Honduras immigrants

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Should probably let half of them stay at the StubHub Center in LA for a few months. The Chargers desperately need bodies in the stands.
 
The part that disgusts me in all of this is the fact the already suffering people—especially children!—are being used as pawns for political purposes. The activists that organized this and other caravans have no goal other than open borders. They don’t care about the welfare of these people. They hope for violence against them because it increases supporters for their cause. They can show how poorly “migrants” and “asylum seekers” are treated both in their home countries and by every nation they enter illegally. The “other side” uses them as a scare tactic to increase support for border security.

Please try to keep in mind that many of the people who are in that group are truly just doing what they have been told is best for their children and families. They have been lead to believe that this “organized caravan” is meant to safely lead them to a safe haven that will grant them asylum and help them escape the violence and chaos. They believe they are just marching towards a future for their kids. Some of those have seen that they were not told the full truth and have opted to abandon the caravan to return home. Also keep in mind that there are horribly bad people in the mix as well and that there is no way to fully ensure they are weeded out.

Something needs to be done in terms of national security. Something needs to be done in terms of humanitarianism. Nothing positive will come out of any of this until the activists and the politicians both get over themselves though. It’s a horribly sad situation. Praying to St. Jude, Patron of lost causes and hopeless situations, for all these people and all the countries involved.
 
Did they all burn the American flag? I did see a picture in one of the papers of a few people burning a flag. Is that action attributable to all of them?
 
If they are looking for a better life, what kind of image does that set forth for the whole group??? Are the flag burners trying to sabotage the whole group? Maybe they are trying to attract violence against their group???
 
petra22 said:
If they are looking for a better life, what kind of image does that set forth for the whole group??? Are the flag burners trying to sabotage the whole group? Maybe they are trying to attract violence against their group???
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I can’t say what was in the minds of these particular flag-burners.

I know that I was in a park once, in Brooklyn, where some clowns were staging a protest about something or other, can’t remember what, and they burned a flag. I was there, I watched the spectacle, I was unimpressed, and then went on about whatever I was doing that day. I didn’t try to stop them, or start a counter-protest, or anything.

Doesn’t make me a flag-burner, or mean that I was on board with their protest, or anything like that.
 
Inisfallen said:
I can’t say what was in the minds of these particular flag-burners.

I know that I was in a park once, in Brooklyn, where some clowns were staging a protest about something or other, can’t remember what, and they burned a flag. I was there, I watched the spectacle, I was unimpressed, and then went on about whatever I was doing that day. I didn’t try to stop them, or start a counter-protest, or anything.

Doesn’t make me a flag-burner, or mean that I was on board with their protest, or anything like that.
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Were you trying to force your way into Brooklyn’s city buildings or restaurants or such?? Were you breaking the law by doing illegal activities? Then the flag burners were speaking for you too! Down with the USA, but let’s see what we can get from them first!
 
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petra22 said:
Then the flag burners were speaking for you too! Down with the USA, but let’s see what we can get from them first!
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As I said, I can’t know what was in the minds of the flag-burners, or of anyone in the immediate vicinity.
 
anon10271182 said:
Chump change for Jeff Bezos. Soros could pitch in too.
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The incessant conspiracy-minded talk about George Soros leads to things like this:


It’s kind of like that nut case who went into that pizza place in Washington with a gun and fired it (or that brave patriot exercising his Second Amendment rights, depending on your point of view). The whole looney Pizzagate thing.

Enough crazy talk about bogeyman and someone crazy will believe it. And act on it.

Not that I’m attributing any responsibility for this incident to you, of course. I’m not.
 
John24 said:
Why would you bother? Unless you lie awake at night terrified at the fact that Honduran people exist I don’t get it.
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Who do you think should foot the bill for them. And the next 10,000 of them…and the next 10,000 after that? What…you think our government has one giant piggy bank? That giant piggy bank is coming from my paycheck, and I’m sick of my taxes paying for them!
 
Mark121359 said:
$1 is too much!
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That’s not a very specific answer. I was curious about how much of your taxes (or anyone’s taxes) is going to to the support of Honduran immigrants. I suspect that the amount is trivial, if it amounts to anything at all, but I could be wrong – I’m open to being convinced.
 
Inisfallen said:
That’s not a very specific answer. I was curious about how much of your taxes (or anyone’s taxes) is going to to the support of Honduran immigrants. I suspect that the amount is trivial, if it amounts to anything at all, but I could be wrong – I’m open to being convinced.
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Then let me ask you. Who is paying for all of the illegals in this country? It’s a simple answer. And that answer is me…and Joe and Joan Taxpayer.


 
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Mark121359 said:
Then let me ask you. Who is paying for all of the illegals in this country? It’s a simple answer. And that answer is me…and Joe and Joan Taxpayer.
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“[P]aying for all the illegals” is a pretty vague statement, but OK.

You’ve posted some articles asserting that illegal immigrants incur health care costs, which is undoubtedly true. The articles, however, make a number of somewhat unsubstantiated assertions (which the author admits, when he uses terms like “arguably”). It also fails to take into account the fact that illegal immigrants generally pay taxes (and also generally cannot claim refunds), so that they are funding Medicaid and other programs.

But that said, OK, I’ll accept that there is a cost. There are other costs, too – I do believe that employer exploitation of illegal immigrants will depress wages for legal workers, for example. See? I absolutely am open to discussing the cost to American of illegal immigration.

But still, you haven’t provided an answer to my original question, which was what percentage of your taxes goes to the support of Honduran immigrants?
 
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