Homosexuality - the facts

[pathia]

Like I said before, I don’t condone anyone trying to change people that do not want to be changed, also I don’t think that this therapy is very successful. I believe one can have a heart change if they accept Jesus into their heart and let His healing hand heal them.

There are many Christian support groups (not reparative therapy groups) that people can go to for support, prayer and counseling. Believe me, some people need counseling from things that happened to them. This is not to change them, but to help them resolve emotional wounds and issues from the past. If you don’t work these out and face the pain and anger, you can never be free of them.

Narth to my knowledge is a research group who may have offered reparative counseling in the past, but their main objective is research on the subject.

Researching techniques to cure children.

 

[ladybri77]

Researching techniques to cure children.

No, they are primarily a research group.

I strongly believe in counseling to work out issues from the past, get healing for the pain, and let go of the anger once and for all.

I will pray for you.

 

[pathia]

No, they are primarily a research group.

I strongly believe in counseling to work out issues from the past, get healing for the pain, and let go of the anger once and for all.

I will pray for you.

I am in therapy, I will be for the rest of my life because of what this maniacs did to me and many other children. What part of ‘over half of the children I knew from that time are dead by their own hand’ don’t you understand? It is simply not normal for 8-12year olds to commit suicide, there has to be horrible things at work and the only common thread was the repairative therapy, many of them talked about it in whatever notes they left, saying they felt like failure etc.

They are at least guilty of manslaughter, these people destroyed these children, they destroyed me, they destroyed families. They destroyed the sanity and lives of innocent children, many not even in puberty yet. How can you possibly shrug off that? The same people are in charge, they’ve never left. Nicolosi’s ONLY books are about preventing it actively.

 

[ladybri77]

I am in therapy, I will be for the rest of my life because of what this maniacs did to me and many other children. What part of ‘over half of the children I knew from that time are dead by their own hand’ don’t you understand? It is simply not normal for 8-12year olds to commit suicide, there has to be horrible things at work and the only common thread was the repairative therapy, many of them talked about it in whatever notes they left, saying they felt like failure etc.

They are at least guilty of manslaughter, these people destroyed these children, they destroyed me, they destroyed families. They destroyed the sanity and lives of innocent children, many not even in puberty yet. How can you possibly shrug off that? The same people are in charge, they’ve never left. Nicolosi’s ONLY books are about preventing it actively.

I don’t, I think it’s awful. It wasn’t fair. It never should have happened, but it did. Now it’s up to you to get well, to release your anger out loud if that helps. Hopefully you can eventually get through it and forgive those that did this to you, that’s not saying what they did to you was right, but you need the forgiveness for yourself, to set you free. If you don’t let go of the anger and forgive, you would be letting them continue to do this to you.

 

[pathia]

I don’t, I think it’s awful. It wasn’t fair. It never should have happened, but it did. Now it’s up to you to get well, to release your anger out loud if that helps. Hopefully you can eventually get through it and forgive those that did this to you, that’s not saying what they did to you was right, but you need the forgiveness for yourself, to set you free. If you don’t let go of the anger and forgive, you would be letting them continue to do this to you.

I am angry because they continue to treat children. There are younger children, cousins of mine, that are being treated by therapists that follow NARTH teachings right NOW. It has not stopped by any means. NARTH itself may only release ‘guidelines’ but people follow those guidelines and those that are members of NARTH have private practices. My anger will not stop, until they stop. Why am I required to forgive someone who is unrepentant in believe what they do is right, while it continually causes harm? If someone is actively beating someone in the street, do I forgive the person doing the beating in the middle of the fight and just walk away?

It has not stopped.

 

[goofyjim]

Right! Say someone who has been gay all their life and starts to have heterosexual feelings through coming to know Jesus and prayer (notice I did not say reparative therapy), and they want to learn different mannerisms, they can go to counseling to help them do that. But I’m not saying the therapy is what is going to change them, Jesus will, not man, but this would be helpful if they wanted to learn different mannerisms. I’ve heard of people doing this, who have been healed of their homosexual feelings and now experience heterosexual feelings because they’ve prayed. This doesn’t mean everyone experiences this, there are just a few.

Believe me, many people have been healed of this through the Lord and say that the big “H” is now a little “h”. If you don’t believe me, I can give you the literature where this has happened. I know you don’t think it is necessary to change, but if you wanted proof of people who have, I can show you. “With God all things are possible”. God Bless!

Homosexual feelings are just feelings. There is nothing to be healed of in order to follow Christ. If one wants it for their own reasons I have nothing against that but this ridiculous insistence that one cannot be homosexual and follow Christ is just absurd. I am homosexual and follow Christ.

 

[ladybri77]

I am angry because they continue to treat children. There are younger children, cousins of mine, that are being treated by therapists that follow NARTH teachings right NOW. It has not stopped by any means. NARTH itself may only release ‘guidelines’ but people follow those guidelines and those that are members of NARTH have private practices. My anger will not stop, until they stop. Why am I required to forgive someone who is unrepentant in believe what they do is right, while it continually causes harm? If someone is actively beating someone in the street, do I forgive the person doing the beating in the middle of the fight and just walk away?

It has not stopped.

No, you would do something about it, I’d hope. Have you called the authorities on these people? Have you written letters to senators or congressmen? Have you contacted the president of NARTH itself to tell them what they are doing to these kids? I would do everything in my power to stop them if that was the case. I’m not being sarcastic here, that is what I would do.

I’m just saying you need to forgive them for yourself, their actions are still wrong.

 

[pathia]

No, you would do something about it, I would hope. Have you called the authorities on these people? Have you written letters to senators or people in authority. Have you contacted the president of NARTH itself to tell them what they are doing to these kids? I would do everything in my power to stop them if that was the case.

I’m just saying you need to forgive them for yourself, their actions are still wrong.

Freedom of religion, no one wants to step on that, they profess it to be their faith guiding them and that pretty much makes them completely immune, especially where this is taking place. The president of Narth is one of the men that DOES these treatments. I don’t think you seem to understand that. Joseph Nicolosi is one of the worst of the lot and he runs it. Some of the kids that killed themselves were directly treated by his group (I don’t think he does much directly in therapy, but he has people under him). He was in full knowledge and some of those children are now dead.

 

[ladybri77]

Homosexual feelings are just feelings. There is nothing to be healed of in order to follow Christ. If one wants it for their own reasons I have nothing against that but this ridiculous insistence that one cannot be homosexual and follow Christ is just absurd. I am homosexual and follow Christ.

There are many people who are homosexual and follow Christ. Some need support for accountability and to try and manage their feelings if they are really strong so they don’t get out of hand. That’s where Courage and support groups like it come in.

 

[goofyjim]

There are many people who are homosexual and follow Christ. Some need support for accountability and to try and manage their feelings if they are really strong so they don’t get out of hand. That’s where Courage and support groups like it come in.

Don’t need support groups. I do fine on my own. I just don’t worry about things. I walk confidently knowing God loves me. That’s all that’s necessary. Everything else is trivial.

 

[ladybri77]

Don’t need support groups. I do fine on my own. I just don’t worry about things. I walk confidently knowing God loves me. That’s all that’s necessary. Everything else is trivial.

That’s you but there are many who need help because they have very strong attractions and many struggle with lust which is sin, so that’s where these can help.

 

[ladybri77]

Freedom of religion, no one wants to step on that, they profess it to be their faith guiding them and that pretty much makes them completely immune, especially where this is taking place. The president of Narth is one of the men that DOES these treatments. I don’t think you seem to understand that. Joseph Nicolosi is one of the worst of the lot and he runs it. Some of the kids that killed themselves were directly treated by his group (I don’t think he does much directly in therapy, but he has people under him). He was in full knowledge and some of those children are now dead.

Because of the way this organization is, it doesn’t mean that there aren’t psychological or environmental causes for these tendencies. We can’t rule this out like we can’t rule out biological causes. Who we are is shaped by our past experiences (and genetic and biologic). And no, I don’t believe in trying to “change” someone, read my posts.

 

[pathia]

Because of the way this organization is, it doesn’t mean that there aren’t psychological or environmental causes for these tendencies. We can’t rule this out like we can’t rule out biological causes. Who we are is shaped by our past experiences (and genetic and biologic). And no, I don’t believe in trying to “change” someone, read my posts.

They advocate changing children. That’s the title of one of his books for crying out loud. A Parent’s Guide to Preventing Homosexuality. It’s a book full of ‘warning signs’. Like being shy and quiet and GOD FORBID ‘artistic’. If your young boy is artistic, better watch out!!! Then it has a bunch of things to reenforce masculinity, which is what screwed me up so badly. All from the PRESIDENT of the organization. The same man who says every single homosexual he has ever met, was gay because of his parents. No if ands or buts, it is ALL the parents fault. He believes in no other cause.

 

[goofyjim]

They advocate changing children. That’s the title of one of his books for crying out loud. A Parent’s Guide to Preventing Homosexuality. It’s a book full of ‘warning signs’. Like being shy and quiet and GOD FORBID ‘artistic’. If your young boy is artistic, better watch out!!! Then it has a bunch of things to reenforce masculinity, which is what screwed me up so badly. All from the PRESIDENT of the organization. The same man who says every single homosexual he has ever met, was gay because of his parents. No if ands or buts, it is ALL the parents fault. He believes in no other cause.

Ah, so now it’s my parents’ fault. NOT. I was born this way. There wasn’t a thing in the world that could have prevented it.

 

[ladybri77]

Ah, so now it’s my parents’ fault. NOT. I was born this way. There wasn’t a thing in the world that could have prevented it.

Well, if you read my posts above, I said that for some it may be because of abuse, neglect, cold or absent fathers/mother, etc. We are a product of our environment. There could also be biological and genetic causes as well. Some people are born with a more sensitive personality, so they react to pain, neglect, or coldness differently than their siblings.

 

[goofyjim]

Well, if you read my posts above, I said that for some it may be because of abuse, neglect, cold or absent fathers/mother, etc. We are a product of our environment. There could also be biological and genetic causes as well. Some people are born with a more sensitive personality, so they react to pain, neglect, or coldness differently than their siblings.

It was all biological with me. Nothing environmental.

 

[goofyjim]

There’s nothing to fear in accepting it to be biological cause instead of environmental. It seems like those who desire us to change have a hidden agenda of their own instead of just accepting us. Oh well.

 

[ladybri77]

There’s nothing to fear in accepting it to be biological cause instead of environmental. It seems like those who desire us to change have a hidden agenda of their own instead of just accepting us. Oh well.

I could accept it if there was proof. You don’t seem to be willing to except that it possibly could be environmental for some. I know that has not been “proven” either, but I’ve seen plenty of evidence of it. Now I am seeing people who had perfect childhoods from being in this forum and who still experience it. Never saw this before.

 

[goofyjim]

I could accept it if there was proof. You don’t seem to be willing to except that it possibly could be environmental for some. I know that has not been “proven” either, but I’ve seen plenty of evidence of it. Now I am seeing people who had perfect childhoods from being in this forum and who still experience it. Never saw this before.

I am proof that I was born this way. I am empirical evidence that you keep overlooking.

 

[ladybri77]

I am proof that I was born this way. I am empirical evidence that you keep overlooking.

Well, if you read my past post, I said that since being on this forum, I’ve seen those that had good childhoods who struggle with it. I have also seen much evidence of people with broken childhoods who have this. I lean toward this because of my personal experience as you lean toward the other because of yours. LIke I said, I am open to biological/genetic if there were scientific evidence of it. I’m waiting to see how things evolve and part of my learning process is people like you on this forum.