Homosexuality and marriage

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I would disagree that it’s “falling out of favor”. True, a gene hasn’t been identified however. Why can one identical twin be manly and straight and the other effeminent and gay? They are raised exactly the same and share the same exact DNA don’t they? That’s the question I want to know because if a person is actually born gay then they are doomed to hell for being normal? That’s not the God of love I know. “Truth” is only what can be proven a fact. Religious truth is what you believe to be true.

People are born, what society would consider “normal” everday, so why can’t homosexuality be the result of something similar? I just don’t accept that people simply “choose” to be gay because no one chooses it. I didn’t nor did anyone I’ve ever asked that question of, gay or straight, say they did.
No, their DNA is not exactly the same.

We should focus on the design of males and females and their purpose. Hypothetically, if say a gay gene was found, it would be a corruption of the original. We are devolving 3-5% per generation.
 
I only deal in logic. When anyone demands that I prove a widely known fact that homosexual behavior is common in all animal species then he gets the ad hominems for being difficult. 😉

I brought up the fact about the animal kingdom because they are also created male and female for a specific purpose and yet they engage in homosexual acts all the time, sometimes to ejaculation. It begs the question “Why”?
Where is the evidence that suggest the animal kingdom is fraught with nothing but homosexuals? Because you suggest that with , “all the time,” and due to evidence I see all around me all the day long the animal world is populating itself through procreation quite well.

I would venture to guess they might do it because it is pleasurable. I mean that is why I struggled with masturbation for so long because it was sensual and pleasurable to me. It wasn’t that I loved my computer and wanted get married to it.

Plus they are subhuman beings who only suggest “certain” characteristics of humans. We shouldn’t look to the animal kingdom for the moral example of how to live our lives.
 
And you frankly speak drivel and the fact that you are probably shepherding souls to hell is hardly going to look good on your cv come judgment day. We should be charitable but when you have a Priest behaving like Judas you need to tell him to pipe down and warn him of Dante’s vision of hell which is populated by unfaithful priests right at the bottom. :eek:
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That’s the question I want to know because if a person is actually born gay then they are doomed to hell for being normal? That’s not the God of love I know. “Truth” is only what can be proven a fact. Religious truth is what you believe to be true.
This is confused in a few respects. First, EVEN IF homosexuality were entirely genetic, that would not make homosexuality normal. (Down’s Syndrome is not normal despite being a genetic defect.) Second, no one is doomed to hell for their genetic makeup. People are judged on the choices they make and the actions they take. Third, if you think the God you know is mis-described by the Apostle Paul and such saints as Augustine and Aquinas, you would be well advised to re-think your “knowledge.”
 
I only deal in logic. When anyone demands that I prove a widely known fact that homosexual behavior is common in all animal species then he gets the ad hominems for being difficult. 😉

I brought up the fact about the animal kingdom because they are also created male and female for a specific purpose and yet they engage in homosexual acts all the time, sometimes to ejaculation. It begs the question “Why”?
Do you have a source on which to base this statement. If so, please provide it.

Thanks.
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Back to homosexual acts observed among other species:

This would not make it right for people to do anymore than sexual intercourse without consent of the penetrated (-observed among several other species) would make it “natural”, or right or acceptable for a human being to do.
The same goes for killing one’s mate immediately after mating, which has been observed in the animal kingdom.
No other species is capable of reasoning about right and wrong. That is, no other creatures are moral beings. We are moral beings. We can do immoral things, while gut worms, for example, cannot. (They may do things it would be morally wrong for us to do, but they are neither moral nor immoral.)
 
Back to homosexual acts observed among other species:

This would not make it right for people to do anymore than sexual intercourse without consent of the penetrated (-observed among several other species) would make it “natural”, or right or acceptable for a human being to do.
The same goes for killing one’s mate immediately after mating, which has been observed in the animal kingdom.
No other species is capable of reasoning about right and wrong. That is, no other creatures are moral beings. We are moral beings. We can do immoral things, while gut worms, for example, cannot. (They may do things it would be morally wrong for us to do, but they are neither moral nor immoral.)
Indeed, it is an embarassingly poor argument which is often seen on the Facebook pages and twitter of otherwise intelligent people.
 
Indeed, it is an embarassingly poor argument which is often seen on the Facebook pages and twitter of otherwise intelligent people.
Speaking of that, I have a good friend who is a special ed teacher with who went to Bryn Mawr for her bachelor’s and Columbia for her Master’s: yesterday she ‘shared’ on Facebook a cartoon with the caption, ‘Jesus had two dads and he turned out fine.’ Words fail…
 
Speaking of that, I have a good friend who is a special ed teacher with who went to Bryn Mawr for her bachelor’s and Columbia for her Master’s: yesterday she ‘shared’ on Facebook a cartoon with the caption, ‘Jesus had two dads and he turned out fine.’ Words fail…
It’s amazing how these ‘soi-disant’ ‘critical thinkers’ are like lemmings and all follow their indoctrination classes in their ivory towers. They are all churned out in the same way i.e. morally skewed and arrogant (even if on the face of it they are nice enough people).
 
It’s amazing how these ‘soi-disant’ ‘critical thinkers’ are like lemmings and all follow their indoctrination classes in their ivory towers. They are all churned out in the same way i.e. morally skewed and arrogant (even if on the face of it they are nice enough people).
I’m less amazed by this the older I get. And I think the reason for that is this. When people are wrong about the nature of reality and truth, of what it means to be a human person, then they all tend to run into the same intellectual ditch.
 
Given that homosexual acts are inherently sterile means to me that they cannot be considered to be in accord with nature anywhere in the animal kingdom. Precisely because human nature is unique in God’s creation, any justification of human behavior based on animal behavior is fallaciously illogical.
The very fact that it’s quite common in animal species is the key. To ignore that detail is cherry picking.
 
Not a sinful act? Read the Catechism. As a catholic you should know better. Or are you being led astray by the wolves/rev dons in wolves clothing?
I “test” everything before I choose to agree with it. I do not blindly follow anyone or any group without putting every detail through the fire. That’s how I came to dispose of my Protestant faith in the first place. Since no definitive scientific proof has been found thus far to explain homosexuality then I use logic and reason with the brain God gave me. I choose to fully understand something before I can cast a judgement on it one way or another.

For instance, explain people born with both sexual organs (hermaphrodism). Since they are BORN with both sexes, which sex are they “naturally” to be attracted to? Are they an “abomination” for being born? If their parents “choose” a sex for them with surgery then are they homosexual if they are attracted to the same sex their parents chose? Further, if they can be born with genetic differences regarding sexuality then should homosexuality be seen in a similar light?
 
When you start comparing humans to gut worms, you have lost the argument.
I’m showing homosexual behavior is common in the animal kingdom. You can ignore any facts you choose. I’m simply pointing out it happens. I suppose if you choose to ignore evidence then you can always convince yourself your right though. :rolleyes:
 
Time for you to grow up and stop spouting fringe science just to make yourself feel important.
Grow up? So you condone a person insulting your intelligence by demanding proof for a well-known fact, as “fringe” as it may be to you? I simply pointed out a detail that hadn’t been brought up. Sorry but I don’t say things because of some need to “feel important”.

It also has nothing to do with my thoughts or my argument on why I feel homosexuality could be a birth trait rather than a decision one makes. If you can fully explain hermaphrodism to everyone then it would help me personally.
 
The very fact that it’s quite common in animal species is the key. To ignore that detail is cherry picking.
Please cite a credible source for this claim. I grew up on a farm. There was nothing common about animal homosexuality that I ever witnessed. Ignoring red herrings is a necessity of solid logic.
 
I’m showing homosexual behavior is common in the animal kingdom. You can ignore any facts you choose. I’m simply pointing out it happens. I suppose if you choose to ignore evidence then you can always convince yourself your right though. :rolleyes:
But what evidence? Share it please.

Again… you state it is so common but the continuation of species depends on “heterosexual” acts. And it seems the world is populating itself quite well.

Nature depends on it.

Further… even if homosexual behavior is running rampant throughout the entire animal kingdom as you suggest… we cannot equate that to “marriage” for homosexuals because you would have to prove that these animals are “choosing” to be gay for their life, and for “love.” Which I have to say is absurd.
 
I’m showing homosexual behavior is common in the animal kingdom. You can ignore any facts you choose. I’m simply pointing out it happens. I suppose if you choose to ignore evidence then you can always convince yourself your right though. :rolleyes:
I do not understand the animal kingdom argument. If I witness a chimpanzee take the bananas of another chimpanzee, does that mean stealing should be ok? Where do you draw the line?
 
Grow up? So you condone a person insulting your intelligence by demanding proof for a well-known fact, as “fringe” as it may be to you? I simply pointed out a detail that hadn’t been brought up. Sorry but I don’t say things because of some need to “feel important”.

It also has nothing to do with my thoughts or my argument on why I feel homosexuality could be a birth trait rather than a decision one makes. If you can fully explain hermaphrodism to everyone then it would help me personally.
The only person that thinks it’s a fact is you.
 
I do not understand the animal kingdom argument. If I witness a chimpanzee take the bananas of another chimpanzee, does that mean stealing should be ok? Where do you draw the line?
Apparently if some behavior occurs it must be acceptable simple because it occurs.
 
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