taxes, and other societal services and benefits freely given to non-gays. Their argument is that this is just discrimination and that they are not really required to follow the Church’s teaching to “accept” the person as they are. Such is the diabolical nature of evil.

That is the most selective understanding of theology I have ever seen.

Do you ever stop and think about the logic of your thoughts?

Moral relativism and gays as an oppressed “race” are fabrications. You are being fed and regurgitating lies.
Such is the diabolical nature of evil.

 

[vincent10395]

Is it a sin for a catholic to attend a homosexual wedding?
God bless!

By going you give your witness to something that is against the Church.

God Bless!

 

[One_point]

From all eternity God eternally contemplated who the gay person would be and so made him (or her) in his image…and it is very good.

The True Self, who we objectively are in God, is prior and superior to any issues of gender, culture, or sexuality, which are all “accidental” to one’s foundational core as a child of God. This is why it is pure heresy to call a transgendered, gay or lesbian person “Intrinsically disordered.” The intrinsic foundation of the human person is given by God and untouchable by any human intervention whatsoever.

The CCC instructs that gay people "must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided.

Be cautious as many here that claim to be “Catholic” would have you discriminate and stand in support of legal restrictions that result in injustices for health care, taxes, and other societal services and benefits freely given to non-gays. Their argument is that this is just discrimination and that they are not really required to follow the Church’s teaching to “accept” the person as they are. Such is the diabolical nature of evil.

You are calling christianity evil. have you read of the fall? have you read of concupiscence? Do you think Anyone needs grace at all o’r are we all ok just as we are? we are all loved and called to be children of God and we are also all of us intrinsically disordered. So that we desperately need grace even to choose God or truth. Please stop speaking for the church in half measures. Tell us what she teaches about homosexual unions?

 

[Nelka]

Is it a sin for a catholic to attend a homosexual wedding?
God bless!

Probably.

I wouldn’t want to go to one.

 

[tskrobacz]

You are calling christianity evil. have you read of the fall? have you read of concupiscence? Do you think Anyone needs grace at all o’r are we all ok just as we are? we are all loved and called to be children of God and we are also all of us intrinsically disordered. So that we desperately need grace even to choose God or truth. Please stop speaking for the church in half measures. Tell us what she teaches about homosexual unions?

I am not calling christianity evil…I am calling those that hide behind Catholicism or Christianity evil when they do not consider the individual, family or situation but instead make blanket, black and white declarations of what they perceive to be God’s will or what they interpret to be the Church’s teaching. Everyone is in need of God’s grace, everyone. To practice non-acceptance of the gay person and withhold Love is in no way loving them or those that care for them. From the posts here it would appear that some would prefer to fight to save a murderer from the death penalty then show up in love for a son or daughter, brother or sister, that is choosing a same sex marriage. As Jesus says…we “strain out gnats and swallow camels!”

Love requires relationship and participation. The OP and others here would prefer non-participation and separation from the wedding event (the very definition of Sin) as a way of telling someone they are loved or worse yet sending a message of judgement.

 

[Corki]

From all eternity God eternally contemplated who the gay person would be and so made him (or her) in his image…and it is very good.

The True Self, who we objectively are in God, is prior and superior to any issues of gender, culture, or sexuality, which are all “accidental” to one’s foundational core as a child of God. This is why it is pure heresy to call a transgendered, gay or lesbian person “Intrinsically disordered.” The intrinsic foundation of the human person is given by God and untouchable by any human intervention whatsoever.

The CCC instructs that gay people "must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided.

Be cautious as many here that claim to be “Catholic” would have you discriminate and stand in support of legal restrictions that result in injustices for health care, taxes, and other societal services and benefits freely given to non-gays. Their argument is that this is just discrimination and that they are not really required to follow the Church’s teaching to “accept” the person as they are. Such is the diabolical nature of evil.

Of course we are called to accept the person as he/she is. But we are also called to condemn evil acts and not to cooperate with sin.

Throwing out “discrimination” is a red herring. First of all, discrimination is not bad. Discrimination simply means choosing and having reasons for your choices. Unjust discrimination is discrimination that devalues** the person**. The only unjust discrimination related to activities would be discrimination** against **moral acts. Discrimination against immoral acts is never unjust. Getting married is an act. Getting married to someone of the same sex is an objectively immoral act.

You are correct, that there might be some** very specific **family circumstance where attending a same-sex wedding might not be sinful. But those circumstances would be so rare and remote that it would be dangerous to make that determination without spiritual direction from a very good priest.

 

[Bookcat]

You are correct, that there might be some** very specific **family circumstance where attending a same-sex wedding might not be sinful. But those circumstances would be so rare and remote that it would be dangerous to make that determination without spiritual direction from a very good priest.

Lets see – I suppose if they tied me up and dragged me there…

 

[Bookcat]

Catechism of the Catholic Church

1868 Sin is a personal act. Moreover, we have a responsibility for the sins committed by others when we cooperate in them:

• by participating directly and voluntarily in them;
• by ordering, advising, praising, or approving them;
• by not disclosing or not hindering them when we have an obligation to do so;
• by protecting evil-doers.

vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM

Chastity and homosexuality

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,140 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."141 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity.** Under no circumstances** can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial.** They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity.** Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.