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Inocente Post 154 Quote: Besides isn’t any and every kind of sex an offense against chastity?

Chastity is a moral virtue which disposes us to be pure in soul and body it aids wisdom and develops strength of character. For the unmarried, chastity forbids the indulgence of the sexual appetite; for the married it regulates the use of that appetite in accordance with the dictates of right reason. It is wrong to suppose that chastity is not a virtue for the married. God requires chastity from everyone in all states of life. A chaste marriage is the basis of the Christian family let us form the habit of temperance in all things, so as to strengthen our self control “Walk in the Spirit and you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.” (Gal 5:l6) Chastity is called the Angelic virtue The moral virtue of Chastity is called a fruit of the Spirit.
 
Please explain how it is relativist or subjectivist to say that “do not commit adultery” cannot be read as a universal call to chastity.
That’s not what you said.

You said:
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Besides, isn’t any and every kind of sex an offense against chastity?
Your flippant attitude here demonstrates that you already have found the duty to chastity ridiculous while ignoring not only Christ’s words but what the Church means by it.

And the comment itself, the invective that your opponent must absolutely reject sex to be chaste, is always proof of the most irrational relativism/subjectivism.
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Please explain how “do not commit adultery” is anything other than what is says.
No. The question is that is “adultery” the only sexual sin addressed in Scripture?

And is Christ a minimalist God?
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Please don’t keep saying read the CCC. I’ve read it, and I cannot make it say anything like “do not commit adultery” is a universal call to chastity.
You don’t have to, it says so itself.

You’re simply trying to make one and the other mutually exclusive when they’re not.
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I don’t appreciate being called dishonest for not comprehending what appears to me to be a totally irrational argument. Please at least try to make some sense rather than just calling me names.
I never called you dishonest. And you’re clearly clever enough to comprehend the words of the section regarding the sixth commandment and human chastity. Let’s stop pretending that you don’t know that what is said in the Catechism is in fact said and only look at paragraphs in isolation when they are part of a whole theology.

Ignoring those paragraphs which contradict your views but which are integral to the whole picture of human sexuality, that speaks for itself.
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I never held it to ridicule, it’s still there on the thread, it’s only a few posts back. I said “And CCC 2356 is about rape. What that has to do with the price of bread I’ve no idea.”
It has everything to do with it if you’re trying to insist that there is only one slice in a loaf.
 
Chastity is a moral virtue which disposes us to be pure in soul and body it aids wisdom and develops strength of character. For the unmarried, chastity forbids the indulgence of the sexual appetite; for the married it regulates the use of that appetite in accordance with the dictates of right reason. It is wrong to suppose that chastity is not a virtue for the married. God requires chastity from everyone in all states of life. A chaste marriage is the basis of the Christian family let us form the habit of temperance in all things, so as to strengthen our self control “Walk in the Spirit and you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.” (Gal 5:l6) Chastity is called the Angelic virtue The moral virtue of Chastity is called a fruit of the Spirit.
Thanks, but it doesn’t explain why “do not commit adultery” can be unilaterally extended to “do not commit any unchaste act” as I’m being asked to believe.

It doesn’t on the CCC definition either (“2337 Chastity means the successful integration of sexuality within the person and thus the inner unity of man in his bodily and spiritual being”) nor the Catholic Encyclopedia (“Chastity is the virtue which excludes or moderates the indulgence of the sexual appetite”) nor a typical secular definition (“the quality or state of being chaste: as (a) abstention from unlawful sexual intercourse, (b) abstention from all sexual intercourse, (c) purity in conduct and intention or (d) restraint and simplicity in design or expression”).

(Remembering that the Catholic Encyclopedia defines adultery more or less the same as secular dictionaries “carnal connection between a married person and one unmarried, or between a married person and the spouse of another. It is seen to differ from fornication in that it supposes the marriage of one or both of the agents”).

On that definition, “do not commit adultery” doesn’t include “do not commit fornication”. Therefore, since fornication is unchaste, “do not commit adultery” cannot mean “do not commit any unchaste act”, no matter how many names I’m called in attempts to intimidate me.

The claim which started this also fails - “do not commit adultery” cannot mean “do not have sex which intends to avoid the production of children, or in which that result would be impossible”.
 
That’s not what you said.

You said:

Your flippant attitude here demonstrates that you already have found the duty to chastity ridiculous while ignoring not only Christ’s words but what the Church means by it.

And the comment itself, the invective that your opponent must absolutely reject sex to be chaste, is always proof of the most irrational relativism/subjectivism.

No. The question is that is “adultery” the only sexual sin addressed in Scripture?

And is Christ a minimalist God?

You don’t have to, it says so itself.

You’re simply trying to make one and the other mutually exclusive when they’re not.

I never called you dishonest. And you’re clearly clever enough to comprehend the words of the section regarding the sixth commandment and human chastity. Let’s stop pretending that you don’t know that what is said in the Catechism is in fact said and only look at paragraphs in isolation when they are part of a whole theology.

Ignoring those paragraphs which contradict your views but which are integral to the whole picture of human sexuality, that speaks for itself.

It has everything to do with it if you’re trying to insist that there is only one slice in a loaf.
You said I am not being intellectually honest which is saying I’m being dishonest.

I asked you to explain why you think “do not commit adultery” is anything other than what is says, but instead all you’ve done is use it as an opportunity to make more personal comments. In general the reason why people engage in ad hominem is that they don’t have any good arguments.

Do you have anything to say that is relevant to the OP?
 
You said I am not being intellectually honest which is saying I’m being dishonest.
No, its not.

From Wikipedia:

Intellectual honesty*is an applied method of problem solving, characterized by an unbiased, honest attitude, which can be demonstrated in a number of different ways, including but not limited to:

One’s personal beliefs do not interfere with the pursuit of truth;

Relevant facts and information are not purposefully omitted even when such things may contradict one’s*hypothesis.

Facts are presented in an unbiased manner, and not twisted to give misleading impressions or to support one view over another;

References, or earlier work, are acknowledged where possible, and plagiarism*is avoided.

The distinction between that and calling you “dishonest” is that I can’t prove your intent to deceive, you’re not intentionally making a fallacious argument.

But you are omitting things from the discussion which are entirely relevant, even though you don’t possess the ability to intuit it.

Honesty demands that you look at all the data, not just the data that “makes sense”.

See the difference?
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I asked you to explain why you think “do not commit adultery” is anything other than what is says, but instead all you’ve done is use it as an opportunity to make more personal comments. In general the reason why people engage in ad hominem is that they don’t have any good arguments.
And for much of the same reason people make objective criticism of a particular point a red herring by claiming it is a personal attack in order to distract from the truth of the criticism.
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Do you have anything to say that is relevant to the OP?
Homosexual acts simply cannot “work” according to the natural law.
 
It’s not magic it’s common sense. The section explicitly refers to the universal call to chastity. Adultery is one of many offenses against chastity, just as masturbation, fornication, and homosexual acts are as well.

The Catechism says more than that. You can’t just pick out only those things which are bias to your perspective while ignoring the rest.

They may have meant 2357 and following, it’s right under 2356. Easy to find since its the next paragraph with the large heading “Chastity and Homosexuality”.
Yes, it was a typo. My lighting isn’t the best.

Linus2nd
 
Thanks, but it doesn’t explain why “do not commit adultery” can be unilaterally extended to “do not commit any unchaste act” as I’m being asked to believe.

It doesn’t on the CCC definition either (“2337 Chastity means the successful integration of sexuality within the person and thus the inner unity of man in his bodily and spiritual being”) nor the Catholic Encyclopedia (“Chastity is the virtue which excludes or moderates the indulgence of the sexual appetite”) nor a typical secular definition (“the quality or state of being chaste: as (a) abstention from unlawful sexual intercourse, (b) abstention from all sexual intercourse, (c) purity in conduct and intention or (d) restraint and simplicity in design or expression”).

(Remembering that the Catholic Encyclopedia defines adultery more or less the same as secular dictionaries “carnal connection between a married person and one unmarried, or between a married person and the spouse of another. It is seen to differ from fornication in that it supposes the marriage of one or both of the agents”).

On that definition, “do not commit adultery” doesn’t include “do not commit fornication”. Therefore, since fornication is unchaste, “do not commit adultery” cannot mean “do not commit any unchaste act”, no matter how many names I’m called in attempts to intimidate me.

The claim which started this also fails - “do not commit adultery” cannot mean “do not have sex which intends to avoid the production of children, or in which that result would be impossible”.
Adultery applies to being unfaithful to the married partner Sex now becomes not a means of grace, but of sin. Why commit adultery if it wasn’t the desire to commit a lustful act with someone other than ones partner Jesus himself that if a man looks at a woman with lust in his heart he has already committed adultery, so God himself links adultery to lust.
An unchaste act is unchaste because it is impure, an act against chastity, an impure act is impure because it is lustful.
What are the motivations involved in committing adultery, and having sex which intends to avoid the production of children or which the result would be impossible…

Relief of the biological drive whether it involves illicit love, or just relief which under normal conditions involves pleasure for both parties ( unlawful parties) Lust comes with many names, and its all sin against the 6th an 9th commands.

Why have sex that makes having children impossible? If it is sex outside of marriage it is a sinful act, lust (not accusing anyone, just looking at the ethical and moral law) If it is in marriage, its avoiding God’s plan for the act, there is family planning, but it does not guarantee avoidance, and is natural. Deliberate avoidance but desiring sex then it must be for pleasure, so the motive is pleasure over responsibility, the act turns into lust The means to the end (and we are rational creatures that act with purpose) becomes and end in itself. Lust means our desire or feelings for sensual sex pleasure have a power over our rationality, the flesh against the spirit, a consequence of original sin, it is call “concupiscence” To commit a mortal sin one has to have full knowledge, give full consent, and it has to be a serious matter. I doubt if many have all of these conditions especially full knowledge. Ignorance is another consequence if Original sin.
 
You continue to maintain that do not commit adultery can somehow magically be read as do not have sex which “intends to avoid the production of children, or in which that result would be impossible” but you have provided no logic for why.
Article 6 of Part III lists all acts which are considered to be violations of the 6th commandment. Article 6 is all about the 6th Commandment. It includes but is not limited to adultry. If you begin reading from paragraph 2331 to the end of Article 6 you will see the reason. The Church says that any forbidden sex act is a violation of the intended goods of married life which, according to the Church, based on Scripture, must include the procreative act between a validly married man and woman, which remains open to conception. Article 6 explains how all this falls into place. You may not agree with it, but that is what the Church teaches.
You’ve implied that the CCC gives the logic but it doesn’t. In fact it sides with me as it explicitly states:
2380 Adultery refers to marital infidelity. When two partners, of whom at least one is married to another party, have sexual relations - even transient ones - they commit adultery. Christ condemns even adultery of mere desire. The sixth commandment and the New Testament forbid adultery absolutely. The prophets denounce the gravity of adultery; they see it as an image of the sin of idolatry.
See my comment above.
We seem to be going round in circles here.
No, you need to read all of Article 6 :rolleyes:.
We all know that from Romans, but what of it? It tells us of His eternal power and divine nature. God has revealed himself. What does that have to do with the OP? Are you saying homosexuality is somehow hidden in nature?
Paragraph 2357 in part says, “…” Basing itself on Sacred Scripture ( Gen 19: 1-19, Rom 1: 24-27, 1 Cor 6: 9-10, 1 Tim 1: 9-10 ) which presents homosesual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that ’ homosexual acts are gravely disordered.’ They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementary…" And thus they violate the 6th Commandment as I stated and reasoned above. You may not agree with the Church’s reasoning but that is what the Chruch has traditionally tautght.
I don’t feel this is productive until you provide a substantive point.
I hope I have made it more clear now.
You may want me to believe you are speaking for the Church but I don’t believe you are as you’ve not given me any reason to. Lay posters can huff and puff all they want but you know intimidation ain’t going to work on me.
I have said nothing the Church does not teach.
Regarding verse mining Romans, please see my conversation with others on this thread.
The Church does not " mine " the Scriptures, it has been authorized to transmit Christ’s Revelation under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
Yes evidence is good. But otherwise What? Que? I’m not debating the Church, I’m debating you. And CCC 2356 is about rape. What that has to do with the price of bread I’ve no idea.
That was a typo. It was paragraph 2357 I meant. But rape also violates the purpose of the sexual act, which is intended for marriage only. I have given you what the Church teaches. My thoughts are those of the Church, I have no thoughts about faith or morality other than what the Church teaches and has always taught.
Que? What?
I hope I have answered your question now.
I was pointing out that you were badly mistaken when you said that the author of the article is “an authority neither on Aquinas nor the Traditional Teaching of the Catholic Church”.
I was referring to Stanford Edu not the author, since I didn’t know who he was. But the article deals satisfactorily with the subject.
It would be cool if you could make a rational argument at least once in a while rather than just throwing out flippant remarks.
OOPS! I suppose mine are as good as yours, and certainly no more emotional.
If you have a substantive point on the OP then fine, otherwise I feel we’re going in circles. 🙂
I think I have made many substantive points. That you disagree is not surprising at all.

Linus2nd
 
concupiscence is a proclivity to sin, sins of passion, it is not a sin in itself, but a leaning. With the loss of grace when Adam sinned our wills were weakened, and our minds where deprived of truth that comes with the Holy Spirit. Original sin caused a disorder in human nature, and every body is afflicted. Thats why we have to be reborn again, turning to Christ who endows His Spirit. The Holy Spirit makes it possible to conquer this proclivity to sensual pleasure and reinstate the control the mind has over feelings. We sometimes expect people to give what they don’t have and we do them an injustice by demanding what they can’t give. It takes the grace of God, merited by Jesus Christ to live a chaste, holy and happy life here on earth. Although perfect happiness is not attainable on earth, because of our spiritual nature. This why I stated that I doubt that people have full knowledge when it comes to mortal sin, a direct violation against the Decalogue, which is also known as the Natural Law. Since the fall of Adam the knowledge of this Natural Law had to be divinely revealed because of the consequence of ignorance. Since the coming of Christ this Natural Law, or Ten commands is contained in the two greatest commands, love of God and love of neighbor, it is now the Spirit of the law, not as much emphasis on the letter of the law.
 
Homosexual acts simply cannot “work” according to the natural law.
That’s due to Thomas adding procreation to his catalog of goods, as was discussed earlier.

The question is whether he was right to choose procreation as a fundamental good.
 
Adultery applies to being unfaithful to the married partner Sex now becomes not a means of grace, but of sin. Why commit adultery if it wasn’t the desire to commit a lustful act with someone other than ones partner Jesus himself that if a man looks at a woman with lust in his heart he has already committed adultery, so God himself links adultery to lust.
OK, I think we’re all agreed on that.
*An unchaste act is unchaste because it is impure, an act against chastity, an impure act is impure because it is lustful.
What are the motivations involved in committing adultery, and having sex which intends to avoid the production of children or which the result would be impossible…
Relief of the biological drive whether it involves illicit love, or just relief which under normal conditions involves pleasure for both parties ( unlawful parties) Lust comes with many names, and its all sin against the 6th an 9th commands.
Why have sex that makes having children impossible? If it is sex outside of marriage it is a sinful act, lust (not accusing anyone, just looking at the ethical and moral law) If it is in marriage, its avoiding God’s plan for the act, there is family planning, but it does not guarantee avoidance, and is natural. Deliberate avoidance but desiring sex then it must be for pleasure, so the motive is pleasure over responsibility, the act turns into lust The means to the end (and we are rational creatures that act with purpose) becomes and end in itself. Lust means our desire or feelings for sensual sex pleasure have a power over our rationality, the flesh against the spirit, a consequence of original sin, it is call “concupiscence” To commit a mortal sin one has to have full knowledge, give full consent, and it has to be a serious matter. I doubt if many have all of these conditions especially full knowledge. Ignorance is another consequence if Original sin.*
This is a statement of belief, but you don’t say why we are to believe it.

The only aspect relative to the thread, imho, is that people talk of making babies or of making love - the primary or only purpose as procreation or as confirming and experiencing the love they have for each other.

Which is more important then, procreation or love? Paul doesn’t mention making babies in 1 Cor 7. I’d suggest it must be love, since the act performed without love is mechanical, robotic, inhuman. We might say that any act performed without love is un-Christian.

So what I don’t understand is why the love of a man for another man, or a woman for another man, is automatically bracketed as lust, as if it can’t be love. To me it is highly iniquitous to tell someone that the love she feels isn’t real.

I also don’t understand why chastity has two meanings when applied to heterosexuals (moderation or exclusion) and only the latter for homosexuals.

So far no one has joined up the dots.
 
Article 6 of Part III lists all acts which are considered to be violations of the 6th commandment. Article 6 is all about the 6th Commandment. It includes but is not limited to adultry. If you begin reading from paragraph 2331 to the end of Article 6 you will see the reason. The Church says that any forbidden sex act is a violation of the intended goods of married life which, according to the Church, based on Scripture, must include the procreative act between a validly married man and woman, which remains open to conception. Article 6 explains how all this falls into place. You may not agree with it, but that is what the Church teaches.
We’ve been into why simple logic disproves your claim. No normal person would say that a single man raping a single woman is adultery. And so on.

But let’s leave that aside, as at best arguable. The CCC itself does not list homosexuality as one of the “offenses against chastity”. It says instead, as you quoted, that “homosexual acts” are presented by scripture as “acts of grave depravity” and are “contrary to the natural law”.

The natural law argument relies on Thomas including procreation in his catalog of goods. Whether he is correct to do so, whether procreation is a fundamental good, is debatable (I’m not saying wrong, but debatable).

As far as scripture is concerned, by far the clearest statement regarding “homosexual acts” is Leviticus 20:13, which is a command given by God himself:

“If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them.”

So I shall now argue that this modern relativist liberal weedy tolerance of gay men is in direct opposition to the word of God Almighty and will end badly.
 
That’s due to Thomas adding procreation to his catalog of goods, as was discussed earlier.
So you’re attempting to claim that procreation was not previously considered a good according to any Christian much less Scripture prior to Thomas?
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The question is whether he was right to choose procreation as a fundamental good.
That’s really a question?

Are we forgetting Genesis 1 & 2?

The begetting of children was always seen as the greatest blessing of God onto a man and woman.

It is only from the last century that modernism and people’s attachment to sensuality, along with the more widespread acceptance of contraception, that people have created the idea that children are now an “undesirable” result of sexual promiscuity.
 
So you’re attempting to claim that procreation was not previously considered a good according to any Christian much less Scripture prior to Thomas?
No, Thomas didn’t base his reasoning on anything so weak. His choice of procreation as a fundamental good came from comparing human sexuality with other animals. He concluded that heterosexual sex is the mechanism designed by God to ensure the preservation of each species. For Thomas that’s the only reason why there are females - the male is necessary while the female is accidental. The female is passive, merely supplying a womb and matter for the offspring, while the male seed is the active principle which gives the offspring its form. Well reasoned but we now know it’s all wrong.
*That’s really a question?
Are we forgetting Genesis 1 & 2?
The begetting of children was always seen as the greatest blessing of God onto a man and woman.
It is only from the last century that modernism and people’s attachment to sensuality, along with the more widespread acceptance of contraception, that people have created the idea that children are now an “undesirable” result of sexual promiscuity.*
It’s only in the last century that women started to get treated equally with men. In the century before that child labor was common. In the century before that, slavery. At each point some people have used scripture to argue against change, shouting naughty modernists! How dare they!

Thank God the -]modernists/-] reformers didn’t listen. 🙂
 
No, Thomas didn’t base his reasoning on anything so weak.
A “Baptist” referring to Scripture as “weak”. That’s really all that I need to know about you.
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For Thomas that’s the only reason why there are females - the male is necessary while the female is accidental. The female is passive, merely supplying a womb and matter for the offspring, while the male seed is the active principle which gives the offspring its form. Well reasoned but we now know it’s all wrong.
Yeah, I’m going to run this by a friend of mine who is a scholar on Thomas Aquinas. I’m quite certain that your words are a horrible mischaracterization.
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It’s only in the last century that women started to get treated equally with men. In the century before that child labor was common. In the century before that, slavery. At each point some people have used scripture to argue against change, shouting naughty modernists! How dare they!

Thank God the -]modernists/-] reformers didn’t listen. 🙂
Child labor was fought against by the Church, so was slavery.

What you’re asserting is a gross distortion of the facts.
 
The standard natural law argument against homosexual activity runs something like this:
  1. The purpose of the sexual organs is procreation.
  2. It is wrong to use an organ in a way that thwarts its purpose.
  3. Homosexual acts use the sexual organs in ways that thwart procreation.
  4. Therefore, homosexual acts are wrong.
I hope I have clearly and fairly expressed the argument, and I’m open to revisions.

The problem with this argument, as I see it, is that Premise 3 is false. Sodomy could be used to thwart procreation, but it could be used in other ways too. For example, it’s conceivable to participate in homosexual acts, but only ejaculate with one’s opposite sex spouse. It is hard to understand how this would be thwarting procreation – however otherwise objectionable the course of action is!
I don’t think (3) is false, although my disagreement here may be merely semantic. Insofar that homosexual acts might be used prior to another act that could lead to procreation (as you describe), (3) is not violated, since the procreation is not located in the homosexual acts.

I think rather that (1) is false, because is gives a necessary but not sufficient component of the end of sexual acts. The other condition that philosophers tend to give is that sexual acts must be unitive. I think this argument, if properly formulated, would only require a few minor tweaks to a single premise to rule out a number of sexual acts as immoral. For instance, it should rule out acts that are “procreative” such as premarital sex or self-stimulation (while, say, watching porn) before ejaculating in one’s spouse. Neither of those acts are moral, but both are procreative. The problem lies in the fact that they are not unitive either.
There is another natural law argument against homosexual acts, one that I’m not sure I’ve heard anyone but myself give. It heralds back to the first dawn of natural law theory, with Aristotle. Here it is:
  1. Human beings have a distinctive telos, or purpose.
  2. Any type of action that tends toward the thwarting of one’s telos (or other people’s telos) is wrong.
  3. The telos of a human being is happiness.
  4. Homosexual actions tend to lead to unhappiness in oneself or others.
  5. Therefore, homosexual actions are wrong.
This is a tough argument to make. I believe it is sound, but (3) and (4) would require a lot of support in our social context. (By that I don’t mean that people would regard (3) as false. But (3), to have appreciable content, must be fleshed out with an account with what it means to be happy, so that (4) can be seen to have content as well. And that would require a lot of work.) So I do not think that this argument has as much of a shot at being persuasive as does the first you’ve given.
 
We’ve been into why simple logic disproves your claim. No normal person would say that a single man raping a single woman is adultery. And so on.
On the contrary, Article 6 is eminently logical. And no one would say rape and adultry are the same act. But what the Churchs says is that both violate the 6th Commandment. You may of course argue with the Church’s 2,000 year history of dealing with and discussing these issues and the 2,000 years she has had teaching morality to her children and how these issues are discussed and disseceted in her seminary’s’ moral theology courses and how she has dealt with these issues pastorially in the confessional, but in that case one should have to offer something meeting a higher standard than what the Church offers.
But let’s leave that aside, as at best arguable. The CCC itself does not list homosexuality as one of the “offenses against chastity”. It says instead, as you quoted, that “homosexual acts” are presented by scripture as “acts of grave depravity” and are “contrary to the natural law”.
Apparently you failed to notice that the heading for paragraph 2357 is, Chastity and Homosexuality. So it is obvious that homosexuality is discussed under the topic of chastity. And paragraph 2359, under the same heading begins, " Homosexual persons are called to chastity…" So it is clear that the Church regards homosexual acts as sins against the virtue of chastity.
The natural law argument relies on Thomas including procreation in his catalog of goods. Whether he is correct to do so, whether procreation is a fundamental good, is debatable (I’m not saying wrong, but debatable).
Don’t confuse my use of the term " goods " with Thomas’ use of the term. The Church has not " canonized " anyones philosophy. She uses the truth wherever it may be found. Whether or not the Church has in mind Aquinas’ Natural Law Theory when it mentions natural law, I have no idea. But it should be obvious why procreation is regarded by the Church as one of the fundamental goods of marriage and why it regards sexual acts restricting or excluding procreation to be contrary to natural law and sins against God’s Moral Law. If you wish to argue that one or the other act does not fall under the 6th Commandment, you may, but then you must tell us where it should be. The Church has always treated all such acts under the 6th.

This is because, in some way, every illicit sexual act is a sin against the marriage bond. For it is only in a valid marriage between a man and a woman, that God has given the command to " increase and multiply. " And acts outside the marriage bond violate this command. Therefore all these acts fall under the 6th Commandment. Furthermore, to say that sexual acts unrelated to or exclusionary of procreation is tantemount to suggesting that God created sex as some kind of game, which I think mocks the creator and his purposes. Some how I don’t think God is into games.
As far as scripture is concerned, by far the clearest statement regarding “homosexual acts” is Leviticus 20:13, which is a command given by God himself:
Yes, and look at all the other interesting prohibitions in Leviticus. And what commandment would you place all these? The Church has placed most of them under the 6th.
“If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them.”
So I shall now argue that this modern relativist liberal weedy tolerance of gay men is in direct opposition to the word of God Almighty and will end badly.
Very good. It took you a long time to get there;).

Linus2nd
 
Thanks for your thoughtful comments, poly.
I don’t think (3) is false, although my disagreement here may be merely semantic. Insofar that homosexual acts might be used prior to another act that could lead to procreation (as you describe), (3) is not violated, since the procreation is not located in the homosexual acts.
Sure, but then in what sense does gay sex thwart procreation? It’s conceivable, in a given society, that the people who have gay sex are the same ones who procreate (heterosexually, of course), and that nobody who refrains from sodomy has children. In such a case, how can one argue that homosexual acts necessarily thwart procreation? (We must have the “necessarily” there because the premise is not supposed to be based on likelihoods).
I think rather that (1) is false, because is gives a necessary but not sufficient component of the end of sexual acts. The other condition that philosophers tend to give is that sexual acts must be unitive. I think this argument, if properly formulated, would only require a few minor tweaks to a single premise to rule out a number of sexual acts as immoral. For instance, it should rule out acts that are “procreative” such as premarital sex or self-stimulation (while, say, watching porn) before ejaculating in one’s spouse. Neither of those acts are moral, but both are procreative. The problem lies in the fact that they are not unitive either.
This is all a good point, but Premise #1 could be easily reworked without mentioning unitive-ness, if we just put it in the form of a necessary condition, as you suggest. Or we could mention the unitive condition – which means we have to explain how gay relationships aren’t unitive in the relevant sense (not an easy sell, perhaps).
This is a tough argument to make. I believe it is sound, but (3) and (4) would require a lot of support in our social context. (By that I don’t mean that people would regard (3) as false. But (3), to have appreciable content, must be fleshed out with an account with what it means to be happy, so that (4) can be seen to have content as well. And that would require a lot of work.) So I do not think that this argument has as much of a shot at being persuasive as does the first you’ve given.
My thought isn’t that it would immediately persuade. Rather, I would hope it would plant a seed, so that then people would watch and see if homosexual activity tended to make people – even in ordinary terms – happy. There’s plenty of evidence that it doesn’t, although this evidence is being buried underneath cultural shouting right now. Once the shouting dies down and gay marriage is legal everywhere, the truth about the correlation could become more apparent.

Or else, if social acceptance of homosexuality severs the link between homosexual activity and unhappiness, I guess my argument would fall apart (or, as you say, require an obscure understanding of happiness). But in that case, I must say, I would be theologically puzzled. I don’t know of any other type of sin that doesn’t usually make people more unhappy and dissatisfied, in the long run. I don’t know why God would create an action with a tendency toward happiness, and then forbid it.

Either way, I think the flexibility and responsiveness to real-world observations is an advantage to my argument. It doesn’t insist on immediate conversion, but simply suggests what to watch for in the future.
 
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