HomoSexuality a Mental Disorder

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lets say for the sake of arguement that homesexuality and gender identity disorder are mental disorders. how does one cure those disoders? I keeping hearing from a few that they are and and those disorders nead to be treated. well I want to hear how , since this is print on a computer, Im all eyes.
First off, much depends on what the person afflicted with this pscyhological disorder is looking for – from re-orientation to simply being able to manage and live serenely with the disordered sexual attraction in a chaste and non-distressing manner. This may not necesaarily entail a “cure” of the disorder. Again, there is need for further research into the etilology, course and treatment of SSA as a psychological disorder.
 
Well the most basic definition of a mental illness is that it must cause either impairment or distress to the individual or I think others also. So I would think homosexuality can meet this requirement.
I experience ssa. It doesn’t cause me any impairment or distress so there goes that theory.
 
I experience ssa. It doesn’t cause me any impairment or distress so there goes that theory.
So if a person afflicted with a predominent SSA reports an absence of distress or life impairment, there is no longer the basis for having a psychological disorder? Does this likewise apply to pedophilia, or for that manner any other sexually perverse tendency in which the individual feels no personal or life impairment problem with the affliction?
 
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A theory on why a person like me would be attracted to the same sex. The usual theories from orientation changers usually run along the lines of “sexual abuse, or no attatchment to the same sex parent”. You know, something that damaged them.
Personally I think the orientation changers are ridiculous, but that’s just my opinion. I don’t really care, as long as people who are attracted to their own sex aren’t forced to try and change their orientation.
Same here.
Have you yet read those three article attachments I presented to you earlier this thread? I would appreciate your thoughts if you care to share.
 
I got an error message from the links.

However, I think it suffices to say that, while I follow Church teachings, I disagree with some of them. So I don’t think you’ll feel like holding me up as a good example of a Catholic bisexual.
 
It depends upon what you mean by “a Catholic bisexual” and “disagree”.
First off, I’m not looking for a debate, or criticism. This is me being honest about something that I have to keep somewhat hidden, so that I can avoid being shunned or rejected by family and other people that I have to deal with. I may be at peace with myself, but not everyone else would be.

I can only define the terms by myself, since I’m talking about myself. Catholic bisexual, well, I’m Catholic. Baptized, confirmed, still regularly going to church, doing my best to be a faithful Catholic, and I’m bisexual, I am attracted to both men and women, not just in a physical way, either. Relationships are built on more than physical attraction, and I would love to have a relationship with a woman, if I was single. But, since I am a Catholic, I’m not allowed to have a relationship with a woman. I never have. I’ve also never come in contact with a woman who was attracted to me. I’m getting married to a man, so this issue doesn’t matter(for me). The only way it could come up again is if my fiance died. But, before I ever met him, I realized the Church was far too important to me to ever leave, and I couldn’t allow myself to stay in the Church and be hypocritical, no matter what I felt or how much it hurt. And, of course, there was the fear of hell.

Disagree means I disagree with some of the things the Church says. I don’t see anything wrong or disordered with someone who is homosexual or bisexual. It’s just the way some people are. I see nothing wrong with commited relationships.

As for the links, I can’t say I find any of it comforting. She’s taking the stance that homosexuality is a problem or disorder, and I don’t agree. If she was able to find a way to live her life in the way she sees best, then good for her. And I don’t doubt that there are people who live homosexual lives who may have mental problems. But you can’t generalize everyone who behaves in one way as having the same causes for their behavior. And I’m still trying to find any semblance of myself in her representations of women with same sex attraction. I don’t have issues with identifying myself as female. And I don’t have a fear of men. I’m very emotional, and I can be a very typical woman at times.I was never abused sexually. I just love people. Men, women, they can both be so incredibly wonderful. What’s so horrible about that?
 
Under well documented lobbying pressure from the gay activists, homosexuality as a mental disorder was removed from the American Psychiatric Association Diagnostic and Statistical Manual for mental disorders.
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Thanks for bringing this up. The original question was if there was any scientific evidence whether homosexuality was a “disorder”. There are plenty of people claiming contradicting “evidence” on this issue from both sides of the issue. It is important to go to a neutral, well-respected organization that does truly scientific studies.

The American Psychiatric Association has come out stating that homosexuality is NOT a disorder. It is probably the most respected organization in this field.

Just a question. If gays comprise about 3% of the population,(and most of us are not activists) how do we have so much power that we influence a well known medical organization’s policy?

My own opinion, of course, is not unbiased. I know there are gays who are disordered, but there are also disordered straight people. I personally am not disordered (if I must say so myself.) Some of the finest, most compassionate people I know are gay. Feeling a need to tack a lable on us as “ill” is another form of discrimination and is based on fear. Fear of what I have no idea. (I’ve go to say, I’m really not all that scary)

Tu Amigo, Pablo
 
If same sex attraction were a mental disorder it would require some ongoing treatment. Since it does not it does not fit the bill.
 
Just a note to add something I missed on my previous post.

The American Psychiatric Association removed the classification of homosexuality as a “disorder” in 1973. Somehow the discussion made it seem like it was a recent change in understanding.
 
First off, I’m not looking for a debate, or criticism. This is me being honest about something that I have to keep somewhat hidden, so that I can avoid being shunned or rejected by family and other people that I have to deal with. I may be at peace with myself, but not everyone else would be.

I can only define the terms by myself, since I’m talking about myself. Catholic bisexual, well, I’m Catholic. Baptized, confirmed, still regularly going to church, doing my best to be a faithful Catholic, and I’m bisexual, I am attracted to both men and women, not just in a physical way, either. Relationships are built on more than physical attraction, and I would love to have a relationship with a woman, if I was single. But, since I am a Catholic, I’m not allowed to have a relationship with a woman. I never have. I’ve also never come in contact with a woman who was attracted to me. I’m getting married to a man, so this issue doesn’t matter(for me). The only way it could come up again is if my fiance died. But, before I ever met him, I realized the Church was far too important to me to ever leave, and I couldn’t allow myself to stay in the Church and be hypocritical, no matter what I felt or how much it hurt. And, of course, there was the fear of hell.

Disagree means I disagree with some of the things the Church says. I don’t see anything wrong or disordered with someone who is homosexual or bisexual. It’s just the way some people are. I see nothing wrong with commited relationships.
As a Catholic seeking honesty, you need to consider: Right and wrong is not a matter of personal opinion or experience; same sex attraction is not a good or neutral thing in itself; same gender romantic and “committed” relationships violate natural moral law and the dignity of the person made in the image and likeness of God.

Instead of focusing on what you are prohibited from partaking in as a Catholic, I suggest that you commit yourself to prayer that God will reveal the fullness of His love and truth to you in this matter. As the article author pointed out, our heavenly mother Mary is the perfect role model and intercedes for those who seek her assistance in this area.
As for the links, I can’t say I find any of it comforting. She’s taking the stance that homosexuality is a problem or disorder, and I don’t agree. If she was able to find a way to live her life in the way she sees best, then good for her. And I don’t doubt that there are people who live homosexual lives who may have mental problems. But you can’t generalize everyone who behaves in one way as having the same causes for their behavior. And I’m still trying to find any semblance of myself in her representations of women with same sex attraction. I don’t have issues with identifying myself as female. And I don’t have a fear of men. I’m very emotional, and I can be a very typical woman at times.I was never abused sexually. I just love people. Men, women, they can both be so incredibly wonderful. What’s so horrible about that?
God does not leave us alone to do what we see as best. If this was the case, He never would have sent His Son Jesus to die for us. Rather Jesus came to show us “the way, and the truth, and the life” (John 14: 6), and that our joy may be full – “As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you; abide in my love. If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commandments and abide in his love. These things I have spoken to you, that my joy may be in you, and that your joy may be full.” (John 15: 9-11).

Like any authentic relationship based on the truth of our beings, with Jesus there is no less a mutual expectation and demand of love. There is nothing incredibly wonderful about violating the inherent dignity and truth about another with a lie, but is indeed a horrible thing.
 
It is important to go to a neutral, well-respected organization that does truly scientific studies.

The American Psychiatric Association has come out stating that homosexuality is NOT a disorder. It is probably the most respected organization in this field.

Just a question. If gays comprise about 3% of the population,(and most of us are not activists) how do we have so much power that we influence a well known medical organization’s policy?

My own opinion, of course, is not unbiased. I know there are gays who are disordered, but there are also disordered straight people. I personally am not disordered (if I must say so myself.) Some of the finest, most compassionate people I know are gay. Feeling a need to tack a lable on us as “ill” is another form of discrimination and is based on fear. Fear of what I have no idea. (I’ve go to say, I’m really not all that scary)

Tu Amigo, Pablo
Labeling (or having professionally diagnosed) a set of symptoms as a psychological/mental/medical condition/disorder/disease is a basis for extending empathy, compassion and support to the one so afflicted. As Catholics we have natural moral law to guide and direct identifying what is disordered and left to its own devise detracts or attacks at the welfare of the person so afflicted. The real “fear” at hand here is knowing the truth and guiding compassionate support and resources along those lines.
 
If same sex attraction were a mental disorder it would require some ongoing treatment. Since it does not it does not fit the bill.
It is important to remember that the person is the not the condition, and visa versa; even though we are made as sexual beings.
 
Just a note to add something I missed on my previous post.

The American Psychiatric Association removed the classification of homosexuality as a “disorder” in 1973. Somehow the discussion made it seem like it was a recent change in understanding.
Here are a couple of articles discussing the removal of homosexuality as a psychological disoerder from the DSM:

catholicsocialscientists.org/Symposium2–Nicolosi–mss.htm

narth.com/docs/normalization.html
 
Setter, I know the Church’s teachings. Very well, in fact. I don’t need you to remind me of them. I’ve tried to accept them, and I find them illogical. I do try to change this, I spend a lot of time trying to allow Catholic materials to convince me, and so far no luck. I do follow them, though, as far as I can(it’s rather hard to not have my breath taken away by the beautiful girl who walks past me when i’m shopping, just like it’s hard to not forget everything that I was doing when I see an attractive male). But I really don’t want to get too into this.
 
Just because I’m bisexual doesn’t mean I don’t understand commitment. Of course I’m prepared to be faithful. Why would being bisexual imply that I’d have more difficulty being faithful? And my fiance knows all about it, we tell each other everything.

A theory on why a person like me would be attracted to the same sex. The usual theories from orientation changers usually run along the lines of “sexual abuse, or no attatchment to the same sex parent”. You know, something that damaged them.

Personally I think the orientation changers are ridiculous, but that’s just my opinion. I don’t really care, as long as people who are attracted to their own sex aren’t forced to try and change their orientation.
Environmental factors - hormones.

They are found to leach from plastics, and are put in the food supply. Lavender and tea tree oil in shampoo cause boys to grow breasts. Pesticides and other chemicals should be looked at. Even soy milk has been implicated.

Now look at the blurring of gender which causes confusion.

Homosexuality occurs at a rate of 7x more in males than females. In many cases it happens because there is no father in the home.

And concupiscience.
 
As an ex-bisexual, i think talking of homosexuality/bisexuality as a mental disorder is too extreme. It’s the same type of thing as jealousy. You don’t choose to feel that way- yet you do and it leads to sinful behaviour.
 
Setter, I know the Church’s teachings. Very well, in fact. I don’t need you to remind me of them. I’ve tried to accept them, and I find them illogical. I do try to change this, I spend a lot of time trying to allow Catholic materials to convince me, and so far no luck.
Not to be quip sounding, but take the apparent illogic to the foot of the cross in prayer and prayer for the Holy Spirit to convince you and to be open to being enlightened in your understanding. The work of conversion is ultimately God’s and not ours.

1432 The human heart is heavy and hardened. God must give man a new heart. Conversion is first of all a work of the grace of God who makes our hearts return to him: “Restore us to thyself, O LORD, that we may be restored!” God gives us the strength to begin anew. It is in discovering the greatness of God’s love that our heart is shaken by the horror and weight of sin and begins to fear offending God by sin and being separated from him. The human heart is converted by looking upon him whom our sins have pierced:

Let us fix our eyes on Christ’s blood and understand how precious it is to his Father, for, poured out for our salvation it has brought to the whole world the grace of repentance. (CCC)

1428 Christ’s call to conversion continues to resound in the lives of Christians. This *second conversion *is an uninterrupted task for the whole Church who, “clasping sinners to her bosom, [is] at once holy and always in need of purification, [and] follows constantly the path of penance and renewal.” This endeavor of conversion is not just a human work. It is the movement of a “contrite heart,” drawn and moved by grace to respond to the merciful love of God who loved us first. (CCC)

2000 Sanctifying grace is an habitual gift, a stable and supernatural disposition that perfects the soul itself to enable it to live with God, to act by his love. Habitual grace, the permanent disposition to live and act in keeping with God’s call, is distinguished from actual graces which refer to God’s interventions, whether at the beginning of conversion or in the course of the work of sanctification. (CCC)
I do follow them, though, as far as I can(it’s rather hard to not have my breath taken away by the beautiful girl who walks past me when i’m shopping, just like it’s hard to not forget everything that I was doing when I see an attractive male). But I really don’t want to get too into this.
Welcome to the club – You are talking about developing the virtue of *self-mastery *over our ordered and disordered sexual desires which is a primary task of chastity.

2339 Chastity includes an apprenticeship in self-mastery which is a training in human freedom. The alternative is clear: either man governs his passions and finds peace, or he lets himself be dominated by them and becomes unhappy. “Man’s dignity therefore requires him to act out of conscious and free choice, as moved and drawn in a personal way from within, and not by blind impulses in himself or by mere external constraint. Man gains such dignity when, ridding himself of all slavery to the passions, he presses forward to his goal by freely choosing what is good and, by his diligence and skill, effectively secures for himself the means suited to this end.” (CCC)

2342 Self-mastery is a long and exacting work. One can never consider it acquired once and for all. It presupposes renewed effort at all stages of life. The effort required can be more intense in certain periods, such as when the personality is being formed during childhood and adolescence. (CCC)

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection. (CCC)
 
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