Homosexuals brainwashing our children in elementary schools

[powrofluv]

What in the world is that teacher thinking asking elementary school kids to have a “discussion” about homosexuals. How in the world could any elementary school kid even begin to understand the issue of homosexuality? That is just so inappropriate to ask kids that young to think about such things.

I have to say, regaurdless of what anyone thinks of homosexuality, it isn’t a choice. I know from personal experience. I had crushes at 5 and 7 yrs. old. I ended up bisexual. I don’t think any children should be taught anything about sex acts, but people need to know that little children have heterosexual crushes and homosexual crushes even before they hear the word homosexual, sin or it’s wrong and they need to know they are not alone and because we have so much hate and bigotry in this world, they need to learn that the right thing to do is be good to all people regaurdless if they are straight or not. If it weren’t for bigotry as it is today, we wouldn’t be having to teach children about tolerance at all.

 

[Lethe]

I have to say, regaurdless of what anyone thinks of homosexuality, it isn’t a choice. I know from personal experience. I had crushes at 5 and 7 yrs. old. I ended up bisexual. I don’t think any children should be taught anything about sex acts, but people need to know that little children have heterosexual crushes and homosexual crushes even before they hear the word homosexual, sin or it’s wrong and they need to know they are not alone and because we have so much hate and bigotry in this world, they need to learn that the right thing to do is be good to all people regaurdless if they are straight or not. If it weren’t for bigotry as it is today, we wouldn’t be having to teach children about tolerance at all.

I feel less alone knowing someone else on this forum is bisexual But yes, I think tolerance should be taught. In the same way that religious tolerance is taught - you may not agree with the person’s views, but that doesn’t mean you should attack them in any way for them. Children dont need to be taught the details of sex from a very early age in my opinion, whether that is homo or heterosexual, unless they ask in which case I’m sure it can be handled with tact (or talk of ‘special hugs’ as one of my friends was told when she was young!) but if they are at all likely to encounter homosexuals in their life, they should know that some people live with and romantically love people of the same sex.

 

[GratefulDad]

I think this sums it up pretty well.

"Romans
Chapter 1

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel. It is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: for Jew first, and then Greek.
17 For in it is revealed the righteousness of God from faith to faith; as it is written, “The one who is righteous by faith will live.”
18 The wrath of God is indeed being revealed from heaven against every impiety and wickedness of those who suppress the truth by their wickedness.
19 For what can be known about God is evident to them, because God made it evident to them.
20 Ever since the creation of the world, his invisible attributes of eternal power and divinity have been able to be understood and perceived in what he has made. As a result, they have no excuse;
21 for although they knew God they did not accord him glory as God or give him thanks. Instead, they became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened.
22 While claiming to be wise, they became fools
23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for the likeness of an image of mortal man or of birds or of four-legged animals or of snakes.
24 Therefore, God handed them over to impurity through the lusts of their hearts for the mutual degradation of their bodies.
25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and revered and worshiped the creature rather than the creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26 Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural,
27 and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity.
28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God handed them over to their undiscerning mind to do what is improper.
29 They are filled with every form of wickedness, evil, greed, and malice; full of envy, murder, rivalry, treachery, and spite. They are gossips
30 and scandalmongers and they hate God. They are insolent, haughty, boastful, ingenious in their wickedness, and rebellious toward their parents.
31 They are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
32 Although they know the just decree of God that all who practice such things deserve death, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them. "

 

[buffalo]

I feel less alone knowing someone else on this forum is bisexual But yes, I think tolerance should be taught. In the same way that religious tolerance is taught - you may not agree with the person’s views, but that doesn’t mean you should attack them in any way for them. Children dont need to be taught the details of sex from a very early age in my opinion, whether that is homo or heterosexual, unless they ask in which case I’m sure it can be handled with tact (or talk of ‘special hugs’ as one of my friends was told when she was young!) but if they are at all likely to encounter homosexuals in their life, they should know that some people live with and romantically love people of the same sex.

Love is not tolerance

BISHOP FULTON J. SHEEN****Christian love bears evil, but it does not tolerate it.

http://www.catholiceducation.org/images/authos/Sheen8.JPG  *Christian love bears evil, but  it does not tolerate it. *

It does penance for the sins of others, but it is not broadminded about sin.
*The cry for tolerance never induces it to quench its hatred of the evil philosophies that have entered into contest with the Truth. *
It forgives the sinner, and it hates the sin; it is unmerciful to the error in his mind.
*The sinner it will always take back into the bosom of the Mystical Body;
but his lie will never be taken into the treasury of His Wisdom. *
*Real love involves real hatred:
whoever has lost the power of moral indignation and the urge to drive the buyers and sellers from the temples
has also lost a living, fervent love of Truth. *
*Charity, then, is not a mild philosophy of “live and let live”;
it is not a species of sloppy sentiment. *
Charity is the infusion of the Spirit of God,
which makes us love the beautiful and hate the morally ugly.

 

[Sina]

I wish I had a way of blocking all of Buffalo’s posts so I never had to see them.

 

[buffalo]

I wish I had a way of blocking all of Buffalo’s posts so I never had to see them.

You can put me on ignore if you wish.

 

[PaulinVA]

However, I think this issue is more complex than it first appears. Consider how much differently you might view this if the students were instead taught acceptance towards African-Americans. Although the numbers are much smaller now than they once were, there are people who think that blacks should be treated differently than whites for religious reasons. Should schools stay away from teaching moral issues that different religions view differently, or are you okay with schools teaching morality as long as it happens to match your beliefs?

I think this idea is very important.

Unfortunately, schools (and the homosexual liberal activists) aren’t interested in people treating blacks or asians or whites or hispanics with respect. Only if they are homosexual and black (or whatever) are those activists interested in them and how they are treated.

I have no problem at all with a comprehensive program that makes bullying, teasing, and making life miserable for anyone an offense that the school disciplines, no matter why they are being bullied.

I think that singling out the kids of gay parents or gay kids just puts a bullseye on them. The message needs to be that we treat everyone with respect, even if we disagree with them. The homosexual agenda is going for agreement and affirmation, and that is too much.

 

[eichenb2]

Okay. Firstly, I think your reaction is a little extreme. A good parent will be able to tell their child that whilst we do not judge, this is not what we personally believe, surely?

In addition, it is a good idea in my opinion, for children to be taught not to discriminate against homosexuals. Disciminating openly against anyone is wrong, and not what Jesus taught. We all have sins, so whether you believe homosexuality is a sin or not, it should not be the focus of any resentment or dislike.

However, this stuff about ‘two moms’ etc is a step too far. Children should be allowed to understand that biology requires a mother and a father, whether they are then taught that some children are RAISED by same sex couples or not.

HOWEVER, this video doesnt actually speak about sex does it? I dont think it is wrong for children to be aware that homosexual couples exist (as in same sex couples who care a great deal for each other in the same way a mummy and daddy do.) Your own views on the morality of such couples can supplement this kind of information, but I dont think the awareness of gay relationships existing is wrong - they do, and to pretend otherwise is just lying to your kids.

There is no such thing as a “homosexual” person. There is NO scientific evidence that people programmed biologically to be attracted to others of the same sex. Moreover, even if there was DNA of this sort, this does not mean that we ought to legalize and condone same sex intercourse (or whatever they do) and all of its social ramifications. Similarly, if it was determined that a child molester was biologically programmed to desire intercourse with a 5 year old girl, I would hope that our society would NOT legalize this.
There are, however, people with a disordered attraction to people of the same sex. These people need to have their human rights protected and respected, like all other humans (even the unborn). However, these rights are to be protected on the basis of their humanity; not on thier percieved sexual identity.
By the, I also teach my children to discriminate between good and evil.

 

[eichenb2]

I think this idea is very important.

Unfortunately, schools (and the homosexual liberal activists) aren’t interested in people treating blacks or asians or whites or hispanics with respect. Only if they are homosexual and black (or whatever) are those activists interested in them and how they are treated.

I have no problem at all with a comprehensive program that makes bullying, teasing, and making life miserable for anyone an offense that the school disciplines, no matter why they are being bullied.

I think that singling out the kids of gay parents or gay kids just puts a bullseye on them. The message needs to be that we treat everyone with respect, even if we disagree with them. The homosexual agenda is going for agreement and affirmation, and that is too much.

My wife is African-American and it can be scientific proven that the pigment of her skin is inherent to who she is. There is NO similar scientific evidence in support of the the “gay” theory.

 

[eichenb2]

I think this idea is very important.

Unfortunately, schools (and the homosexual liberal activists) aren’t interested in people treating blacks or asians or whites or hispanics with respect. Only if they are homosexual and black (or whatever) are those activists interested in them and how they are treated.

I have no problem at all with a comprehensive program that makes bullying, teasing, and making life miserable for anyone an offense that the school disciplines, no matter why they are being bullied.

I think that singling out the kids of gay parents or gay kids just puts a bullseye on them. The message needs to be that we treat everyone with respect, even if we disagree with them. The homosexual agenda is going for agreement and affirmation, and that is too much.

Well said!

 

[survive]

I think this idea is very important.

Unfortunately, schools (and the homosexual liberal activists) aren’t interested in people treating blacks or asians or whites or hispanics with respect. Only if they are homosexual and black (or whatever) are those activists interested in them and how they are treated.

I have no problem at all with a comprehensive program that makes bullying, teasing, and making life miserable for anyone an offense that the school disciplines, no matter why they are being bullied.

I think that singling out the kids of gay parents or gay kids just puts a bullseye on them. The message needs to be that we treat everyone with respect, even if we disagree with them. The homosexual agenda is going for agreement and affirmation, and that is too much.

:thumbsup:Good post.
Also, what kindergartner needs to hear about sex at all? My mother told us the facts of life – just the facts of life, not every detail about sexuality she could think of, for which I thank God – when I was around four because she was so eager to get the Talk over with. Even that was a little more than we kids were ready to handle. Conversely, I have spent a lot of time with families where the kids learn the facts on an as-needed-and-requested-only basis, adn they are well-adjusted, happy, not obsessed or mixed up about sex at all and don’t seem to find it a stress to know so much. That’s realistic sex ed: being realistic about how much info a tiny preschooler/elementary-schooler needs and when.
Despite my very liberal, relatively unsheltered upbringing, I was about eight or nine when I first heard of homosexuality. I didn’t get the hows and whys, and I didn’t want or need them, though I was in general a curious child. That’s just way too much information at that age.
Years ago I had reason to embark on a private research project on the effects of childhood brain damage. I learned that scarring from cortisol in the aggression center can result from overexposure to sexual stimulation which need not be physical to have such effects. The result in the adult the overexposed youth grows into includes a far higher incidence of sexual deviancies, such as sadism and narcissism, and is correlated with sexual violence. The amount of stimulation that a growing brain can handle without stress gradually increases during puberty (but probably never reaches the level of stimulation we are surrounded by in America nowadays). I’d like to put that project on my list of topics to get back into and document; I think it’s a subject the world needs to be aware of.

 

[Gertabelle]

I have to say, regaurdless of what anyone thinks of homosexuality, it isn’t a choice. I know from personal experience. I had crushes at 5 and 7 yrs. old. I ended up bisexual.

I must repsectfully disagree with you. I also have personal experience with homosexuality – ten years in the lifestyle with a number of partners. And I had a couple long-term relationships, one that lasted for many years. And like you, I went around telling people, “This is not a choice!” And like you, I had stories of early “crushes” on my female friends. But let’s be realistic, my “crushes” were not sexual in nature. They were emotional attraction. Even by the ripe old age of 7, I had been through enough (alcholic dad, mom’s breast cancer, parents’ marital problems…) that I was really, really emotionally needy.

I left that world in 2001 (long story…) and can tell you from my own experience, that people are not born with homosexual tendencies. This is an issue of nurture, not nature. Through God’s grace, I don’t have a trace of SSA today. In compassion and love, I will keep you in my prayers.

I feel less alone knowing someone else on this forum is bisexual But yes, I think tolerance should be taught. In the same way that religious tolerance is taught - you may not agree with the person’s views, but that doesn’t mean you should attack them in any way for them.

Yes, children should be taught tolerance of those with different beliefs and lifestyles, even an appreciation for the gifts and beauty of others. The schools definitely have a place in this teaching, in the form of anti-bullying programs and the day-to-day “teachable moments” that arise. But that is a far cry from singling out homosexuality as a special tolerance topic.

In my classroom, we have teachable moments when someone calls someone a “retard” or “gay” or “you’re a girl” (a common insult among boys ). This is always done in an age-appropriate manner (I teach K-5) and with a firm and gentle tone. After all, children at this age are only repeating what they’ve heard elsewhere from family, often with themselves as the target of the insult.

Compassion, prayer, conversion – for all of us – is what’s really needed.

Gertie

 

[LittleBits]

Schools should teach students to respect homosexuals. We teach them to respect every other group, so why shouldn’t homosexuals be included?

 

[Gertabelle]

Schools should teach students to respect homosexuals. We teach them to respect every other group, so why shouldn’t homosexuals be included?

I do teach my students respect, but why should I single out each and every distinction known to human kind?
“Students, today we’re going to learn to respect Asians.”
“Students, today we’re going to learn to respect Jews.”
“Students, today we’re going to learn to respect people with disabilities.”
“Students, today we’re going to learn to respect redheads.”

The problem with singling out one group after another is that it isolates these groups and makes them seem like the “other.” In other words, this sort of “respect-a-thon” of activities actually creates divisions rather than uniting people by appreciating building the connections.

When I teach my students about respect it is general and applicable to all people they meet, not just the groups we’ve covered so far this year.

Gertie

 

[Lutheranteach]

Buffalo, I have to agree with you 100% on this one Should the discussion come up in sex ed during High School, sure thing… elementary, what in the world are people thinking!

I think there is a place for it, I’m not sure this film is the right one. Why do I say this. Because by 3rd, 4th, 5th grade a large number of homosexuals already know they are gay but have no idea how to come to terms with it. Look at the suicide rates for young gays. A big part of this is because of the hatred they feel from those around them…most of which is based on pure B.S. If these discussions make it safer for these young people. Good. If it helps straight kids understand gays, good. Because whether we like it or not, straight kids and gay kids will interact on group projects, at work, etc.

 

[onmyknees]

Okay, I read this whole thread and I just want to tell all the non-Catholic posters here that the Catholic Church does not teach hate, disrespect or any predjudice toward homosexuals or anyone for that matter. It always teaches to love everyone but to hate sin. My very traditional Catholic priest told me that I was right to love my SSA son unconditionally but to tell him that I did not approve of the homosexual act. I did this. He understood and we are still very close.

 

[Lutheranteach]

There is no such thing as a “homosexual” person. There is NO scientific evidence that people programmed biologically to be attracted to others of the same sex. Moreover, even if there was DNA of this sort, this does not mean that we ought to legalize and condone same sex intercourse (or whatever they do) and all of its social ramifications. Similarly, if it was determined that a child molester was biologically programmed to desire intercourse with a 5 year old girl, I would hope that our society would NOT legalize this.
There are, however, people with a disordered attraction to people of the same sex. These people need to have their human rights protected and respected, like all other humans (even the unborn). However, these rights are to be protected on the basis of their humanity; not on thier percieved sexual identity.
By the, I also teach my children to discriminate between good and evil.

There is no scientific evidence as to why people are left handed or right handed yet no one doubts they are born that way. Trying to make the gay straight or trying to change the straight to gay is not unlike the day when they would tie a lefties hand down and force them to use the right hand. As for child molesters, there probably is a biological component to it, but the difference is that we’re talking about consenting couples not children who have not the mental maturity to truly consent.

 

[onmyknees]

There is no scientific evidence as to why people are left handed or right handed yet no one doubts they are born that way. Trying to make the gay straight or trying to change the straight to gay is not unlike the day when they would tie a lefties hand down and force them to use the right hand. As for child molesters, there probably is a biological component to it, but the difference is that we’re talking about consenting couples not children who have not the mental maturity to truly consent.

Hi Lutheranteach,

TheCatholic Church does not try to change Catholics that have SSA. They offer those who want to live a chaste life, love and support through a group called “Courage” in Catholic parishes. I know of SSA Catholic couples who have been to these and are now living chaste lives as practicing Catholics. All Catholics who are not married are called to live in chastity. Many many Catholics do this very successfully and grow in holiness.

 

[Stylites]

Schools should teach students to respect homosexuals. We teach them to respect every other group, so why shouldn’t homosexuals be included?

Those lowly ethnic minorities get special rights and considerations while the superior behavioral minorities don’t, eh? By your standards, then society needs to assault the innocence of children by introducing them to all sorts of behavioral self-identity “groups” in order to vainly try to make sinners feel good about themselves, such as rapists and shop-lifters, since they all have strong urges, too, and supposedly have no free will or abilities to control their actions.

So much for “let us alone to do whatever we want to in the privacy of our homes” and now it’s “force children in school to be tolerant of our evil deeds”, eh? Why is that? It’s because homosexuals vainly think the reason they feel bad about themselves is that society is saying their deeds are wrong, and if only everyone would say how great their evil deeds are THEN they can feel good about themselves. But their feeling bad doesn’t come from what others say or think, it comes from within, from their own voice of conscience.

If they truly want to be happy then it would behoove them to listen a little more to what the Church teaches and a little less to what secularists say regarding their personal problem.